United?

[vespa]

Oct 30, 2024 7:26:16 GMT Marty Kilpeck said:

Oct 30, 2024 7:12:48 GMT Differentiabull said:

Understood, that makes sense as a position. If holding a principled stance gives you more life satisfaction overall then good luck to you. I just couldn't take 40 years or whatever of bitterness, never allowing myself to enjoy a Hereford promotion, or a big Fa cup game, or the dutiful reward of watching to the end of a thumping on a freezing Tuesday night in February. As someone who doesn't live in Hereford anymore, supporting my local club is my hook back to where I grew up, part of my identity even.

Try it. Go to a couple of games again. You don't have to like it. You can tell yourself you're attending as a neutral, an away supporter even. But just make sure you've read yourself correctly.

It's not really a position. It's a natural thing for me. If I find something morally disagreeable then I naturally do not accept it. It's not a case of life satisfaction. It's simply a characteristic.

I'm not bitter about the existence of Hereford FC. I'm bitter about the end of Hereford United. But it's not really a life changing bitterness so it's not a problem.

A problem would be a club taking the name of a dead football club. It's like a child dying, you separating from your wife and her then having a child with someone else and giving them the same name as the dead child.

It's completely out of order.

Yes, I did go to one FC match. It didn't feel like watching Hereford United for me, so it's rather pointless. Might as well watch some other shit team for cheaper!

a chap I used to meet in the courtyard before a game stopped going when we reformed.he used to go home and away too.he was born in Hereford and lives there still.just no interest now.why do you still post?

[Marty Kilpeck]

Oct 31, 2024 16:05:53 GMT vespa said:

Oct 30, 2024 7:26:16 GMT Marty Kilpeck said:

It's not really a position. It's a natural thing for me. If I find something morally disagreeable then I naturally do not accept it. It's not a case of life satisfaction. It's simply a characteristic.

I'm not bitter about the existence of Hereford FC. I'm bitter about the end of Hereford United. But it's not really a life changing bitterness so it's not a problem.

A problem would be a club taking the name of a dead football club. It's like a child dying, you separating from your wife and her then having a child with someone else and giving them the same name as the dead child.

It's completely out of order.

Yes, I did go to one FC match. It didn't feel like watching Hereford United for me, so it's rather pointless. Might as well watch some other shit team for cheaper!

a chap I used to meet in the courtyard before a game stopped going when we reformed.he used to go home and away too.he was born in Hereford and lives there still.just no interest now.why do you still post?

Hereford United stuff. Quite interested in what Caddis does. Like looking at photos of cats stretching and dogs shitting.

[ancientbull78]

Despite the fact that I have supported HU and now HFC for over 70 years I am struggling to understand the movement to resurrect the name of my beloved club which died.
How can we explain to our grandchildren who are season ticket holders that the only Club they have ever supported may go out of existence ?.
RIP Hereford United. Hereford Fc forever

[Barney still in B-Block]

Oct 31, 2024 17:56:09 GMT ancientbull78 said:

Despite the fact that I have supported HU and now HFC for over 70 years I am struggling to understand the movement to resurrect the name of my beloved club which died.
How can we explain to our grandchildren who are season ticket holders that the only Club they have ever supported may go out of existence ?.
RIP Hereford United. Hereford Fc forever

Yep, someone has to think of the children. Although should we become United again, I suppose they could at some point, petition HUST to get rid of it.

[Marty Kilpeck]

Oct 31, 2024 18:32:42 GMT Barney still in B-Block said:

Oct 31, 2024 17:56:09 GMT ancientbull78 said:

Despite the fact that I have supported HU and now HFC for over 70 years I am struggling to understand the movement to resurrect the name of my beloved club which died.
How can we explain to our grandchildren who are season ticket holders that the only Club they have ever supported may go out of existence ?.
RIP Hereford United. Hereford Fc forever

Yep, someone has to think of the children. Although should we become United again, I suppose they could at some point, petition HUST to get rid of it.

How has that worked out for the 'Rejoin' campaign?

[ST Andrew]

I find a chap throwing 10k at this nonsense quite disgusting to be honest. There are a lot of local charities in his home town who would welcome that money.

[Marty Kilpeck]

Oct 31, 2024 18:52:38 GMT ST Andrew said:

I find a chap throwing 10k at this nonsense quite disgusting to be honest. There are a lot of local charities in his home town who would welcome that money.

10k towards homeless folks in the satellite towns of Herefordshire would make a difference.

10k towards naming a club after a dead club has no benefit.

[mikeunderpenyard]

Oct 31, 2024 18:52:38 GMT ST Andrew said:

I find a chap throwing 10k at this nonsense quite disgusting to be honest. There are a lot of local charities in his home town who would welcome that money.

It's his money, so it's up to him what he fecking does with it.

To be honest...

