United?

[Gresty]

Oct 31, 2024 20:35:58 GMT GRL said:

"United" by all means. Hereford United - no. The present lot have no connection with Hereford. No local players. Train somewhere in the Midlands. Manager lives in Lancashire.
We've been asked to accept a couple of the miscreants who played for the relegated Hereford United team as "legends" in recent times. So, people who played are "legends" - the chairman who enabled their playing is a "villain." Yeah, right.

To hijack the name Hereford United is a bloody insult.
Individual names of contributors towards that end are irrelevant.
Address the issue. Play the ball.

So, did the late, great John Charles move to live in Hereford? Ray Daniel? Albert Derrick? The two poor souls who died on the Heads of the Valleys road en-route to joining the team bus for an away fixture? Tony Gough? Trampus? Billy Meadows? Ricky George? Brian Owen?

No local players in that line-up. Roger Griffiths and Steve Emery were notable exceptions to the rule but come on, not every player to turn out for Hereford United over time was required to locate here, nor did they.

As to the late David Keyte, his intentions and aspirations for the club were admirable. Being unfamiiar with how professional football actually works was instrumental in him losing a great deal of money as a consequence.

[Barney still in B-Block]

Oct 31, 2024 20:35:58 GMT GRL said:

"United" by all means. Hereford United - no. The present lot have no connection with Hereford. No local players. Train somewhere in the Midlands. Manager lives in Lancashire.
We've been asked to accept a couple of the miscreants who played for the relegated Hereford United team as "legends" in recent times. So, people who played are "legends" - the chairman who enabled their playing is a "villain." Yeah, right.

To hijack the name Hereford United is a bloody insult.
Individual names of contributors towards that end are irrelevant.
Address the issue. Play the ball.

Sure, if you remove the blinkers, and acknowledge that many have held the position of HUFC chairman, but only one, admittedly clearly well-intentioned, oversaw a journey from solvent and thriving to irretrievably lost.
PS. How far is Barbados from the shire?

[psychedelictony]

Oct 31, 2024 23:22:48 GMT Barney still in B-Block said:

HUST did not, categorically, have anywhere near enough money to save United. The Bennies almost certainly did, but chose the route they chose, aided and abetted by HUST. Or more accurately put, the part of HUST who were ‘in the know’.
Call it a coup if you want, hard to argue with that tbh, but please don’t conveniently forget that it takes two parties to ignore each other.
Nor that Mr Keyte purchased a remarkably solvent, money in the bank football club.

I don't think I'd argue with much of that.
Most people were really happy that money was being spent on the club. Especially getting the leases back. That was a sound business decision.
The upgrading of some facilities was maybe premature. And a hell of a lot of money was spent/wasted on the football side of things. People did warn us, I mean some fans did on Bulls Banter.
Ultimately the shock for me was this wasn't one man's debt but it was now the clubs debt. Now, I know this is how limited companies work but that was poor. And a bit of a shock.
But ultimately David Keyte wasn't the villain, he was just like one of us but with maybe more money in his pocketnto begin with.
The stuff afterwards I think you would have to actually be in the room to have the full picture. I haven't got the full picture. Or half of it.

It was a terrible day 19th December 2014.
I'm sure we all shed a tear.
Leave it there and move on is what I'm saying.

[Barney still in B-Block]

Oct 31, 2024 23:57:55 GMT psychedelictony said:

Oct 31, 2024 23:22:48 GMT Barney still in B-Block said:

HUST did not, categorically, have anywhere near enough money to save United. The Bennies almost certainly did, but chose the route they chose, aided and abetted by HUST. Or more accurately put, the part of HUST who were ‘in the know’.
Call it a coup if you want, hard to argue with that tbh, but please don’t conveniently forget that it takes two parties to ignore each other.
Nor that Mr Keyte purchased a remarkably solvent, money in the bank football club.

