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Post by Monkey Tennis on Nov 16, 2024 20:27:44 GMT
Pens or pencils will be needed too. That's another few quid down the drain. This is all getting very silly. The "FC" thing is mildly annoying admittedly, but any money spent by anyone on reverting to Hereford United could be better spent elsewhere. Seems to me it's a very small group of folk who are hell-bent in getting the "United" back in the name anyway, most don't seem to be too bothered. It's only a bloody name after all - it still has "Hereford" in it. ![]() ![]() We've been round here. It matters to me and other people because it just does. I've said before on here, none of this makes sense, we're all heavily invested in 6th tier football, where's the sense in that. It's perfectly fair and valid to think this is a waste of time and energy. But please let's accept that for some people it _isn't_ a waste of time, nor try and suggest it's a minority of trouble makers who need something to whine about. For me, the name Hereford United is an important part of my and our city's history, and as mad as it may seem, I think it's a part worth spending money on to reclaim. You think differently and that's fine. Let's keep it civil around that. But the other thing is that, until we have better evidence to show otherwise, the money spent on a name change doesn't mean money taken away from something else. It will come from fundraising ringfenced for this purpose alone. I have pledged £100 towards a name change - if the name change doesn't happen, I'm not going to suddenly just give £100 to the club instead for no reason. Let's put it another way. If you are someone who isn't really bothered about the name change, and the name change is at little or no cost to the club, then I'm not sure why your response needs to be anymore than a shrug. You can smile at those happy idiots who cared enough about the word 'United' to waste time and money and get on with your day, while the happy idiots get to feel a bit more warm and fuzzy about watching those blokes in black and white kick a football around. That's a very fair post, and I truly appreciate your perspective. I would point out however that when I said "shouty folk", I meant "shouty folk"; that is, folk who are vociferous and well, "shouty". I didn't say they were trouble-makers. I know some of the BBU supporters reasonably well and those I know are not "trouble-makers" - they simply hold the same view as yourself. My point was that a small group of folk have siezed upon something mildly contentious to chant about (in the absence of anything else contentious to shout about) which isn't really of much concern, it would appear, to the majority of Hereford supporters. Just because the majority don't hold any particular preference doesn't necessarily mean that any change should be implemented because of the wishes (however genuine and heart-felt) of a relative few. That, to me, sets a rather dangerous precedent. For what it's worth I don't really care what the club is called as long as it has the name "Hereford" in it. I'd like to see the "FC" bit dropped but only because it sounds naff and I'd probably vote for its removal, but not if I had to pay a tenner to do so. |
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Post by Differentiabull on Nov 16, 2024 21:07:11 GMT
Twitter debate with BBU and me was on 5 March, I have just re-read it. I was getting very dismissive DMs when I asked about the costs. Context is all. FWIW the same issues I raised back then (when views were being specifically sought) are the same that are raised in this thread. I repeat what I have written on FB. The problem is the approach that BBU have taken. It is extraordinary that they did this unilaterally rather than working with the club. The hijacking of HUST to try and give credibility has caused more friction. The whole thing is a car crash and I make no apologies for having challenged them from the outset. I’d like to say that’s my final take on this, but I’m sure it won’t be. I don't know any detail here and what has gone on, nor am I going to hunt around for a Twitter thread. But remember, we all support the same club here. The outcome we all want is a successful football club, in Hereford, playing at Edgar Street. If your main reason for objecting so strongly to this process is because you don't like what some people have said, rather than the outcome itself, I'd perhaps cautiously suggest that we should all look for bigger picture rather than bigger fracture. Maybe they could have done it your way. They haven't - but they're still Hereford fans who want the best for the club, just like you, and me, and the bennys, and Stig, and whoever. What needs to happen is everyone gets round the table and discusses it. We saw what happened in 2013 when some Hereford fans refused to talk to some Hereford fans. Please let's be grown ups this time. |
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Post by GRL on Nov 16, 2024 21:20:09 GMT
