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Post by sevenoaksbull on Jul 21, 2023 16:26:29 GMT
When I saw a thread on The BF End, I assumed The Council had remembered that the whole plot was originally donated to the City for sporting purposes. I’m pretty sure that was investigated when DK was looking at redevelopment and there was nothing attached to the title of the land to stop the sale or any other use. Even if there was, it wouldn’t take much to remove it, other than the owner (HC) risking the wrath of a small proportion of their Council Tax payers.
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Post by sittingbull on Jul 21, 2023 16:46:24 GMT
Move the pitch out of town, you will lose half the support, make local businesses very unhappy. Redevelopment of the existing ground is what’s required. Start with the Black friars end, seated stand with bar and snack facilities underneath, with some student accommodation built behind, giving HFC an additional income, next the Meadowend and so on. But there has never been enough forward thinking people on the council for this to ever happen……hence the bypass .
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Post by sevenoaksbull on Jul 21, 2023 16:58:19 GMT
Move the pitch out of town, you will lose half the support, make local businesses very unhappy. Redevelopment of the existing ground is what’s required. Start with the Black friars end, seated stand with bar and snack facilities underneath, with some student accommodation built behind, giving HFC an additional income, next the Meadowend and so on. But there has never been enough forward thinking people on the council for this to ever happen……hence the bypass . You’re assuming the Council will grant a lease to allow the club to benefit from the redevelopment and that the club could pay the premium required to secure such a lease. HUFC had a deal like that, but I doubt HFC would get a similar deal; would love to be proved wrong though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2023 17:33:55 GMT
With the benefit of hindsight I struggle to see what that land behind the BE could be used for with there being no parking.
Shops - can't see that? Hotels/boozers/restaurants - ditto. Private/social housing. Can you flog stuff easily with no parking? How do the new flats behind the main stand work? That just leaves student bleeding accommodation. Just what the planet needs more of. What is the story behind NMITE? Is that going anywhere? 30 years too late surely.
7oaks you know stuff along these lines.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2023 17:36:22 GMT
I would want the lot if I was going to try and build anything. We have been through this before. But that would be the real prize development wise. Would change the whole dynamic of that end of town.
Beyond us who wants to see something resembling a shanty town.
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Post by Hawkeye on Jul 21, 2023 18:14:48 GMT
With the benefit of hindsight I struggle to see what that land behind the BE could be used for with there being no parking. Shops - can't see that? Hotels/boozers/restaurants - ditto. Private/social housing. Can you flog stuff easily with no parking? How do the new flats behind the main stand work? That just leaves student bleeding accommodation. Just what the planet needs more of. What is the story behind NMITE? Is that going anywhere? 30 years too late surely. 7oaks you know stuff along these lines. I would like a little more info on NMITE too. It all seems seems to me to be shrouded in mystery.
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Post by Peroni on Jul 21, 2023 19:20:19 GMT
With the benefit of hindsight I struggle to see what that land behind the BE could be used for with there being no parking. Shops - can't see that? Hotels/boozers/restaurants - ditto. Private/social housing. Can you flog stuff easily with no parking? How do the new flats behind the main stand work? That just leaves student bleeding accommodation. Just what the planet needs more of. What is the story behind NMITE? Is that going anywhere? 30 years too late surely. 7oaks you know stuff along these lines. I would like a little more info on NMITE too. It all seems seems to me to be shrouded in mystery. The 1000's of students use a series of underground tunnels to move around. Occasionally an adult can be seen standing outside an exterior door. Though. I can report they jetwashed the boundary brick wall at the blackfriars base this week.
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Post by Peroni on Jul 21, 2023 19:22:00 GMT
With the benefit of hindsight I struggle to see what that land behind the BE could be used for with there being no parking. Shops - can't see that? Hotels/boozers/restaurants - ditto. Private/social housing. Can you flog stuff easily with no parking? How do the new flats behind the main stand work? That just leaves student bleeding accommodation. Just what the planet needs more of. What is the story behind NMITE? Is that going anywhere? 30 years too late surely. 7oaks you know stuff along these lines. You're forgetting the council believe a city can function without cars and the associated parking facility. All access is via Beryl's bike.
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Post by sevenoaksbull on Jul 21, 2023 20:57:51 GMT
With the benefit of hindsight I struggle to see what that land behind the BE could be used for with there being no parking. Shops - can't see that? Hotels/boozers/restaurants - ditto. Private/social housing. Can you flog stuff easily with no parking? How do the new flats behind the main stand work? That just leaves student bleeding accommodation. Just what the planet needs more of. What is the story behind NMITE? Is that going anywhere? 30 years too late surely. 7oaks you know stuff along these lines. You’ve simply illustrated why the Council want the land Lightning. The Blackfriars End site in isolation is not big enough to allow a viable development - i.e. one which could be sold for a greater price than it would cost to build. However, if the developer had the whole stadium footprint to work with, then a mixed development makes sense and would create value. That said, nobody is buying at the moment because funding costs have increased and build cost inputs too. Plus you can’t get the tradesmen - there aren’t enough of them. All of which means nothing will happen and the club’s short lease will just wind down until it expires - there is no right to renewal, because at granting both the club and the Council agreed to exclude those rights under the Landlord & Tenant Act. So in fairly short order, the club will have little money and nowhere to play.