I don't think I'd argue with much of that.
Most people were really happy that money was being spent on the club. Especially getting the leases back. That was a sound business decision.
The upgrading of some facilities was maybe premature. And a hell of a lot of money was spent/wasted on the football side of things. People did warn us, I mean some fans did on Bulls Banter.
Ultimately the shock for me was this wasn't one man's debt but it was now the clubs debt. Now, I know this is how limited companies work but that was poor. And a bit of a shock.
But ultimately David Keyte wasn't the villain, he was just like one of us but with maybe more money in his pocketnto begin with.
The stuff afterwards I think you would have to actually be in the room to have the full picture. I haven't got the full picture. Or half of it.

It was a terrible day 19th December 2014.
I'm sure we all shed a tear.
Leave it there and move on is what I'm saying.

Apart from 19/12/14, agree entirely. The day Agombar handed over his £2 was the end for me. The court decision, and I was actually present, was the day we could begin the rebuild. Which of course could, and should have been more honest.

[ST Andrew]

This thread still shows the split between Hereford United supporters and the blinkered following of the Messiah that is HFC.
HUFC could have been saved but the drivers of the Trojan horse that HUST was very much had their own agenda. We can't change the past.
I'm very aware that Hall hosts quiz nights in Lemner but still there are better uses of 10k.

[MAXBULL]

Nov 1, 2024 5:15:23 GMT ST Andrew said:

This thread still shows the split between Hereford United supporters and the blinkered following of the Messiah that is HFC.
HUFC could have been saved but the drivers of the Trojan horse that HUST was very much had their own agenda. We can't change the past.
I'm very aware that Hall hosts quiz nights in Lemner but still there are better uses of 10k.

Ridiculous.

[colebridgebull]

Which part? Whether you disagree with the tone or not, what Andrew writes is undeniably true. Ultimately this is all about adding a simple suffix to the name. Isn’t going to right the wrongs of the past or miraculously reanimate the real HUFC.

And there are far better uses of the money.

Spoken as a long term fan of Hereford United and a supporter of Hereford FC.

[GRL]

Oct 31, 2024 23:43:03 GMT Gresty said:

Oct 31, 2024 20:35:58 GMT GRL said:

"United" by all means. Hereford United - no. The present lot have no connection with Hereford. No local players. Train somewhere in the Midlands. Manager lives in Lancashire.
We've been asked to accept a couple of the miscreants who played for the relegated Hereford United team as "legends" in recent times. So, people who played are "legends" - the chairman who enabled their playing is a "villain." Yeah, right.

To hijack the name Hereford United is a bloody insult.
Individual names of contributors towards that end are irrelevant.
Address the issue. Play the ball.

So, did the late, great John Charles move to live in Hereford? Ray Daniel? Albert Derrick? The two poor souls who died on the Heads of the Valleys road en-route to joining the team bus for an away fixture? Tony Gough? Trampus? Billy Meadows? Ricky George? Brian Owen?

No local players in that line-up. Roger Griffiths and Steve Emery were notable exceptions to the rule but come on, not every player to turn out for Hereford United over time was required to locate here, nor did they.

As to the late David Keyte, his intentions and aspirations for the club were admirable. Being unfamiiar with how professional football actually works was instrumental in him losing a great deal of money as a consequence.

Bob Dennison and Colin Addison did at the same level of football. They were successful.
There were always local players on the fringes of the team.
They all trained at Edgar Street.
My post does not embrace players coming to locate here.

[Differentiabull]

I don't accept the 'better things to spend the money on' argument because the point is the money isn't coming unless the name change happens. The fundraising by HUST or the offer from Keith hall is ring fenced for the name correction.

This isn't about reanimating anything. Everyone who cares about what happened in 2014, knows about it, has their views on it, and altering the name won't change that. We need to put that period in our history behind us.

This is about reflecting the fact that the Hereford team playing at Edgar Street has always been called Hereford United.

I've got a Dyson. I refer to it as 'the hoover'. Doesn't stop it being a Dyson. I know it's a Dyson. But it doesn't stop me forever knowing it as 'the hoover', and at no point will I ever start referring to it as 'the Dyson'. It's just 'the hoover '.