Twitter debate with BBU and me was on 5 March, I have just re-read it. I was getting very dismissive DMs when I asked about the costs. Context is all. FWIW the same issues I raised back then (when views were being specifically sought) are the same that are raised in this thread. I repeat what I have written on FB. The problem is the approach that BBU have taken. It is extraordinary that they did this unilaterally rather than working with the club. The hijacking of HUST to try and give credibility has caused more friction. The whole thing is a car crash and I make no apologies for having challenged them from the outset. I’d like to say that’s my final take on this, but I’m sure it won’t be. I don't know any detail here and what has gone on, nor am I going to hunt around for a Twitter thread. But remember, we all support the same club here. The outcome we all want is a successful football club, in Hereford, playing at Edgar Street. If your main reason for objecting so strongly to this process is because you don't like what some people have said, rather than the outcome itself, I'd perhaps cautiously suggest that we should all look for bigger picture rather than bigger fracture. Maybe they could have done it your way. They haven't - but they're still Hereford fans who want the best for the club, just like you, and me, and the bennys, and Stig, and whoever. What needs to happen is everyone gets round the table and discusses it. We saw what happened in 2013 when some Hereford fans refused to talk to some Hereford fans. Please let's be grown ups this time. You accused me of being "schismatic" yesterday. Never mind the details about this proposed abomination, please try to grasp the immorality of a reversion to the name Hereford United. When "supporters" sought relentlessly and meretriciously to hound out a chairman and colleague who had put over one million pounds into that club in the period leading up to 2014 - with no alternative plan - that some people, like me, aren't going to forget. There was plenty of "schism" going on there. It's Hereford FC, ok? I am a season ticket holder. I've been going, pretty much non-stop since 1962. Who the hell are you? |
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Post by Monkey Tennis on Nov 16, 2024 21:28:36 GMT
I don't know any detail here and what has gone on, nor am I going to hunt around for a Twitter thread. But remember, we all support the same club here. The outcome we all want is a successful football club, in Hereford, playing at Edgar Street. If your main reason for objecting so strongly to this process is because you don't like what some people have said, rather than the outcome itself, I'd perhaps cautiously suggest that we should all look for bigger picture rather than bigger fracture. Maybe they could have done it your way. They haven't - but they're still Hereford fans who want the best for the club, just like you, and me, and the bennys, and Stig, and whoever. What needs to happen is everyone gets round the table and discusses it. We saw what happened in 2013 when some Hereford fans refused to talk to some Hereford fans. Please let's be grown ups this time. You accused me of being "schismatic" yesterday. Never mind the details about this proposed abomination, please try to grasp the immorality of a reversion to the name Hereford United. When "supporters" sought relentlessly and meretriciously to hound out a chairman and colleague who had put over one million pounds into that club in the period leading up to 2014 - with no alternative plan - that some people, like me, aren't going to forget. There was plenty of "schism" going on there.
It's Hereford FC, ok? I am a season ticket holder. I've been going, pretty much non-stop since 1962.
Who the hell are you?And building better bridges than Isambard Kingdom Brunel. |
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Post by White Lightning on Nov 16, 2024 21:53:41 GMT
You accused me of being "schismatic" yesterday. Never mind the details about this proposed abomination, please try to grasp the immorality of a reversion to the name Hereford United. When "supporters" sought relentlessly and meretriciously to hound out a chairman and colleague who had put over one million pounds into that club in the period leading up to 2014 - with no alternative plan - that some people, like me, aren't going to forget. There was plenty of "schism" going on there.
It's Hereford FC, ok? I am a season ticket holder. I've been going, pretty much non-stop since 1962.
Who the hell are you?And building better bridges than Isambard Kingdom Brunel. I went to the cinema tonight to see Gladiator 2. A 6 out of 10 maybe. Less bloodshed than on here mind! Anyway in the trailers there is an upcoming Robbie Williams film with him as a Monkey. Who allowed that? |
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Post by maverick on Nov 16, 2024 21:54:51 GMT
I am struggling to understand the opposition to returning to United for any reasons other than finance.
There seems to be obstacles being put in the way from many (on the various social media outlets) claiming to be sitting on the fence and not bothered either way. For example:
- The HUST vote had a low voter turnout
- HUST represents only a fraction of Hereford FC supporter base
- It will take 2 years to implement
Surely these obstacles are discredited by the following:
- In 2022 only 182 HUST members voted to retain the FC name & not return to United. This vote was respected then so why discredit a higher voter turnout now just because the outcome has changed?
