United?

[Marty Kilpeck]

Oct 30, 2024 7:12:48 GMT Differentiabull said:

Understood, that makes sense as a position. If holding a principled stance gives you more life satisfaction overall then good luck to you. I just couldn't take 40 years or whatever of bitterness, never allowing myself to enjoy a Hereford promotion, or a big Fa cup game, or the dutiful reward of watching to the end of a thumping on a freezing Tuesday night in February. As someone who doesn't live in Hereford anymore, supporting my local club is my hook back to where I grew up, part of my identity even.

Try it. Go to a couple of games again. You don't have to like it. You can tell yourself you're attending as a neutral, an away supporter even. But just make sure you've read yourself correctly.

It's not really a position. It's a natural thing for me. If I find something morally disagreeable then I naturally do not accept it. It's not a case of life satisfaction. It's simply a characteristic.

I'm not bitter about the existence of Hereford FC. I'm bitter about the end of Hereford United. But it's not really a life changing bitterness so it's not a problem.

A problem would be a club taking the name of a dead football club. It's like a child dying, you separating from your wife and her then having a child with someone else and giving them the same name as the dead child.

It's completely out of order.

Yes, I did go to one FC match. It didn't feel like watching Hereford United for me, so it's rather pointless. Might as well watch some other shit team for cheaper!

[White Lightning]

Oct 30, 2024 7:26:16 GMT Marty Kilpeck said:

Oct 30, 2024 7:12:48 GMT Differentiabull said:

Understood, that makes sense as a position. If holding a principled stance gives you more life satisfaction overall then good luck to you. I just couldn't take 40 years or whatever of bitterness, never allowing myself to enjoy a Hereford promotion, or a big Fa cup game, or the dutiful reward of watching to the end of a thumping on a freezing Tuesday night in February. As someone who doesn't live in Hereford anymore, supporting my local club is my hook back to where I grew up, part of my identity even.

Try it. Go to a couple of games again. You don't have to like it. You can tell yourself you're attending as a neutral, an away supporter even. But just make sure you've read yourself correctly.

It's not really a position. It's a natural thing for me. If I find something morally disagreeable then I naturally do not accept it. It's not a case of life satisfaction. It's simply a characteristic.

I'm not bitter about the existence of Hereford FC. I'm bitter about the end of Hereford United. But it's not really a life changing bitterness so it's not a problem.

A problem would be a club taking the name of a dead football club. It's like a child dying, you separating from your wife and her then having a child with someone else and giving them the same name as the dead child.

It's completely out of order.

Yes, I did go to one FC match. It didn't feel like watching Hereford United for me, so it's rather pointless. Might as well watch some other shit team for cheaper!

You do seem to be making a good fist of dealing with it.

[glawsterwhite]

😂

[Marty Kilpeck]

Oct 30, 2024 9:03:40 GMT White Lightning said:

Oct 30, 2024 7:26:16 GMT Marty Kilpeck said:

It's not really a position. It's a natural thing for me. If I find something morally disagreeable then I naturally do not accept it. It's not a case of life satisfaction. It's simply a characteristic.

I'm not bitter about the existence of Hereford FC. I'm bitter about the end of Hereford United. But it's not really a life changing bitterness so it's not a problem.

A problem would be a club taking the name of a dead football club. It's like a child dying, you separating from your wife and her then having a child with someone else and giving them the same name as the dead child.

It's completely out of order.

Yes, I did go to one FC match. It didn't feel like watching Hereford United for me, so it's rather pointless. Might as well watch some other shit team for cheaper!

You do seem to be making a good fist of dealing with it.

Your responses are incredibly childish.

[White Lightning]

I cannot disagree with that.

[tigerfeet]

Oct 30, 2024 9:29:44 GMT Marty Kilpeck said:

Oct 30, 2024 9:03:40 GMT White Lightning said:

You do seem to be making a good fist of dealing with it.

Your responses are incredibly childish.

[Witch Z]

Another potentially interesting and informative thread hijacked by the clique and their tedious in-jokes. It's about time Admin took a firmer line with these jokers.