Just like it's 'Hereford United'.

[Differentiabull]

P.S. just voted FOR.

Wouldn't it be great if we managed a promotion in our centenary year, and walked out into the Conference next season as Hereford United.

[Marty Kilpeck]

Nov 1, 2024 8:43:35 GMT Differentiabull said:

P.S. just voted FOR.

Wouldn't it be great if we managed a promotion in our centenary year, and walked out into the Conference next season as Hereford United.

[tigerfeet]

Nov 1, 2024 5:15:23 GMT ST Andrew said:

This thread still shows the split between Hereford United supporters and the blinkered following of the Messiah that is HFC.
HUFC could have been saved but the drivers of the Trojan horse that HUST was very much had their own agenda. We can't change the past.
I'm very aware that Hall hosts quiz nights in Lemner but still there are better uses of 10k.

How could HUST have saved HUFC? They didn't have the money Keyte was looking for and even if the did, Keyte was unwilling to sell to them.

[colebridgebull]

You probably need to post a picture here of a point flying miles above the head of a confused looking tiger

[MAXBULL]

Nov 1, 2024 8:00:03 GMT colebridgebull said:

Which part? Whether you disagree with the tone or not, what Andrew writes is undeniably true. Ultimately this is all about adding a simple suffix to the name. Isn’t going to right the wrongs of the past or miraculously reanimate the real HUFC.

And there are far better uses of the money.

Spoken as a long term fan of Hereford United and a supporter of Hereford FC.

The first part obviously.

[ST Andrew]

Nov 1, 2024 9:47:30 GMT tigerfeet said:

Nov 1, 2024 5:15:23 GMT ST Andrew said:

This thread still shows the split between Hereford United supporters and the blinkered following of the Messiah that is HFC.
HUFC could have been saved but the drivers of the Trojan horse that HUST was very much had their own agenda. We can't change the past.
I'm very aware that Hall hosts quiz nights in Lemner but still there are better uses of 10k.

How could HUST have saved HUFC? They didn't have the money Keyte was looking for and even if the did, Keyte was unwilling to sell to them.

The bit of HUST that wasn't HUST had the money and was owed money. The smoke and mirrors the Trojan horse. You ever watched the Great Rock n Roll swindle? I have nothing against HFC supporters apart from the ones who are cult following sheeple who will never understand what actually went on in 2014. Please feel free to post a pic of a dog having a crap.

[GRL]

Nov 1, 2024 9:47:30 GMT tigerfeet said:

Nov 1, 2024 5:15:23 GMT ST Andrew said:

This thread still shows the split between Hereford United supporters and the blinkered following of the Messiah that is HFC.
HUFC could have been saved but the drivers of the Trojan horse that HUST was very much had their own agenda. We can't change the past.
I'm very aware that Hall hosts quiz nights in Lemner but still there are better uses of 10k.

How could HUST have saved HUFC? They didn't have the money Keyte was looking for and even if the did, Keyte was unwilling to sell to them.

Incorrect.

[White Lightning]

[Marty Kilpeck]

Nov 2, 2024 8:30:49 GMT White Lightning said:

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Are there any other important subjects which you would like us to stop talking about?

[Barney still in B-Block]

Nov 2, 2024 8:23:05 GMT GRL said:

Nov 1, 2024 9:47:30 GMT tigerfeet said:

How could HUST have saved HUFC? They didn't have the money Keyte was looking for and even if the did, Keyte was unwilling to sell to them.

Incorrect.

Which bit is incorrect?

[Marty Kilpeck]

Nov 2, 2024 8:51:02 GMT Barney still in B-Block said:

Nov 2, 2024 8:23:05 GMT GRL said:

Incorrect.

Which bit is incorrect?

Well, HUST definitely had enough money considering he sold it for basically nothing.

We shall never know if he would've accepted a HUST offer as one was never made.

Fecking Farages. Watson, Williams, Blandford.