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Post by bullsviper on Apr 2, 2024 11:59:56 GMT
This season has been our best in this horrible league.
If by the last chance we make it into the play-off's it will be even better, but alas I think that ship has sailed.
The club had nothing when PC started and have tried to balance the books which I believe they have done that part. If we have the core of the squad ready for next season, then it will be a different kettle of fish. Luck with injuries and poor ref's has not helped us at all.
The club's target would have been the play-off's, so this will hurt the team as well as the manager.
I do agree though, how do clubs with gates of next to nothing go full time, where much larger clubs cannot? It really doesn't make any sense at all using simple maths.
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Post by reasonabull on Apr 2, 2024 13:26:01 GMT
The maths is quite simple. You'll find that some owners are putting loads into clubs who have small gates. The size of your crowd helps, but doesn't ultimately dictate the managers budget.
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Post by tigerfeet on Apr 2, 2024 13:51:00 GMT
The maths is quite simple. You'll find that some owners are putting loads into clubs who have small gates. The size of your crowd helps, but doesn't ultimately dictate the managers budget. But there's only two promotion places so not all of these small clubs with rich benefactors will progress. Inevitably with those that don't, the owners will get bored, withdraw their money and the club will either go under or return to their natural level. Look at the difference between King's Lynn last season and this season for example.
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Post by dadstaxi on Apr 2, 2024 15:03:16 GMT
3k there yesterday but what is the break down of the gate? How many were season ticket holders. Their money has already been spent. How many were freeloaders? How many concessions were there? How many youngsters? How many paid the full whack?
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Post by White Lightning on Apr 2, 2024 15:11:21 GMT
3k there yesterday but what is the break down of the gate? How many were season ticket holders. Their money has already been spent. How many were freeloaders?How many concessions were there? How many youngsters? How many paid the full whack? My two kids.
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Post by greekgod on Apr 2, 2024 15:12:06 GMT
And the rest!
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Post by greekgod on Apr 2, 2024 15:13:16 GMT
Sorry, didn't mean to suggest there's loads more half white lightnings about.
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Post by vespa on Apr 2, 2024 17:13:52 GMT
I'll keep it simple.i like what Ammonds has done and I like Caddis.if I was a regular who buys a season ticket I would definitely buy one next season.
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Post by psychedelictony on Apr 2, 2024 17:26:27 GMT
I agree that Caddis and Ammonds should be commended for turning around the fortunes to some extent. They have brought "hope" meaning more people through the doors.
When I said he had failed, surely in his head he was aiming for the playoffs. No matter what he said about "didn't expect to be in this position" at times during the season.
Like others I would question a few team selections while taking on board there has been a certain degree of bad luck with injuries and some needless suspensions.
However disappointed I was last night, I would think Caddis felt that x100. I didn't post any particular knee-jerk, toys out of the pram type stuff. I am behind the guy - he has done ok, better than all others since Beadle. I hope he is here next season.
But ultimately I still question how Hereford cannot seem to compete with some clubs in this division. Year after year.
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Post by chalkywhite81 on Apr 2, 2024 17:59:52 GMT
Attendance doesn’t necessarily equal results. And attendance doesn’t necessarily equal budget either.
I keep reading Tamworth have won the league so it’s a failure that we don’t.
Simplistic view that annoys the hell out of me.
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Post by tigerfeet on Apr 2, 2024 18:00:56 GMT
I agree that Caddis and Ammonds should be commended for turning around the fortunes to some extent. They have brought "hope" meaning more people through the doors. When I said he had failed, surely in his head he was aiming for the playoffs. No matter what he said about "didn't expect to be in this position" at times during the season. Like others I would question a few team selections while taking on board there has been a certain degree of bad luck with injuries and some needless suspensions. However disappointed I was last night, I would think Caddis felt that x100. I didn't post any particular knee-jerk, toys out of the pram type stuff. I am behind the guy - he has done ok, better than all others since Beadle. I hope he is here next season. But ultimately I still question how Hereford cannot seem to compete with some clubs in this division. Year after year.We can. On a good day we can beat any team in this league. Unfortunately we're so inconsistent that on a bad day we can loose to any team in this league. For me, the main thing Caddis has got wrong is not fielding a settled team. There's been too much chopping and changing, bringing players in on short term deals and needless tinkering. Yes, we've been unlucky with injuries to some extent but we've used way too many players this season and you don't have a successful season if you change the starting line up every week.