[eggchaserbull]

Oct 30, 2024 10:11:18 GMT Witch Z said:

Another potentially interesting and informative thread hijacked by the clique and their tedious in-jokes. It's about time Admin took a firmer line with these jokers.

Hear, hear!

What's in a name? He, whom we call A. Rose, Hereford FC,
By any other name would smell as sweet

[Armchairfan]

Oct 30, 2024 7:26:16 GMT Marty Kilpeck said:

Oct 30, 2024 7:12:48 GMT Differentiabull said:

Understood, that makes sense as a position. If holding a principled stance gives you more life satisfaction overall then good luck to you. I just couldn't take 40 years or whatever of bitterness, never allowing myself to enjoy a Hereford promotion, or a big Fa cup game, or the dutiful reward of watching to the end of a thumping on a freezing Tuesday night in February. As someone who doesn't live in Hereford anymore, supporting my local club is my hook back to where I grew up, part of my identity even.

Try it. Go to a couple of games again. You don't have to like it. You can tell yourself you're attending as a neutral, an away supporter even. But just make sure you've read yourself correctly.

It's not really a position. It's a natural thing for me. If I find something morally disagreeable then I naturally do not accept it. It's not a case of life satisfaction. It's simply a characteristic.

I'm not bitter about the existence of Hereford FC. I'm bitter about the end of Hereford United. But it's not really a life changing bitterness so it's not a problem.

A problem would be a club taking the name of a dead football club. It's like a child dying, you separating from your wife and her then having a child with someone else and giving them the same name as the dead child.

It's completely out of order.

Yes, I did go to one FC match. It didn't feel like watching Hereford United for me, so it's rather pointless. Might as well watch some other shit team for cheaper!

It's not quite like that, the old club was almost 100 years old and yes it died, I also was saddened and hurt by it.

I'm not totally precious about the new club taking on the United name, but, as you liken it to taking the name of a deceased human, I would ask, how many family members do you have that have taken the name of now deceased ancestors?

My youngest son's middle name is George, that of my Grandad who was my idol and fanatic HUFC supporter, he got his name from his Uncle George, who I visited in a commonwealth war cemetary in France just last week who was 19 when he was killed, he in turn got his name from his own father, George........


So on and so forth, names given to new birth for generation after generation, the people with those names carry and use them with pride, memory and love.

[White Lightning]

By coincidence I was first taken to Hereford by my uncle George, who wasn't a real uncle, just my dad's mate. My dad hated football.

So did my "uncle" George going on the moaning him and his mates engaged in. I didn't get it at the time, but now realise that not that many seasons earlier they had been watching some magical football.

[Witch Z]

Oct 30, 2024 12:17:43 GMT eggchaserbull said:

Oct 30, 2024 10:11:18 GMT Witch Z said:

Another potentially interesting and informative thread hijacked by the clique and their tedious in-jokes. It's about time Admin took a firmer line with these jokers.

Hear, hear!

What's in a name? He, whom we call A. Rose, Hereford FC,
By any other name would smell as sweet

That's because he uses Lynx Africa.

[GRL]

After the hounding out and vilification of a person who expended £680,000 into Hereford United one isn't going to be too impressed by any latter day saint seeking to retrieve the situation ten years later with a comparative pittance.
Well intentioned though he may be.

[Barney still in B-Block]

Oct 30, 2024 20:55:56 GMT GRL said:

After the hounding out and vilification of a person who expended £680,000 into Hereford United one isn't going to be too impressed by any latter day saint seeking to retrieve the situation ten years later with a comparative pittance.
Well intentioned though he may be.

Sometimes wain, it’s not so much about the amount one spends, but more about how wisely one spends it.

As my Manchester City supporting pal often points out.

[bullunitedfc]

Oct 30, 2024 20:55:56 GMT GRL said:

After the hounding out and vilification of a person who expended £680,000 into Hereford United one isn't going to be too impressed by any latter day saint seeking to retrieve the situation ten years later with a comparative pittance.
Well intentioned though he may be.

I don't feel this is entirely fair on Keith Hall, especially given his intentions probably aren't bad.