- We have Political party leaders elected by party members who represent only a fraction of core supporters who may vote in a GE. The answer is always the same - you can become a party (labour or con) to vote! So why is this different?
- Newport County in 1999 and Wrexham in 2013 (changing back to AFC) implemented their changes in time for the next season - so why can't we?
Like it or not the HUST vote was democratic. Everyone who wanted to could have joined HUST, it was broadcast far and wide. The Bringbackunited campaign has been going for months and if there was that much opposition why didn't those loyal to FC form their own campaign?
We now have the bizarre situation of the Chairman of the club claiming to be expressing a 'neutral', personal view yet taking every opportunity to block a return to United!! How very neutral!!
And yet the irony to all this is, the outcome will be decided by only 5 people.
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Post by Barney still in B-Block on Nov 16, 2024 22:02:03 GMT
I don't know any detail here and what has gone on, nor am I going to hunt around for a Twitter thread. But remember, we all support the same club here. The outcome we all want is a successful football club, in Hereford, playing at Edgar Street. If your main reason for objecting so strongly to this process is because you don't like what some people have said, rather than the outcome itself, I'd perhaps cautiously suggest that we should all look for bigger picture rather than bigger fracture. Maybe they could have done it your way. They haven't - but they're still Hereford fans who want the best for the club, just like you, and me, and the bennys, and Stig, and whoever. What needs to happen is everyone gets round the table and discusses it. We saw what happened in 2013 when some Hereford fans refused to talk to some Hereford fans. Please let's be grown ups this time. You accused me of being "schismatic" yesterday. Never mind the details about this proposed abomination, please try to grasp the immorality of a reversion to the name Hereford United. When "supporters" sought relentlessly and meretriciously to hound out a chairman and colleague who had put over one million pounds into that club in the period leading up to 2014 - with no alternative plan - that some people, like me, aren't going to forget. There was plenty of "schism" going on there. It's Hereford FC, ok? I am a season ticket holder. I've been going, pretty much non-stop since 1962. Who the hell are you? Same city. Same kit. Same ground. Same fans. Same inconsistent performances. Even, back in the day, same players, so, why not United? And just who made you the moral guardian of such matters? You can continue to hark back to what happened to and under David Keyte forever and a day, but in doing so, please don’t be offended when reminded that things went irretrievably pear-shaped under the stewardship of Mr ‘not on my watch’. |
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Post by GRL on Nov 16, 2024 22:06:12 GMT
You accused me of being "schismatic" yesterday. Never mind the details about this proposed abomination, please try to grasp the immorality of a reversion to the name Hereford United. When "supporters" sought relentlessly and meretriciously to hound out a chairman and colleague who had put over one million pounds into that club in the period leading up to 2014 - with no alternative plan - that some people, like me, aren't going to forget. There was plenty of "schism" going on there. It's Hereford FC, ok? I am a season ticket holder. I've been going, pretty much non-stop since 1962. Who the hell are you? Same city. Same kit. Same ground. Same fans. Same inconsistent performances. Even, back in the day, same players, so, why not United? And just who made you the moral guardian of such matters? You can continue to hark back to what happened to and under David Keyte forever and a day, but in doing so, please don’t be offended when reminded that things went irretrievably pear-shaped under the stewardship of Mr ‘not on my watch’. Never kicked a ball. Not irretrievable. Spoke well of you. |
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Post by tigerfeet on Nov 16, 2024 22:07:29 GMT
I ]We now have the bizarre situation of the Chairman of the club claiming to be expressing a 'neutral', personal view yet taking every opportunity to block a return to United!! How very neutral!! And yet the irony to all this is, the outcome will be decided by only 5 people. I find this very odd. Stig's statement yesterday was both curiously timed and dismissive, to the extent that some might speculate as to whether he'd been "leant on" to make it by one or more of our bennyvestors. Whilst this is purely speculation on my part, it seems that the overall mood within the club owners is that a return to calling our club Hereford United is not on the agenda. |
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Post by Barney still in B-Block on Nov 16, 2024 22:10:54 GMT
