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Post by amiabull on Feb 8, 2024 14:00:27 GMT
I am in favour of reverting to Hereford United.
If you wish to claim the rich history of United, then we can’t ignore the name. You can’t have one without the other.
Whether they love them or loath them, most followers of football have heard of Hereford United, courtesy of Ronnie Radford and the BBC. Very few supporters of league teams have heard of Hereford FC.
If we turn our back on Hereford United we are turning our back on a rich pedigree. QPR 6-1, Millwall 1-0, Northampton town two years running, Newcastle 2-1 (after 2-2 at St James’ Park), West Ham 2-1 (after 1-1 at Upton Park); Charlie Thompson; Masters, Niblett, Horton; Ronnie Clayton; John Charles; Albert Derrick; Ron Fogg; Alan Rodgerson; Dudley Tyler; Steve Davey; Dixie McNeil,……
If you don’t remember all these games and players, spare a thought for those who do.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2024 14:45:43 GMT
What like? Perhaps the very foundation of your club which was set up by your lads (inc Muno) prior to the death of United? Or the men in black style owners who weren't revealed until the anti-fan AoA was published? The second class shares for fans which hold no power? Or the owners rejecting a HUST board member? Or the owners rejecting an equal share on the board despite HUST having put in significantly more money than the owners ever did? I thought your principles were firmly against these kind of things? United has gone. Just get on with supporting your team. So when was Hereford United some sort of utopian supporter owned democracy? Yes, the model is shit, but is the traditional way with one (hopefully) benevolent owner any better? It is if you're Wrexham (this year), but not if you're Reading (but it was great a few years back when someone else's dough bankrolled a few seasons in the Prem). Obviously a major difference is in the way HFC came about and the fact that the model was sold to fans with REDACTED all over it. It's a moral issue and there's no point in me trying to convince you if you think such things are fine.
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Post by Gulliver on Feb 8, 2024 16:08:56 GMT
Of course your opinion must be respected, as with others who think likewise. But surely Hereford United died in December 2014 and, unless you believe in reincarnation, this is indeed a new club. Just as we remember and honour the dead of two world wars and other conflicts, I see no reason why we cannot cherish the memory and history of the old club. Telling me I'm "surely" wrong doesn't feel much like respect to me. But unwittingly you've hit upon the perfect metaphor. HUFC was indeed reincarnated. Thanks. Where did I say you were wrong? To me, and those who carried a coffin around to prove the point, Hereford United died all those years ago and yes I 'unwittingly' used the wrong word, having meant to say resurrection! Regardless, I now support Hereford FC, but it doesn't bother me if people want to call it United or still think of it as United if it keeps them happy. However, to incur substantial cost to simply change a name is, in my opinion, (note: in my opinion!) is ludicrous.
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Feb 8, 2024 16:13:23 GMT
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Post by tigerfeet on Feb 8, 2024 16:13:23 GMT
Telling me I'm "surely" wrong doesn't feel much like respect to me. But unwittingly you've hit upon the perfect metaphor. HUFC was indeed reincarnated. Thanks. Where did I say you were wrong? To me, and those who carried a coffin around to prove the point, Hereford United died all those years ago and yes I 'unwittingly' used the wrong word, having meant to say resurrection! Regardless, I now support Hereford FC, but it doesn't bother me if people want to call it United or still think of it as United if it keeps them happy. However, to incur substantial cost to simply change a name is, in my opinion, (note: in my opinion!) is ludicrous. What substantial costs? According to the government site changing a company name costs as little as £18. I'm sure we can stretch to that! www.gov.uk/make-changes-to-your-limited-company/company-name
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Post by Barney still in B-Block on Feb 8, 2024 16:18:51 GMT
I can't see the lanyards allowing a name change, but, it would be wrong to dismiss the debate as mere semantics. It clearly means a lot to some folk on both sides of the fence, but whatever the club is called, I agree with Som. Same ground, same kit, same fans, and even for a while, some same players. Also, being fair to the current board, they're excellent at recognising and acknowledging the best of HUFC's history - I don't think they look upon HFC as a totally different entity. Looking around ES and the occasional awayday, I see a lot of faces who've been around forever, but very encouraged to see so many new ones enjoying themselves. Obviously having a product that is working helps, but in terms of numbers and noise, there are many periods when HUFC would have been delighted with, and taken in a heartbeat what's happening on the pitch right now*. Long may it last, recognising that it's football, and it's Hereford, so it probably won't. Bottom line - I won't be losing any sleep on what it says on the docs at Companies House, as long as I'm still allowed to sit in B Block and bellow 'Come on United'. *Acknowledging that it is still, at least one tier below that at which HUFC existed since I was a nipper. *Really? My story. Sticking to it. Whatever evidence there is to the contrary.
