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Post by Fownhope Bull on Aug 22, 2015 10:38:46 GMT
Because someone suggested it needed its own thread.
Can anyone persuade me as to why I should renew my HUST membership?
Are HUST going to become another HUISA? |
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Post by Percy on Aug 22, 2015 11:32:24 GMT
Don't think I'll be renewing
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Post by bullish on Aug 22, 2015 11:39:30 GMT
can members attend the AGM without renewing? Is the AGM the start or end of the membership year?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 11:50:27 GMT
I'm interested to know if some of the faces who resigned/left HUST over recent months would go back if changes occurred?
Is it a question of the opportunity needing to be there to completely revitalise the organisation in order to find the people to do it, as nobody really wants to have to hang around with Chris Williams or have Munsley keep a file on their activities?
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Post by oldmeadowender on Aug 22, 2015 11:55:05 GMT
"Are HUST going to become another HUISA?" Supporters' groups are what supporters make them. HUISA started out with teeth and independence but people quickly made it clear they wanted to brown-nose the club instead. It is an easy trap to fall into because we all get involved in these things because we love the club. But to be healthy any club needs a truly independent supporters' voice. I've no idea whether HUST started out with an agenda but it did a great job as part of the movement to oust the previous regime. Unfortunately now it is so obviously not independent and so clearly not giving the supporters a meaningful say, that it lacks credibility. So for the good of Hereford FC, you probably need a new supporters' organisation run by a new group of people. And no I'm not volunteering. Been there, done that and nearly got blood on the T-shirt!
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Post by Fireman Sam on Aug 22, 2015 12:23:31 GMT
HUISA disbanded at a time when there was an awful lots of things happening at once so my memory of the exact details are very sketchy.
I seem to remember that the meeting where it was decided to close got very heated.
After all that has gone on this week I'm sat here now asking the following
Whilst I agree HUISA had lost the independent part of their name (it became little more than a fundraising arm of the club) was pressure put on to disband HUISA because it cleared the way for HUST to be the main focal point for fans? Thus removing any rallying point for people in the future?
Secondly had HUISA remained in existence how would that have fitted into the current share issue and board places?
I might be way wide of the mark here and all of the controversy this week has got my mind spinning to much..... But it would fit the power and control model that now seems to be emerging.
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Post by eggchaserbull on Aug 22, 2015 13:34:41 GMT
can members attend the AGM without renewing? Is the AGM the start or end of the membership year?
From a HUST email dated 27th July, "Existing personal memberships are valid up to the AGM on September 17th"
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Post by bullish on Aug 22, 2015 13:50:08 GMT
can members attend the AGM without renewing? Is the AGM the start or end of the membership year?
From a HUST email dated 27th July, "Existing personal memberships are valid up to the AGM on September 17th"
thanks eggchaser. do we take that to mean up to, but not including? |
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Post by oldmeadowender on Aug 22, 2015 13:56:33 GMT
Other people will be able to answer that better than me, Fireman Sam, I would imagine that, even if pressure was not put on HUISA to disband, they would have felt an unspoken pressure to disband to allow HUST to be the main focal point for the fans, as you say.
HUISA had probably run its course, it makes a mockery of any "Independent" in an organisation's name when you join a club board.
So IMHO the lessons to be taken into the future from all this are:
1/ Fans groups should either own and run the club or be independent. You cannot have fans groups kind of running a club, a bit, but with no real power.
2/ Representatives of fans groups need to be more closely accountable to fans because if they start to run the club at the same time as running a fans' organisation they start to think they can do what they want.
3/ We need to be careful that when we have put our house in order we still have a club to love, here. People who have worked hard to set up the new club should not have their achievements trashed, even if it emerges they have overstepped the mark.
4/ We all love the club, we have all (or many of us) lost our heads a bit trying to fight for what we personally think is best for the club. We need to do what is really best for the club, regardless of personality clashes or alleged misconduct, because we need to support improve the team to oversee and enjoy its rise through the divisions.
And so to kick-off time!
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Post by eggchaserbull on Aug 22, 2015 14:03:47 GMT
Because someone suggested it needed its own thread.
Can anyone persuade me as to why I should renew my HUST membership?
Are HUST going to become another HUISA?
With all the questions being asked, on this forum, about possible deceptions allegedly carried out by HUST representatives, surely now, more than ever, is a time to renew.*
Also, it is imperative, for all who have misgivings about anything to do with HUST or HFC, to attend the AGM to question the HUST board about said allegations. If the membership is not happy with the answers, then it is in their power, if they can be arsed, to elect new personnel to the Board, and hence to the Board of HFC. The reaction of the rest of the HFC Board to the new, and supposedly more vociferous and questioning, Board members would be an indicator of their true intentions.
If they accepted them, then all well and good: If they exercised their right to veto their positions on the Board then suspicions would well and truly be aroused.
Note to Andy Munsley: Just in case you get the keys to Admin on this forum, please be assured that I am airing this view from on top of this fence.
* It would probably be prudent to wait until the feeling of the AGM is known before renewing. If it is just a damp squib of a meeting, and no other candidates for HUST Board positions come forward, then it may be that HUST does become another HUISA, and, regardless of how many shares HUST eventually acquire, HFC becomes the exclusive domain of the former VP clique.
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Post by bullish on Aug 22, 2015 14:08:39 GMT
Because someone suggested it needed its own thread.
Can anyone persuade me as to why I should renew my HUST membership?
Are HUST going to become another HUISA?