I am struggling to understand the opposition to returning to United for any reasons other than finance. There seems to be obstacles being put in the way from many (on the various social media outlets) claiming to be sitting on the fence and not bothered either way. For example: - The HUST vote had a low voter turnout - HUST represents only a fraction of Hereford FC supporter base - It will take 2 years to implement Surely these obstacles are discredited by the following: - In 2022 only 182 HUST members voted to retain the FC name & not return to United. This vote was respected then so why discredit a higher voter turnout now just because the outcome has changed? - We have Political party leaders elected by party members who represent only a fraction of core supporters who may vote in a GE. The answer is always the same - you can become a party (labour or con) to vote! So why is this different? - Newport County in 1999 and Wrexham in 2013 (changing back to AFC) implemented their changes in time for the next season - so why can't we? Like it or not the HUST vote was democratic. Everyone who wanted to could have joined HUST, it was broadcast far and wide. The Bringbackunited campaign has been going for months and if there was that much opposition why didn't those loyal to FC form their own campaign? We now have the bizarre situation of the Chairman of the club claiming to be expressing a 'neutral', personal view yet taking every opportunity to block a return to United!! How very neutral!! And yet the irony to all this is, the outcome will be decided by only 5 people. Beautifully summarised, particularly regarding Stig’s comments*. I’m in favour of a return to United, but only if supported by a majority, and if not financially damaging. *Can’t argue with the logistics, but for him to claim neutrality is a stretch. |
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Post by Barney still in B-Block on Nov 16, 2024 22:15:30 GMT
Same city. Same kit. Same ground. Same fans. Same inconsistent performances. Even, back in the day, same players, so, why not United? And just who made you the moral guardian of such matters? You can continue to hark back to what happened to and under David Keyte forever and a day, but in doing so, please don’t be offended when reminded that things went irretrievably pear-shaped under the stewardship of Mr ‘not on my watch’. Never kicked a ball. Not irretrievable. Spoke well of you. Fine but irrelevant. And fwiw, was an absolute pleasure to share a cricket pitch with, I was probably more upset than most when things went so horribly south. |
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Post by somnambulist on Nov 16, 2024 22:50:33 GMT
And building better bridges than Isambard Kingdom Brunel. Anyway in the trailers there is an upcoming Robbie Williams film with him as a Monkey. Who allowed that? What did you expect? It's not the real Gladiator. Same city, same colosseum, but pales in comparison to the real thing. I'm never going to go and see it. I only come on here to talk about the real Gladiator. And I've been a Gladiator fan since Maximus Decimus Meridius. |
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Post by tchereford on Nov 17, 2024 0:09:00 GMT
I am struggling to understand the opposition to returning to United for any reasons other than finance. There seems to be obstacles being put in the way from many (on the various social media outlets) claiming to be sitting on the fence and not bothered either way. For example: - The HUST vote had a low voter turnout - HUST represents only a fraction of Hereford FC supporter base - It will take 2 years to implement Surely these obstacles are discredited by the following: - In 2022 only 182 HUST members voted to retain the FC name & not return to United. This vote was respected then so why discredit a higher voter turnout now just because the outcome has changed? - We have Political party leaders elected by party members who represent only a fraction of core supporters who may vote in a GE. The answer is always the same - you can become a party (labour or con) to vote! So why is this different? - Newport County in 1999 and Wrexham in 2013 (changing back to AFC) implemented their changes in time for the next season - so why can't we? Like it or not the HUST vote was democratic. Everyone who wanted to could have joined HUST, it was broadcast far and wide. The Bringbackunited campaign has been going for months and if there was that much opposition why didn't those loyal to FC form their own campaign? We now have the bizarre situation of the Chairman of the club claiming to be expressing a 'neutral', personal view yet taking every opportunity to block a return to United!! How very neutral!! And yet the irony to all this is, the outcome will be decided by only 5 people. I'd happily end the thread with this. It basically sums up the views of those majority that bothered to vote in the way that we were asked to months ago. I was a 'Remainer' (but not a Remoaner) at Brexit but having flashbacks to those who were unwilling to accept a democratic vote because they didn't like the outcome. |
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Post by psychedelictony on Nov 17, 2024 0:37:05 GMT
Don't squabble. Ignorance of your own culture is not considered cool.