I do feel that it's a case of "careful what you wish for though". The hounding out of DK did lead to the downfall of HUFC sadly and I feel that some of the more vocal elements of our support who want United back were possibly the same core who hounded out DK in the first place.

[Barney still in B-Block]

Oct 30, 2024 21:31:14 GMT bullunitedfc said:

Oct 30, 2024 20:55:56 GMT GRL said:

After the hounding out and vilification of a person who expended £680,000 into Hereford United one isn't going to be too impressed by any latter day saint seeking to retrieve the situation ten years later with a comparative pittance.
Well intentioned though he may be.

I don't feel this is entirely fair on Keith Hall, especially given his intentions probably aren't bad.

I do feel that it's a case of "careful what you wish for though". The hounding out of DK did lead to the downfall of HUFC sadly and I feel that some of the more vocal elements of our support who want United back were possibly the same core who hounded out DK in the first place.

Yes, Latter Day Saint is harsh on Keith, but don’t be too hard on wain. It was probably the big boys* that made him say it.

*Or as sometimes known, the tank.

[Differentiabull]

Oct 30, 2024 20:55:56 GMT GRL said:

After the hounding out and vilification of a person who expended £680,000 into Hereford United one isn't going to be too impressed by any latter day saint seeking to retrieve the situation ten years later with a comparative pittance.
Well intentioned though he may be.

That's not fair. You can't pretend there's an equivalence between sometime who walked, eyes open, into the chairmanship of a lower league football club, and a fan who offers a generous contribution to a fan-led initiative.

DK got terrible treatment while he was in charge, but everyone knows that the only way to make a small fortune running a lower league football club is to spend a large fortune first.

[GRL]

Oct 30, 2024 21:31:14 GMT bullunitedfc said:

Oct 30, 2024 20:55:56 GMT GRL said:

After the hounding out and vilification of a person who expended £680,000 into Hereford United one isn't going to be too impressed by any latter day saint seeking to retrieve the situation ten years later with a comparative pittance.
Well intentioned though he may be.

I don't feel this is entirely fair on Keith Hall, especially given his intentions probably aren't bad.

I do feel that it's a case of "careful what you wish for though". The hounding out of DK did lead to the downfall of HUFC sadly and I feel that some of the more vocal elements of our support who want United back were possibly the same core who hounded out DK in the first place.

Correct.

[GRL]

Oct 30, 2024 22:50:44 GMT Differentiabull said:

Oct 30, 2024 20:55:56 GMT GRL said:

After the hounding out and vilification of a person who expended £680,000 into Hereford United one isn't going to be too impressed by any latter day saint seeking to retrieve the situation ten years later with a comparative pittance.
Well intentioned though he may be.

That's not fair. You can't pretend there's an equivalence between sometime who walked, eyes open, into the chairmanship of a lower league football club, and a fan who offers a generous contribution to a fan-led initiative.

DK got terrible treatment while he was in charge, but everyone knows that the only way to make a small fortune running a lower league football club is to spend a large fortune first.

The context of my post is "United". That club was allowed to die, notably by HUST.
DK was not interested in making the small fortune that you cite; he was a fan who even played for the club in 1972-73.

[GRL]

Oct 30, 2024 21:27:04 GMT Barney still in B-Block said:

Oct 30, 2024 20:55:56 GMT GRL said:

After the hounding out and vilification of a person who expended £680,000 into Hereford United one isn't going to be too impressed by any latter day saint seeking to retrieve the situation ten years later with a comparative pittance.
Well intentioned though he may be.

Sometimes wain, it’s not so much about the amount one spends, but more about how wisely one spends it.

As my Manchester City supporting pal often points out.

Have a look at the players who represented Hereford United in their last Football League season and ask yourself how on earth they managed to get relegated.

[Barney still in B-Block]

Oct 31, 2024 14:09:51 GMT GRL said:

Oct 30, 2024 21:27:04 GMT Barney still in B-Block said:

Sometimes wain, it’s not so much about the amount one spends, but more about how wisely one spends it.

As my Manchester City supporting pal often points out.

Have a look at the players who represented Hereford United in their last Football League season and ask yourself how on earth they managed to get relegated.

I have, many times. Have concluded that not having a functioning think tank was crucial.