[MAXBULL]

Oct 31, 2024 18:52:38 GMT ST Andrew said:

I find a chap throwing 10k at this nonsense quite disgusting to be honest. There are a lot of local charities in his home town who would welcome that money.

How do you know he hasn’t already donated to those charities?
What he does with his money is his business.
Some people go out and buy 50k cars when a 5k one does exactly the same job.
Each to their own.

[Marty Kilpeck]

Oct 31, 2024 19:12:57 GMT MAXBULL said:

Oct 31, 2024 18:52:38 GMT ST Andrew said:

I find a chap throwing 10k at this nonsense quite disgusting to be honest. There are a lot of local charities in his home town who would welcome that money.

How do you know he hasn’t already donated to those charities?
What he does with his money is his business.
Some people go out and buy 50k cars when a 5k one does exactly the same job.
Each to their own.

Exactly.

Unless it's actually helping people then it's a complete waste of money.

[Barney still in B-Block]

Oct 31, 2024 18:52:38 GMT ST Andrew said:

I find a chap throwing 10k at this nonsense quite disgusting to be honest. There are a lot of local charities in his home town who would welcome that money.

Would respectfully suggest that there are a lot of examples of money being thrown at things more worthy of the term ‘disgusting’ than this one.

It’s his passion, it’s his money, it’s a free country.

[organic]

Keith Hall does a lot of fund raising for charity.

[White Lightning]

Oct 31, 2024 18:52:38 GMT ST Andrew said:

I find a chap throwing 10k at this nonsense quite disgusting to be honest. There are a lot of local charities in his home town who would welcome that money.

He does charity quiz nights going by memory. He was certainly doing that in 2022.

[White Lightning]

Oct 31, 2024 19:45:48 GMT organic said:

Keith Hall does a lot of fund raising for charity.

Sorry hadn't seen that.

[GRL]

"United" by all means. Hereford United - no. The present lot have no connection with Hereford. No local players. Train somewhere in the Midlands. Manager lives in Lancashire.
We've been asked to accept a couple of the miscreants who played for the relegated Hereford United team as "legends" in recent times. So, people who played are "legends" - the chairman who enabled their playing is a "villain." Yeah, right.

To hijack the name Hereford United is a bloody insult.
Individual names of contributors towards that end are irrelevant.
Address the issue. Play the ball.

[White Lightning]

The vote getting over the required percentage and the club being renamed HUFC are two very different things.

[Monkey Tennis]

Oct 29, 2024 23:13:13 GMT Marty Kilpeck said:

Oct 29, 2024 22:07:09 GMT Differentiabull said:

What happened, happened. I could remain bitter about it, resent the outcome, and distance myself from football in Hereford. But the only loser there is me. The pragmatic response is to accept that we're still a club playing football at Edgar Street, just like Hereford has always done, in non-league, arguably our spiritual home, and still losing a lot of games of football, as a club that habituates 17 th will always do.

That's your view of the options. We're clearly very different types of people.

There's no way that I could support your club. I'm not saying that I'm morally superior to you. It's merely that I take a moral stance on things and, unless things change, I have absolutely no problem with sticking with it.

Most people seem to bend their stance because they feel a sense of loss/missing out/sadness. I just don't. Not in anything.

You may think this is odd and that I'm cutting my nose off to spite my face. It's not really.

Yeah, I lost a football club but that was lost ten years ago. The same time that you lost one. You haven't gained anything that I want in the intervening period of time.

Do you see what I mean? The reason that I don't want Hereford FC to take the name of Hereford United is for the same reason that you wouldn't want to call a newborn child the same name as one who had sadly died.

It's not the same. I'm sure you all believe it has the same spirit. But it is simply not the same.

Ah! That practice wasn't uncommon back in the day. In 1858 a member of my family called Hannah died aged one year and eight months due to an outbreak of flu in Dorset. Her parent's nonetheless continued to procreate (not much else to do in Dorset in the mid-19th century) and they named their next-born daughter Hannah too. She lived until she was 85.

[GRL]

All very palindromic.

[psychedelictony]

Yeah well I have to say, again, there's nothing genuine to be gained from it. Leave it as is. Which is pretty much genuine. If you get over the origins. Some won't.

I must admit I did blame David Keyte at the time. But I don't now. Looking back at it, it was a colossal failure by HUST and/or a coup. Either way it wasn't cricket. The old club could've been saved. We've been through this thousands of times and the answer always remains the same: it is what it is.

And that is Hereford FC
But not Hereford United

[Barney still in B-Block]

HUST did not, categorically, have anywhere near enough money to save United. The Bennies almost certainly did, but chose the route they chose, aided and abetted by HUST. Or more accurately put, the part of HUST who were ‘in the know’.
Call it a coup if you want, hard to argue with that tbh, but please don’t conveniently forget that it takes two parties to ignore each other.
Nor that Mr Keyte purchased a remarkably solvent, money in the bank football club.