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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 22:03:26 GMT
I won't as there is no chance I'll be standing based on my demands! Thats not why you stand though, right? 'Demands' is just noise and unlikely to create any catalyst for change. You stand for change for the better, to help all us Hereford fans secure more say in our future surely? Seriously mate, the energy you expend on this forum and the past one on this topic is energy that could be used in a positive manner. You come across as a hater of HFC, rather than someone who could use their intelligence to help HFC fans. I don't get why you are so against representing us and pushing change for the better of all us fans. We all know beating on the forum drum does little to effect change, it just creates a little noise here and there. Look, I'm not going to stand. The reason I responded as I did is because I was asked about it. But to be fair, I honestly would stand if I could see that there was going to be a clear change of direction. I am not the man to attempt to change the direction on my own, especially as it appears many do not even think a change is necessary. |
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Post by Southwestbull on Aug 24, 2015 22:05:05 GMT
Maybe you should ask how some of the 6 HUST board members who recently resigned feel about the balance within the HUST board room? Personally, I think if nobody is going to stand down then a vote of no confidence would be best displayed by fans not renewing membership. Not sure a boycott would be productive in this case. Surely better to be on the inside looking out than outside looking in? Is it ? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 22:04:57 GMT
Some talk the talk some walk the walk. Before anyone asks I do neither. Is that because you can't or because you choose not to? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 22:11:12 GMT
Some talk the talk some walk the walk. Before anyone asks I do neither. Is that because you can't or because you choose not to? Good question, I'll get back to you on that one. |
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Post by 2kilts28 on Aug 24, 2015 22:12:08 GMT
Thats not why you stand though, right? 'Demands' is just noise and unlikely to create any catalyst for change. You stand for change for the better, to help all us Hereford fans secure more say in our future surely? Seriously mate, the energy you expend on this forum and the past one on this topic is energy that could be used in a positive manner. You come across as a hater of HFC, rather than someone who could use their intelligence to help HFC fans. I don't get why you are so against representing us and pushing change for the better of all us fans. We all know beating on the forum drum does little to effect change, it just creates a little noise here and there. Look, I'm not going to stand. The reason I responded as I did is because I was asked about it. But to be fair, I honestly would stand if I could see that there was going to be a clear change of direction. I am not the man to attempt to change the direction on my own, especially as it appears many do not even think a change is necessary. So whats your end game then? I don't get it. You are passionate about these changes and the need for change, but chicken and the egg it seems. You would not be on your own, You would have several if not dozens on here who would support you. I'm overseas but would support financially as needed or in other ways. Clearly there needs to be some pressure, questions/challenges put to HUST so we maintain some equilibrium. Think of it this way, you posted around 150 messages on this subject in about 12 hours of active posting, just imagine if that had been 150 e-mails written to the parties in question? You write eloquently enough. I think we all would agree that you would have received some kind of reply and helped highlight the cause. Banging on your drum anti-HFC every day, on the same subject on here just seems to me to show ill intent than positive intent for the greater good of the club. Just think that your energy and passion could be put to better use and you would have my full support in any way you need. Im sure others would also be behind this. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 22:18:16 GMT
Look, I'm not going to stand. The reason I responded as I did is because I was asked about it. But to be fair, I honestly would stand if I could see that there was going to be a clear change of direction. I am not the man to attempt to change the direction on my own, especially as it appears many do not even think a change is necessary. So whats your end game then? I don't get it. You are passionate about these changes and the need for change, but chicken and the egg it seems. You would not be on your own, You would have several if not dozens on here who would support you. I'm overseas but would support financially as needed or in other ways. Clearly there needs to be some pressure, questions/challenges put to HUST so we maintain some equilibrium. Think of it this way, you posted around 150 messages on this subject in about 12 hours of active posting, just imagine if that had been 150 e-mails written to the parties in question? You write eloquently enough. I think we all would agree that you would have received some kind of reply and helped highlight the cause. Banging on your drum anti-HFC every day, on the same subject on here just seems to me to show ill intent than positive intent for the greater good of the club. Just think that your energy and passion could be put to better use and you would have my full support in any way you need. Im sure others would also be behind this. I stopped trying to get answers from HUST/HFC a while ago as I gained very little from the very few responses I received. Sadly, there is no point. I genuinely believe that there is no point. I'll try again once the personnel change. |
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Post by somnambulist on Aug 24, 2015 22:18:52 GMT
I will be renewing my membership without a second thought. There's absolutely no point complaining about HUST if you're not a member. HUST isn't defined by Martin Watson and Chris Williams (some would say it's the antithesis of what those two stand for).
