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Post by MAXBULL on Oct 29, 2024 18:34:43 GMT
The voice of United. Top man! |
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Post by White Lightning on Oct 29, 2024 18:43:57 GMT
He is class. That is amazing.
I think that is just the thing the club would need to generate the head of steam required to justify doing it.
That could be the start of taking the club to the next level.
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Post by Barney still in B-Block on Oct 29, 2024 18:50:44 GMT
Wow, that’s quite something.
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Post by Gresty on Oct 29, 2024 18:52:44 GMT
Blimey. Fair play. Incredibly generous offer. Incredibly generous. And very clever. Hereford United through and through. Bravo! |
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Post by White Lightning on Oct 29, 2024 19:03:23 GMT
Just voted, yes. I was going to vote yes anyhow (which wasn't always the case). If I was thinking of voting against it, though, that would have swayed me anyway.
Give me U...
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Post by bullunitedfc on Oct 29, 2024 19:16:29 GMT
Haven't posted on here for a long time but have read this thread and feel like I need to add my thoughts:
1. Very generous of Keith Hall, and quite remarkable.
2. Issue is now that IF it doesn't go through we will have the same thing happen over and over again until it does, as somebody else has mentioned on a previous post.
3. I don't think anybody has mentioned it, but spare a thought for those local businesses, and previous owners, who lost £000s of pounds when HUFC went out of business - maybe it's insensitive to those to have the name Hereford United again?
4. What about the supporters who chose NOT to follow the new club (and I think there's a fair few) and also supporters who ONLY started supporting the new club (again, there's a few), are we at risk of losing some supporters, has this been factored in?
5. Can we stop this whole 'what the fans get the fans want'? At the end of the day, yes, we are stakeholders, but it's not our business to run.
6. Keith's offer is generous but also could cause a divide between fans and club. If HUST get a vote to bring it to HFC board and then they reject then it's quite clear that the vocal group will then point toward the board and question why it hasn't happened, which will cause divide once more.
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Post by sortitoutwebbbull on Oct 29, 2024 19:29:56 GMT
Haven't posted on here for a long time but have read this thread and feel like I need to add my thoughts: 1. Very generous of Keith Hall, and quite remarkable. 2. Issue is now that IF it doesn't go through we will have the same thing happen over and over again until it does, as somebody else has mentioned on a previous post. 3. I don't think anybody has mentioned it, but spare a thought for those local businesses, and previous owners, who lost £000s of pounds when HUFC went out of business - maybe it's insensitive to those to have the name Hereford United again? 4. What about the supporters who chose NOT to follow the new club (and I think there's a fair few) and also supporters who ONLY started supporting the new club (again, there's a few), are we at risk of losing some supporters, has this been factored in? 5. Can we stop this whole 'what the fans get the fans want'? At the end of the day, yes, we are stakeholders, but it's not our business to run. 6. Keith's offer is generous but also could cause a divide between fans and club. If HUST get a vote to bring it to HFC board and then they reject then it's quite clear that the vocal group will then point toward the board and question why it hasn't happened, which will cause divide once more. |
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Post by White Lightning on Oct 29, 2024 19:46:38 GMT
One thing that the new club could have done better was look after the businesses that had lost out definitely. I remember going down to Plymouth the season we got relegated (1-1 I think? we were ahead quite late in the game?), anyway they had just come out of going skint and I can't remember the exact details but they must have reneged on loads of debt to local businesses. There was some kind of movement to encourage fans to use these businesses moving forward. No idea how effective/decent it was?
Worth pointing out I guess that HFC had no legal responsibility to the businesses that suffered.
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Post by tchereford on Oct 29, 2024 19:52:34 GMT
What about the supporters who chose NOT to follow the new club (and I think there's a fair few) and also supporters who ONLY started supporting the new club (again, there's a few), are we at risk of losing some supporters, has this been factored in? Anyone boring and petty enough to be in either camp (if there's enough for a camp) should probably p!ss off either way. |
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Post by MAXBULL on Oct 29, 2024 20:00:22 GMT
Voted yes and yes.  i wonder if Kilpeck is getting his fireworks ready? |
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United?
Oct 29, 2024 20:32:34 GMT
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Post by Marty Kilpeck on Oct 29, 2024 20:32:34 GMT
Voted yes and yes. View Attachmenti wonder if Kilpeck is getting his fireworks ready? Yes, I will be. |
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United?
