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Post by cebull1965 on Jan 3, 2024 23:23:05 GMT
All good stuff but there are some other factors to consider. Judging by history we could expect anything built to need to last 50 years at a guess? Will the ME and LW be serviceable during that time or will there be replacements there and constructed capacities for a time? Stadiums built in the 1990’s have suffered from reducing capacities too as new regulations are applied. Finally what will Hereford and Herefordshire’s population be like during that period? Static, growing, will any extras become ES regulars? It all needs careful thought as finance is bound to play a part. As pointed out earlier let’s hope that the better view from Waitrose won’t be considered to be achieved at the end of the demolition phase!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2024 6:13:26 GMT
Whilst the club is not entering this from a position of strength, which has been done to death, and HC is not an extention of HFC, once whatever it is that is built/committed to behind the stand - what is left moving forward is us.
Getting that line between the football and the new neighbours back as far as possible would be ideal, although how the stand element would be funded without a decent development would be interesting.
I remember being a bit gutted when the post lease negotiation plans of the ends came out during the dying days of HUFC. Thinking, well that is us, we will never be anything more than a 6/7000 capacity stadium. Fine obviously, but the kid in you has dreams of your club doing a 1970s part 2.
You only have to look at Brentfords old away end, that would go on to haunt them. That used to be a massive terrace. At a higher level Chelsea. At the time they didn't see the need for a big Shed End and built a hotel complex behind (I believe they had planning for a larger stand at the time even though the access to the stadium is woeful). Anyway things change and they regret it. Worth pointing out that they were both skint at the time these decisions were made, as we were in 2013 or whenever it was, and I suppose are now.
If we end up with a hemmed in Chester end, that is our forever stand. 6 rows of seats.
It would be good if someone can dig out the Keyte era plans that were mocked up. There weren't any drawings of stands going by memory, just an overlay of what it would look like.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2024 6:38:02 GMT
Thinking about it, the two examples I gave had one thing in common. Proper mental bits of real estate.
Whilst plucky old Edgar Street is pennies by comparison, it isn't next to the scrap yard and sewage treatment works like some old grounds.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2024 7:04:53 GMT
The development bit would surely be affordable housing or student accommodation/lecture theatres? Not that I am an expert btw...
Offices - The modern day need? Parking. Retail - Too much already? Deliveries. Fun places - Cinema/bowling etc? Private dwellings. Parking? Preferably with charging points?
You could make anything right on and green, but people will always want parking surely?
Affordable/student would command less money?
Room for a cheeky club shop somewhere in amongst it would be nice.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2024 9:03:28 GMT
Surely the view from Waitrose will be of 3/4 storey flats?
A single tier tin can the width of the Len Weston will probably be the away end.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2024 9:19:24 GMT
Surely the view from Waitrose will be of 3/4 storey flats? A single tier tin can the width of the Len Weston will probably be the away end. Ben Bowen is gonna love that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2024 9:25:54 GMT
If the tin can is narrow and square to the pitch then there would be ample room to cram in a load of shit flats.
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Post by halesowen1 on Jan 4, 2024 9:27:26 GMT
A gym and leisure facilities would be useful because club could make use of it as well. Slimline stand with seating for away supporters most likely, with catering facilities. Len Weston would become available for total home support. Estimate the capacity of the ground would become 6500. Not likely we would need greater capacity than that for our needs in the expected near future.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2024 9:30:40 GMT
If the tin can is narrow and square to the pitch then there would be ample room to cram in a load of shit flats. I am sure it is 25m+ from wall to wall. I reckon the footway on the roadside would need to be widened a touch. A seat tread is circa 750mm. If you allowed a flat area at the front of 2m to circulate the fans to whatever facilities would be squeezed in if you went bare minimum, then 8 rows of seats would be 8-10m. Leaving plenty of room behind. Speaking of Ben Bowen. He will need somewhere to live.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2024 9:32:53 GMT
A gym and leisure facilities would be useful because club could make use of it as well. Slimline stand with seating for away supporters most likely, with catering facilities. Len Weston would become available for total home support. Estimate the capacity of the ground would become 6500. Not likely we would need greater capacity than that for our needs in the expected near future. The Len Weston would need access to loos and nosh (preferably in a separate room) in that corner??