I will even second Grayham's nomination if he has trouble finding support. There's no doubt he's been complicit in undermining fan involvement so far, but I'm an optimist and he seems to want to hold people to account now (albeit six months too late).
Of course at this point real influence will only come with a change to the constitution and I can't imagine HFC agreeing to that – at least until they next need our money.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 22:20:11 GMT
If we could succeed in getting both murray and Grayham onto the HUST board, I'd start my own campaign just in order to be able to watch the board meetings!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 22:22:01 GMT
Look, I'm not going to stand. The reason I responded as I did is because I was asked about it. But to be fair, I honestly would stand if I could see that there was going to be a clear change of direction. I am not the man to attempt to change the direction on my own, especially as it appears many do not even think a change is necessary. Coward. And you call me thick. Surely to change direction you have to be in a position of influence. My "manifesto" from before regarding HFC, and what I've said for a long time since reading the A's, is that 1. When HUST have 50% of the shares, the board is changed to 8 members,4-4 split, the chairman coming from HUST, and 2. The 4 non hust directors have no veto over the HUST appointed directors. Regarding the HUST constitution, I would ensure it is written somewhere that before major decisions are taken, the entire membership is balloted. After your complete misunderstanding of what some fans were asking HUST in January/February/March and your ridiculous spamming of otherwise sensible threads with photos of bloody onions, I highly recommend that nobody votes for you. It would be a vote for arrogance, ignorance and stupidity. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 22:26:20 GMT
Just renewed my membership! From what I can tell they're doing a fine job despite all the accusations. This is a genuine question not a dig, but can I ask what it is exactly that they're doing so well? Looking at twitter, they don't seem to have come out with anything since July the 13th, about their lottery, the rest is just re-tweets of HFC stuff. I would imagine the workload when it comes to memberships and renewals isn't quite as intense as it once was, sadly. |
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Post by willi on Aug 24, 2015 22:27:34 GMT
Look, I'm not going to stand. The reason I responded as I did is because I was asked about it. But to be fair, I honestly would stand if I could see that there was going to be a clear change of direction. I am not the man to attempt to change the direction on my own, especially as it appears many do not even think a change is necessary. Coward. And you call me thick. Surely to change direction you have to be in a position of influence. My "manifesto" from before regarding HFC, and what I've said for a long time since reading the A's, is that 1. When HUST have 50% of the shares, the board is changed to 8 members,4-4 split, the chairman coming from HUST, and 2. The 4 non hust directors have no veto over the HUST appointed directors. Regarding the HUST constitution, I would ensure it is written somewhere that before major decisions are taken, the entire membership is balloted but before the meeting at the welsh club you insinuated that you would shout down any question that challenged HALE/ HUST |
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Post by 2kilts28 on Aug 24, 2015 22:28:40 GMT
I had an old boss who if you complained too much about a specific department you'd inevitably end up in that department. Was effective in its own way, but my point is in total agreement of the various statements on this page, the energy expended on here and BB by just a few people would be a mighty tide to ensure the pen remains mightier than the sword.
I will be over for the Shepshed Dynamo game and Ill do my bit and e-mail the various HUST members for a quick 10 minute chat over a beer, before or after the game to I can ask some questions. Can I officially call myself Chairman of The Expats, or would that get me into mischief?