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Post by somnambulist on Feb 8, 2024 16:21:38 GMT
Where did I say you were wrong? To me, and those who carried a coffin around to prove the point, Hereford United died all those years ago and yes I 'unwittingly' used the wrong word, having meant to say resurrection! Regardless, I now support Hereford FC, but it doesn't bother me if people want to call it United or still think of it as United if it keeps them happy. However, to incur substantial cost to simply change a name is, in my opinion, (note: in my opinion!) is ludicrous. What substantial costs? According to the government site changing a company name costs as little as £18. I'm sure we can stretch to that! www.gov.uk/make-changes-to-your-limited-company/company-nameWe'll need letter headed paper. Vista Print do it for £10.98. Put me down for a fiver.
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Post by Gulliver on Feb 8, 2024 16:28:39 GMT
But, and I'm no expert on the subject, it's not quite as simple as that is it? To change the name only is one thing but in this case, as previously stated, would surely mean changing so much more. At what cost I don't know other than what has been suggested, which may have been exaggerated but presumably more than £18.
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Post by somnambulist on Feb 8, 2024 16:31:01 GMT
But, and I'm no expert on the subject, it's not quite as simple as that is it? To change the name only is one thing but in this case, as previously stated, would surely mean changing so much more. At what cost I don't know other than what has been suggested, which may have been exaggerated but presumably more than £18. Alright, I'll bung in a tenner. Anyone else?
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Post by Barney still in B-Block on Feb 8, 2024 16:31:45 GMT
The season in the Southern League Div 1 (1963/64?) must have been before his nipperage. No comment.
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Post by Gulliver on Feb 8, 2024 16:35:06 GMT
But, and I'm no expert on the subject, it's not quite as simple as that is it? To change the name only is one thing but in this case, as previously stated, would surely mean changing so much more. At what cost I don't know other than what has been suggested, which may have been exaggerated but presumably more than £18. Alright, I'll bung in a tenner. Anyone else? That's generous, we'll leave you to arrange it all as it's all so easy and cheap.
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Post by greekgod on Feb 8, 2024 16:38:18 GMT
Anybody got a black sharpie and can add in a U on a few items in the shop.
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Post by somnambulist on Feb 8, 2024 16:42:54 GMT
Anybody got a black sharpie and can add in a U on a few items in the shop. Black sharpie £9.98 Viking Direct.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2024 16:44:29 GMT
But, and I'm no expert on the subject, it's not quite as simple as that is it? To change the name only is one thing but in this case, as previously stated, would surely mean changing so much more. At what cost I don't know other than what has been suggested, which may have been exaggerated but presumably more than £18. Alright, I'll bung in a tenner. Anyone else? Hark at the Champagne Socialist chucking the cash about like confetti to re-write history! As long as it tells the right story, eh?!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2024 16:45:46 GMT
Anybody got a black sharpie and can add in a U on a few items in the shop. Black sharpie £9.98 Viking Direct. We haven't thought this through. The unintended consequences of MT getting control of the Sharpie's is unthinkable.
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Post by Gulliver on Feb 8, 2024 16:46:28 GMT
Anybody got a black sharpie and can add in a U on a few items in the shop. Black sharpie £9.98 Viking Direct. See...I knew you could do it!
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Post by somnambulist on Feb 8, 2024 16:51:13 GMT
Alright, I'll bung in a tenner. Anyone else? Hark at the Champagne Socialist chucking the cash about like confetti to re-write history! As long as it tells the right story, eh?! Abstemious socialist if you don't mind. You should know those details if you're keeping a file on me!
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Post by colebridgebull on Feb 8, 2024 16:51:21 GMT
Where did I say you were wrong? To me, and those who carried a coffin around to prove the point, Hereford United died all those years ago and yes I 'unwittingly' used the wrong word, having meant to say resurrection! Regardless, I now support Hereford FC, but it doesn't bother me if people want to call it United or still think of it as United if it keeps them happy. However, to incur substantial cost to simply change a name is, in my opinion, (note: in my opinion!) is ludicrous. What substantial costs? According to the government site changing a company name costs as little as £18. I'm sure we can stretch to that! www.gov.uk/make-changes-to-your-limited-company/company-nameIf you confirm that you will personally cover all the costs involved, it’s a “yes” from me.
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Post by sortitoutwebbbull on Feb 8, 2024 17:25:14 GMT
If you confirm that you will personally cover all the costs involved, it’s a “yes” from me. What about all the creditors of the old Hereford United would they need to be paid off first?
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Post by tigerfeet on Feb 8, 2024 18:01:36 GMT
If you confirm that you will personally cover all the costs involved, it’s a “yes” from me. What about all the creditors of the old Hereford United would they need to be paid off first? Haven't you read the whole thread? I pointed out earlier that it was "Hereford United 1939 Ltd" that was wound up, so changing our name back to Hereford United would not mean we would be liable for the debts of "Hereford United 1939 Ltd". Do we have any legal experts on this forum who could confirm this? 😀
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Post by mikeunderpenyard on Feb 8, 2024 19:58:20 GMT
I heard earlier that Mr Blandford is no longer involved with the club.
Has anyone else heard similar?
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