Oct 29, 2024 20:34:14 GMT
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Post by MAXBULL on Oct 29, 2024 20:34:14 GMT
Voted yes and yes. View Attachmenti wonder if Kilpeck is getting his fireworks ready? Yes, I will be. You really should be a bit more careful posting threats online. |
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Post by Barney still in B-Block on Oct 29, 2024 20:35:02 GMT
Interesting few hours on this, and while still not going to stress about it, am a good bit more ‘United’ than a week ago.
I guess it will all come down to what the owners want to do, but here’s a thought. They were more than happy to use United’s ground, colours, fans, even a couple of their players.
A bit hypocritical surely, to be vehemently against using the name?
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United?
Oct 29, 2024 20:36:31 GMT
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Post by Marty Kilpeck on Oct 29, 2024 20:36:31 GMT
You really should be a bit more careful posting threats online. Eh?! Fireworks night, you bellend! |
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Post by A Bull on Oct 29, 2024 20:56:58 GMT
Wow, blown away by this move from Keith. He was already a Hereford legend but this is a different class. Fair play.
I was already voting yes but now it's an even bigger yes.
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United?
Oct 29, 2024 21:42:57 GMT
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Post by MAXBULL on Oct 29, 2024 21:42:57 GMT
You really should be a bit more careful posting threats online. Eh?! Fireworks night, you bellend!  |
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Post by Differentiabull on Oct 29, 2024 22:07:09 GMT
Basically, we could have saved United. But we couldn't be arsed. So just sticking it on the end of the name a new club sounds like a pretty gutless approach. My position comes from a position of pragmatism over principles. I was a minority on your side of the debate in 2014, I felt we would lose far more than we'd gain by boycotting the club out of existence, and the pragmatic approach was to try and keep the club going, and do a deal to get Agomdale out. What happened, happened. I could remain bitter about it, resent the outcome, and distance myself from football in Hereford. But the only loser there is me. The pragmatic response is to accept that we're still a club playing football at Edgar Street, just like Hereford has always done, in non-league, arguably our spiritual home, and still losing a lot of games of football, as a club that habituates 17 th will always do. It's the same ground that all the stories have occurred at, it's the same fans who've got the same memories I have, it's often the same teams we've played tens of times over the decades. You can say it's fingers in the ears, but maybe it's still Hereford United after all. |
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Post by mikeunderpenyard on Oct 29, 2024 22:17:38 GMT
Wasn't particularly bothered to be honest, just disliked the constant emphasis towards FC.
Have to say though, Keith's inspired me.
Rejoined HUST, and voted Yes.
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United?
Oct 29, 2024 23:13:13 GMT
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Post by Marty Kilpeck on Oct 29, 2024 23:13:13 GMT
What happened, happened. I could remain bitter about it, resent the outcome, and distance myself from football in Hereford. But the only loser there is me. The pragmatic response is to accept that we're still a club playing football at Edgar Street, just like Hereford has always done, in non-league, arguably our spiritual home, and still losing a lot of games of football, as a club that habituates 17 th will always do. That's your view of the options. We're clearly very different types of people. There's no way that I could support your club. I'm not saying that I'm morally superior to you. It's merely that I take a moral stance on things and, unless things change, I have absolutely no problem with sticking with it. Most people seem to bend their stance because they feel a sense of loss/missing out/sadness. I just don't. Not in anything. You may think this is odd and that I'm cutting my nose off to spite my face. It's not really. Yeah, I lost a football club but that was lost ten years ago. The same time that you lost one. You haven't gained anything that I want in the intervening period of time. Do you see what I mean? The reason that I don't want Hereford FC to take the name of Hereford United is for the same reason that you wouldn't want to call a newborn child the same name as one who had sadly died. It's not the same. I'm sure you all believe it has the same spirit. But it is simply not the same. |
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Post by Differentiabull on Oct 30, 2024 7:12:48 GMT
Understood, that makes sense as a position. If holding a principled stance gives you more life satisfaction overall then good luck to you. I just couldn't take 40 years or whatever of bitterness, never allowing myself to enjoy a Hereford promotion, or a big Fa cup game, or the dutiful reward of watching to the end of a thumping on a freezing Tuesday night in February. As someone who doesn't live in Hereford anymore, supporting my local club is my hook back to where I grew up, part of my identity even.
Try it. Go to a couple of games again. You don't have to like it. You can tell yourself you're attending as a neutral, an away supporter even. But just make sure you've read yourself correctly.
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