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Post by somnambulist on Aug 24, 2015 22:28:46 GMT
Coward. And you call me thick. Surely to change direction you have to be in a position of influence. My "manifesto" from before regarding HFC, and what I've said for a long time since reading the A's, is that 1. When HUST have 50% of the shares, the board is changed to 8 members,4-4 split, the chairman coming from HUST, and 2. The 4 non hust directors have no veto over the HUST appointed directors. Regarding the HUST constitution, I would ensure it is written somewhere that before major decisions are taken, the entire membership is balloted. After your complete misunderstanding of what some fans were asking HUST in January/February/March and your ridiculous spamming of otherwise sensible threads with photos of bloody onions, I highly recommend that nobody votes for you. It would be a vote for arrogance, ignorance and stupidity.The last one of those got 97% majority. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 22:29:06 GMT
Coward. And you call me thick. Surely to change direction you have to be in a position of influence. My "manifesto" from before regarding HFC, and what I've said for a long time since reading the A's, is that 1. When HUST have 50% of the shares, the board is changed to 8 members,4-4 split, the chairman coming from HUST, and 2. The 4 non hust directors have no veto over the HUST appointed directors. Regarding the HUST constitution, I would ensure it is written somewhere that before major decisions are taken, the entire membership is balloted but before the meeting at the welsh club you insinuated that you would shout down any question that challenged HALE/ HUST Yes, and keep shouting as the voice of the 'dissenters' were not worth anything. Some 'fan power' candidate, eh? He'll fit right in. |
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Post by 2kilts28 on Aug 24, 2015 22:34:26 GMT
After your complete misunderstanding of what some fans were asking HUST in January/February/March and your ridiculous spamming of otherwise sensible threads with photos of bloody onions, I highly recommend that nobody votes for you. It would be a vote for arrogance, ignorance and stupidity.The last one of those got 97% majority. Seriously Somnambull, would you vote against this to this day, if you could wind the clock back? I stand by the 97% vote because at least we have something in place, better than Keyte and better than crooks. I just see folks like Murray spending hours upon hours fighting points online (many valid ones) and I think we need to rally a strengthening of this energy and 'keyboard action' pointed in the right direction. If I don't see any change or action then I suspect other motives from certain posters. Is that unreasonable? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 22:47:53 GMT
I will be renewing my membership without a second thought. There's absolutely no point complaining about HUST if you're not a member. HUST isn't defined by Martin Watson and Chris Williams (some would say it's the antithesis of what those two stand for). I will even second Grayham's nomination if he has trouble finding support. There's no doubt he's been complicit in undermining fan involvement so far, but I'm an optimist and he seems to want to hold people to account now (albeit six months too late). Of course at this point real influence will only come with a change to the constitution and I can't imagine HFC agreeing to that – at least until they next need our money. I've not undermined any fan involvement as no one has actually suggested anything to get involved in, apart from a few wanting to read the articles prior to them being released. I wasn't against that. I'm not holding anyone to account. The set up we have at the moment is fine and fair, as the money and time to set up HFC has come initially from 3 loyal fans with the best interests of the club at heart, not theirs. We would not be having a football team to discuss or a 5000 capacity stadium if it wasn't for them. But when we match their investment, that all changes. And only when we match it, because then we will have shown them that we the fans want a successful club too, just like them, and it is no longer their exclusive little toy as such to have the final say. And in 3 years, when I'd propose this change happens, hopefully the more sensible " banterers" will step up to the oche. No good us having 4 seats, ie, running the club, if we have no one coming forward to actually run it. a) if you were never against the idea of seeing the A of As, why did you spend every waking hour shouting down those who wanted to see a draft copy of them? 2) don't you think it would've been better if your ingenious idea of HUST having equal power (once shares have been purchased) was stated within the original A of As, rather than waiting until after the horse had bolted? iii) do you not feel that it is this castration of power which is the precise reason why nobody is stepping forward for the HUST board roles? Well, that and the mind bending process which is in place that allows the 'Class A' shareholders of HFC to choose the clubs HUST representatives rather than the HUST members themselves. Crazy |
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Post by somnambulist on Aug 24, 2015 22:53:12 GMT