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Post by Hawkeye on Jul 21, 2023 21:59:35 GMT
With the benefit of hindsight I struggle to see what that land behind the BE could be used for with there being no parking. Shops - can't see that? Hotels/boozers/restaurants - ditto. Private/social housing. Can you flog stuff easily with no parking? How do the new flats behind the main stand work? That just leaves student bleeding accommodation. Just what the planet needs more of. What is the story behind NMITE? Is that going anywhere? 30 years too late surely. 7oaks you know stuff along these lines. You’ve simply illustrated why the Council want the land Lightning. The Blackfriars End site in isolation is not big enough to allow a viable development - i.e. one which could be sold for a greater price than it would cost to build. However, if the developer had the whole stadium footprint to work with, then a mixed development makes sense and would create value. That said, nobody is buying at the moment because funding costs have increased and build cost inputs too. Plus you can’t get the tradesmen - there aren’t enough of them. All of which means nothing will happen and the club’s short lease will just wind down until it expires - there is no right to renewal, because at granting both the club and the Council agreed to exclude those rights under the Landlord & Tenant Act. So in fairly short order, the club will have little money and nowhere to play. In short order also, that last point is a particularly sobering thought. One wonders how many of those who have any interest in the club, pecuniary or otherwise, were or are aware of the reality. 😲
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Post by Andrew on Jul 22, 2023 5:06:55 GMT
When I saw a thread on The BF End, I assumed The Council had remembered that the whole plot was originally donated to the City for sporting purposes. Do you mean by The Council Herefordshire Council the Unitary Authority formed in 1998? I very much doubt the donation or perhaps a personal covenant has any lawful standing in 2023.
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Post by dadstaxi on Jul 22, 2023 5:50:06 GMT
Move the pitch out of town, you will lose half the support, make local businesses very unhappy. Redevelopment of the existing ground is what’s required. Start with the Black friars end, seated stand with bar and snack facilities underneath, with some student accommodation built behind, giving HFC an additional income, next the Meadowend and so on. But there has never been enough forward thinking people on the council for this to ever happen……hence the bypass . Unfortunately the forward thinking people need to be the people voting the councillors onto the council. We are stuck in our way of voting for the same old people time after time.
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Post by Andrew on Jul 22, 2023 6:24:30 GMT
There has been a change in administration in 2019 and 2023
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Post by sevenoaksbull on Jul 22, 2023 9:10:03 GMT
You’ve simply illustrated why the Council want the land Lightning. The Blackfriars End site in isolation is not big enough to allow a viable development - i.e. one which could be sold for a greater price than it would cost to build. However, if the developer had the whole stadium footprint to work with, then a mixed development makes sense and would create value. That said, nobody is buying at the moment because funding costs have increased and build cost inputs too. Plus you can’t get the tradesmen - there aren’t enough of them. All of which means nothing will happen and the club’s short lease will just wind down until it expires - there is no right to renewal, because at granting both the club and the Council agreed to exclude those rights under the Landlord & Tenant Act. So in fairly short order, the club will have little money and nowhere to play. In short order also, that last point is a particularly sobering thought. One wonders how many of those who have any interest in the club, pecuniary or otherwise, were or are aware of the reality. 😲 Just on a point of clarity, whilst the existing lease is running down, there is nothing to prevent both the club and HC form entering into negotiations to agree a new lease for the whole stadium. I keep hearing talk of this happening, but so far nothing has been said, which to be fair is not unusual during such commercial negotiations. I only hope that those in the club who make these decisions are actively pursuing an appropriate course of action. I do know that when the new club was formed, the current lease was the best deal the Council would offer, given that the club had no trading history and would be playing at not much above park standard - in the parlance of these things, they had no covenant. Since then of course, things have moved on and I’d like to think the club would now be negotiating from a much stronger position.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2023 9:39:37 GMT
Will that affect my ongoing negotiations to sell the Blackfriars End to Monkey Tennis?
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Post by sevenoaksbull on Jul 22, 2023 9:46:11 GMT
Ah yes, the MT Ransom Strip option………..
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Post by Incognito on Jul 22, 2023 10:26:10 GMT
When I saw a thread on The BF End, I assumed The Council had remembered that the whole plot was originally donated to the City for sporting purposes. Only the athletics track I thought? Well, in over 60 years, that's the first time I've heard that theory.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2023 11:14:49 GMT
Ah yes, the MT Ransom Strip option……….. Don't ever use the words strip and MT near each other.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2023 11:23:48 GMT
The word ransom isn't helping either.
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Post by Andrew on Jul 22, 2023 12:46:45 GMT
Only the athletics track I thought? Well, in over 60 years, that's the first time I've heard that theory. It's actually not relevant any longer the original convenat would have n legal standing even if found.
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