With all the questions being asked, on this forum, about possible deceptions allegedly carried out by HUST representatives, surely now, more than ever, is a time to renew.*
Also, it is imperative, for all who have misgivings about anything to do with HUST or HFC, to attend the AGM to question the HUST board about said allegations. If the membership is not happy with the answers, then it is in their power, if they can be arsed, to elect new personnel to the Board, and hence to the Board of HFC. The reaction of the rest of the HFC Board to the new, and supposedly more vociferous and questioning, Board members would be an indicator of their true intentions.
If they accepted them, then all well and good: If they exercised their right to veto their positions on the Board then suspicions would well and truly be aroused.
Note to Andy Munsley: Just in case you get the keys to Admin on this forum, please be assured that I am airing this view from on top of this fence.
* It would probably be prudent to wait until the feeling of the AGM is known before renewing. If it is just a damp squib of a meeting, and no other candidates for HUST Board positions come forward, then it may be that HUST does become another HUISA, and, regardless of how many shares HUST eventually acquire, HFC becomes the exclusive domain of the former VP clique.
that bit unfortuately is far from clear. the AofA appear to give a veto to HFC over any HUST nominees for the HFC board. nobody has clarified this situation definitively yet as far as i am aware. |
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Post by eggchaserbull on Aug 22, 2015 14:09:04 GMT
From a HUST email dated 27th July, "Existing personal memberships are valid up to the AGM on September 17th"
thanks eggchaser. do we take that to mean up to, but not including? I take that to mean including the meeting. I think the majority of HUST members joined after last year's AGM. I'd be totally peed off if I joined an organisation, but then had to pay again to attend the AGM. It doesn't help to persuade many to remain members. |
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Post by eggchaserbull on Aug 22, 2015 14:11:50 GMT
With all the questions being asked, on this forum, about possible deceptions allegedly carried out by HUST representatives, surely now, more than ever, is a time to renew.*
Also, it is imperative, for all who have misgivings about anything to do with HUST or HFC, to attend the AGM to question the HUST board about said allegations. If the membership is not happy with the answers, then it is in their power, if they can be arsed, to elect new personnel to the Board, and hence to the Board of HFC. The reaction of the rest of the HFC Board to the new, and supposedly more vociferous and questioning, Board members would be an indicator of their true intentions.
If they accepted them, then all well and good: If they exercised their right to veto their positions on the Board then suspicions would well and truly be aroused.
Note to Andy Munsley: Just in case you get the keys to Admin on this forum, please be assured that I am airing this view from on top of this fence.
* It would probably be prudent to wait until the feeling of the AGM is known before renewing. If it is just a damp squib of a meeting, and no other candidates for HUST Board positions come forward, then it may be that HUST does become another HUISA, and, regardless of how many shares HUST eventually acquire, HFC becomes the exclusive domain of the former VP clique.
that bit unfortuately is far from clear. the AofA appear to give a veto to HFC over any HUST nominees for the HFC board. nobody has clarified this situation definitively yet as far as i am aware.
That's why I mentioned it, later, in my post 
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Post by bullish on Aug 22, 2015 14:55:37 GMT
that bit unfortuately is far from clear. the AofA appear to give a veto to HFC over any HUST nominees for the HFC board. nobody has clarified this situation definitively yet as far as i am aware.
That's why I mentioned it, later, in my post
fair play. i was bit hasty there. not used to dealing with people who have read the small print  |
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Post by wrongguyguv on Aug 24, 2015 20:23:05 GMT
Scenario - Chris Williams Chair HUST and Martin Watson Vice Chair HUST stand down at forthcoming AGM citing workload whilst performing roles with HFC.
Lack of nominees for vacancies in HUST.
Demise of HUST due to members' apathy and deemed nothing to do with HFC Board of Directors. Result HFC ownership lies fully with benefactors and task is complete.
A likely scenario? Discuss urgently!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 20:27:07 GMT
That's all that seems to happen is discuss
Nobody seems prepared to get stuck in and try and change the direction in which hust is going.
Everyone must be happy with it I suppose.
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Post by jc on Aug 24, 2015 20:27:50 GMT
Sorry to be playing catch up here, but I was under the impression that CW and MW only have there seats on the HFC board as a result of their positions on the HUST board, if that is the case, wouldn't their stepping off the HUST board also require them to step down from HFC ipso facto?
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Post by oldmeadowender on Aug 24, 2015 20:29:30 GMT
To answer the central question succinctly...not a lot. (And no I never was a fan of Paul Daniels)...
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Post by HamptonParkBull on Aug 24, 2015 20:35:23 GMT
Scenario - Chris Williams Chair HUST and Martin Watson Vice Chair HUST stand down at forthcoming AGM citing workload whilst performing roles with HFC. Lack of nominees for vacancies in HUST. Demise of HUST due to members' apathy and deemed nothing to do with HFC Board of Directors. Result HFC ownership lies fully with benefactors and task is complete. A likely scenario? Discuss urgently! So to stop this "scenario" don't let apathy get in the way. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 20:39:03 GMT
Sorry to be playing catch up here, but I was under the impression that CW and MW only have there seats on the HFC board as a result of their positions on the HUST board, if that is the case, wouldn't their stepping off the HUST board also require them to step down from HFC ipso facto? Isn't this one of the scenarios that we hoped the AofAs would clarify? And, isn't it now the hope that a rejuvenated and reorganised H(U)ST with a shiny new constitution might take steps to address it? It is a very important point, particularly if, for whatever reason, the HUST membership were to loose faith in either incumbent at any time. |
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