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Post by psychedelictony on Nov 17, 2024 0:47:14 GMT
3% Is an important figure
But anyway the whole club is what it is. You either remain a supporter (I do) or you don't. The Venn diagram has some crossover.
Either way don't waste money.
Vanity issues. Always kill a business.
Nail bars or barbers are different because they are run by drug money.
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Post by colebridgebull on Nov 17, 2024 9:56:11 GMT
I am struggling to understand the opposition to returning to United for any reasons other than finance. There seems to be obstacles being put in the way from many (on the various social media outlets) claiming to be sitting on the fence and not bothered either way. For example: - The HUST vote had a low voter turnout - HUST represents only a fraction of Hereford FC supporter base - It will take 2 years to implement Surely these obstacles are discredited by the following: - In 2022 only 182 HUST members voted to retain the FC name & not return to United. This vote was respected then so why discredit a higher voter turnout now just because the outcome has changed? - We have Political party leaders elected by party members who represent only a fraction of core supporters who may vote in a GE. The answer is always the same - you can become a party (labour or con) to vote! So why is this different? - Newport County in 1999 and Wrexham in 2013 (changing back to AFC) implemented their changes in time for the next season - so why can't we? Like it or not the HUST vote was democratic. Everyone who wanted to could have joined HUST, it was broadcast far and wide. The Bringbackunited campaign has been going for months and if there was that much opposition why didn't those loyal to FC form their own campaign? We now have the bizarre situation of the Chairman of the club claiming to be expressing a 'neutral', personal view yet taking every opportunity to block a return to United!! How very neutral!! And yet the irony to all this is, the outcome will be decided by only 5 people. I'd happily end the thread with this. It basically sums up the views of those majority that bothered to vote in the way that we were asked to months ago. I was a 'Remainer' (but not a Remoaner) at Brexit but having flashbacks to those who were unwilling to accept a democratic vote because they didn't like the outcome. At the risk of prolonging this, do you see the fatal flaw in your argument here? The name change was rejected by a democratic vote a couple of years ago. |
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Post by maverick on Nov 17, 2024 12:41:27 GMT
I'd happily end the thread with this. It basically sums up the views of those majority that bothered to vote in the way that we were asked to months ago. I was a 'Remainer' (but not a Remoaner) at Brexit but having flashbacks to those who were unwilling to accept a democratic vote because they didn't like the outcome. At the risk of prolonging this, do you see the fatal flaw in your argument here? The name change was rejected by a democratic vote a couple of years ago. I wasn't aware that democratic votes are necessarily governed by being a once only event - was that the case with the HUST vote in 2022? |
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Post by eggchaserbull on Nov 17, 2024 13:06:07 GMT
I've now read the chairman's piece and I 100% agree with him. Although I would go further and say it is pointless. This isn't actually gonna achieve anything. Nothing. Just a waste of time and money. Yeah, we're Hereford supporters, whether we prefer United, FC or just plain Hereford. We're not used to our visits to Edgar Street being pointless, achieving nothing and being a wate of time and money.  However, arguing over A of As, name changes, away kits and who killed our club is seen as well worthwhile.  |
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Post by colebridgebull on Nov 17, 2024 13:08:38 GMT
At the risk of prolonging this, do you see the fatal flaw in your argument here? The name change was rejected by a democratic vote a couple of years ago. I wasn't aware that democratic votes are necessarily governed by being a once only event - was that the case with the HUST vote in 2022? I wasn’t the one suggesting that such votes are once only. Personally am all for revisiting decisions if new facts emerge. Or the electorate are misled in some way. |
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Post by ST Andrew on Nov 17, 2024 14:07:40 GMT
I wasn't aware that democratic votes are necessarily governed by being a once only event - was that the case with the HUST vote in 2022? I wasn’t the one suggesting that such votes are once only. Personally am all for revisiting decisions if new facts emerge. Or the electorate are misled in some way. Misled you say? Barney and 7 others know about that. |
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