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2024 9:51:47 GMT
If the tin can is narrow and square to the pitch then there would be ample room to cram in a load of shit flats. I am sure it is 25m+ from wall to wall. I reckon the footway on the roadside would need to be widened a touch. A seat tread is circa 750mm. If you allowed a flat area at the front of 2m to circulate the fans to whatever facilities would be squeezed in if you went bare minimum, then 8 rows of seats would be 8-10m. Leaving plenty of room behind. Speaking of Ben Bowen. He will need somewhere to live. Having just completed some highly skilled Microsoft Paint planning, a shed the width of the Len Weston and fairly standard flats would fit in the space wonderfully. Honestly, that's what I would expect to happen. Making an away end like the Len Weston (or Griffin Park) would be a great idea, to me at least. Unlikely to be justifiable when it's being built for 50 people to use 20 times a year.
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Post by tigerfeet on Jan 4, 2024 11:10:26 GMT
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Post by greekgod on Jan 4, 2024 11:19:42 GMT
If the tin can is narrow and square to the pitch then there would be ample room to cram in a load of shit flats. I am sure it is 25m+ from wall to wall. I reckon the footway on the roadside would need to be widened a touch. A seat tread is circa 750mm. If you allowed a flat area at the front of 2m to circulate the fans to whatever facilities would be squeezed in if you went bare minimum, then 8 rows of seats would be 8-10m. Leaving plenty of room behind. Speaking of Ben Bowen. He will need somewhere to live. Underneath with ramp up to pitch level.
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Post by greekgod on Jan 4, 2024 11:36:16 GMT
The scots have finally disappeared and the welsh are on the march.
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Post by Corporal Ken on Jan 4, 2024 15:41:28 GMT
Why would we need a 1200 all seated stand? When would we ever fill it. And the bigger it is would require extra stewards etc? Surely 800 would be sufficient especially if it's only for way fans. Add 800 to the current 4800 equals 5600. 15% of that is 840. The Meadow End will be on borrowed time by the time any new stand will be built.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2024 19:29:56 GMT
Here is some good old stuff. The previous lease footprints... bullsnews.blogspot.com/2014/10/where-have-car-park-and-starlite-rooms.htmlBob Pritchard running through what he envisaged for the new but reduced ends... bullsnews.blogspot.com/2013/09/development-news-from-bob-pritchard.htmlThere was also another graphic that showed a mock up of the stands on the footprints, but it wasn't anything too detailed, just a bit more user friendly than the lease overlays on the first BN article - can't find it though sorry. If you squint though you can see that the new stands were intended to be in the first 10m behind each goal (the curved flat areas would be a large chunk of that). Go on Organic. If anyone can find it you can! P.S. If you want a mixture of "OMG we have been subjected to some mad stuff" and "Oh I remember that game", go through the BN archive, it is fascinating.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2024 22:48:53 GMT
I think I may have been doing the mock up I mention in the previous post a disservice. It was pretty neat from what I gather.
The sort of graphic you would see at a public exhibition. Splashes of colour and easy to understand.
If it was what we wound up with at the Blackfriars End I think we would be delighted.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2024 23:24:16 GMT
I think it was essentially the Dagenham stand on the previous page.
I think the key to it would be fitting facilities that can serve both the BE and the southern end of the LW in the corner that was the old away "cage". Given space is going to be at a premium, that is going to be a neat trick to pull off whilst maintaining half decent circulation routes and segregation between home and away fans.
I think with the best will in the world whatever we ended up with, the facilities would struggle to cope well when the stand was fullish. Everyone has been in a stand like that.
They could though be a vast improvement on anything that we have now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2024 23:28:05 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2024 23:36:31 GMT
I am sure it is 25m+ from wall to wall. I reckon the footway on the roadside would need to be widened a touch. A seat tread is circa 750mm. If you allowed a flat area at the front of 2m to circulate the fans to whatever facilities would be squeezed in if you went bare minimum, then 8 rows of seats would be 8-10m. Leaving plenty of room behind. Speaking of Ben Bowen. He will need somewhere to live. Having just completed some highly skilled Microsoft Paint planning, a shed the width of the Len Weston and fairly standard flats would fit in the space wonderfully. Honestly, that's what I would expect to happen. Making an away end like the Len Weston (or Griffin Park) would be a great idea, to me at least. Unlikely to be justifiable when it's being built for 50 people to use 20 times a year. The problem with a two tier stand is it would be all access ways to get you to and from facilities/turnstiles/exits. The lower tier would have to be shallow to allow the upper tier to have the correct sight lines. Therefore unless it was quite a deep stand there would be no room for facilities between the corner flags. Essentially the Len Weston. The raised single tier stand option to provide headroom for facilities below seems to be the no brainer.
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