The last one of those got 97% majority. Seriously Somnambull, would you vote against this to this day, if you could wind the clock back? I stand by the 97% vote because at least we have something in place, better than Keyte and better than crooks. I just see folks like Murray spending hours upon hours fighting points online (many valid ones) and I think we need to rally a strengthening of this energy and 'keyboard action' pointed in the right direction. If I don't see any change or action then I suspect other motives from certain posters. Is that unreasonable? I voted against it. I can understand why many fans bought into the narrative HFC/HUST was peddling. Our amazing fans had gone through a year of sacrifice; they just wanted football at any cost. HUST didn't once leverage its support base to get a better deal for those fans. They didn't much care to be honest. We could have done so much better. |
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Post by 2kilts28 on Aug 24, 2015 22:54:35 GMT
I've not undermined any fan involvement as no one has actually suggested anything to get involved in, apart from a few wanting to read the articles prior to them being released. I wasn't against that. I'm not holding anyone to account. The set up we have at the moment is fine and fair, as the money and time to set up HFC has come initially from 3 loyal fans with the best interests of the club at heart, not theirs. We would not be having a football team to discuss or a 5000 capacity stadium if it wasn't for them. But when we match their investment, that all changes. And only when we match it, because then we will have shown them that we the fans want a successful club too, just like them, and it is no longer their exclusive little toy as such to have the final say. And in 3 years, when I'd propose this change happens, hopefully the more sensible " banterers" will step up to the oche. No good us having 4 seats, ie, running the club, if we have no one coming forward to actually run it. a) if you were never against the idea of seeing the A of As, why did you spend every waking hour shouting down those who wanted to see a draft of copy of them? 2) don't you think it would've been better if your ingenious idea of HUST having equal power (once shares have been purchased) was stated within the original A of As, rather than waiting until the horse had bolted? iii) do you not feel that it this castration of power which is the precise reason why nobody is stepping forward for the HUST board roles? Well, that and the mind bending process which is in place that allows the 'Class A' shareholders of HFC to choose the clubs HUST representatives rather than the HUST members themselves. Crazy I didn't see him shouting people down that much, in fact I would say he was simply the opposite of you in terms of passion in providing an alternate view. For every point you stated attacking the AofA he would pop up with the completely counter argument/viewpoint. Yes, he was an argumentative sod but 'pot kettle' surely? Now back to you and Graham running for office.....you both want whats best for Hereford, two sandpits or one? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 22:54:46 GMT
I had an old boss who if you complained too much about a specific department you'd inevitably end up in that department. Was effective in its own way, but my point is in total agreement of the various statements on this page, the energy expended on here and BB by just a few people would be a mighty tide to ensure the pen remains mightier than the sword. I will be over for the Shepshed Dynamo game and Ill do my bit and e-mail the various HUST members for a quick 10 minute chat over a beer, before or after the game to I can ask some questions. Can I officially call myself Chairman of The Expats, or would that get me into mischief? If you want to be chairman of the expats you'll need to go through the voting process. If I were to vote for you I'd expect an official weekly newsletter, some pin badges designed by that fella and his two sons who made the official HFC badge and hefty discounts with airlines when travelling to a match. Oh, and a couple of free pints and a round of cheese sandwiches on arrival at Addisons. |
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Post by somnambulist on Aug 24, 2015 22:55:37 GMT
I've not undermined any fan involvement as no one has actually suggested anything to get involved in, apart from a few wanting to read the articles prior to them being released. I wasn't against that. I'm not holding anyone to account. The set up we have at the moment is fine and fair, as the money and time to set up HFC has come initially from 3 loyal fans with the best interests of the club at heart, not theirs. We would not be having a football team to discuss or a 5000 capacity stadium if it wasn't for them. But when we match their investment, that all changes. And only when we match it, because then we will have shown them that we the fans want a successful club too, just like them, and it is no longer their exclusive little toy as such to have the final say. And in 3 years, when I'd propose this change happens, hopefully the more sensible " banterers" will step up to the oche. No good us having 4 seats, ie, running the club, if we have no one coming forward to actually run it. a) if you were never against the idea of seeing the A of As, why did you spend every waking hour shouting down those who wanted to see a draft copy of them? 2) don't you think it would've been better if your ingenious idea of HUST having equal power (once shares have been purchased) was stated within the original A of As, rather than waiting until after the horse had bolted? iii) do you not feel that it is this castration of power which is the precise reason why nobody is stepping forward for the HUST board roles? Well, that and the mind bending process which is in place that allows the 'Class A' shareholders of HFC to choose the clubs HUST representatives rather than the HUST members themselves. Crazy Absolutely on point, Murray. |
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