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Post by White Lightning on Apr 2, 2024 18:03:06 GMT
I agree that Caddis and Ammonds should be commended for turning around the fortunes to some extent. They have brought "hope" meaning more people through the doors. When I said he had failed, surely in his head he was aiming for the playoffs. No matter what he said about "didn't expect to be in this position" at times during the season. Like others I would question a few team selections while taking on board there has been a certain degree of bad luck with injuries and some needless suspensions. However disappointed I was last night, I would think Caddis felt that x100. I didn't post any particular knee-jerk, toys out of the pram type stuff. I am behind the guy - he has done ok, better than all others since Beadle. I hope he is here next season. But ultimately I still question how Hereford cannot seem to compete with some clubs in this division. Year after year.We can. On a good day we can beat any team in this league. Unfortunately we're so inconsistent that on a bad day we can loose to any team in this league. For me, the main thing Caddis has got wrong is not fielding a settled team. There's been too much chopping and changing, bringing players in on short term deals and needless tinkering. Yes, we've been unlucky with injuries to some extent but we've used way too many players this season and you don't have a successful season if you change the starting line up every week. Give him a break, you never mentioned that once before Caddis arrived.
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Post by chalkywhite81 on Apr 2, 2024 18:10:20 GMT
Another thing we must recognise is Hereford are not a big non league club anymore. This isn’t the early 1970’s.
Hereford in the conference will be small potatoes in attendance terms v an Oldham or Southend. Then you have Hartlepool, Rochdale, York. Even Yeovil and Kiddy are more established clubs now with similar or better support.
And will be small potatoes in budget v all the ambitious FT set ups with financial backing.
Those years chasing promotion under Turner the conference had some really poor sides. Now we see the promoted sides struggle, the standard is higher and Hereford have no god given right to succeed at this level. Fan expectation needs tempering.
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Post by dadstaxi on Apr 2, 2024 18:14:14 GMT
We have for the last few seasons predicted that next seasons going to be better that’s the one we get out of this league. The ground work has been done this season. Blah blah blah. But it just not happened. This time I’m more optimistic that this time we might be right Caddis picks the best team he can from what’s available. We don’t know what goes on in other people’s lives why they are not available. Speculation was made about players not even on the bench Saturday. Why did we sign them if we ain’t going to play them etc. conspiracy theories are better than the truth for some people.
After their second goal went in Saturday one of their players rushed to pick the ball out of the net then danced across to face his own supporters and threw the ball towards the sideline, black arts at its finest. Waste as much time as possible. We should of had the ball in the centre ready to go and pointed out to the ref they were time wasting.
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Post by greekgod on Apr 2, 2024 18:42:43 GMT
I'll keep it simple.i like what Ammonds has done and I like Caddis.if I was a regular who buys a season ticket I would definitely buy one next season. Get the ST's on sale now, in case we lose the next four.
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Post by psychedelictony on Apr 2, 2024 19:01:11 GMT
Another thing we must recognise is Hereford are not a big non league club anymore. This isn’t the early 1970’s. Hereford in the conference will be small potatoes in attendance terms v an Oldham or Southend. Then you have Hartlepool, Rochdale, York. Even Yeovil and Kiddy are more established clubs now with similar or better support. And will be small potatoes in budget v all the ambitious FT set ups with financial backing. Those years chasing promotion under Turner the conference had some really poor sides. Now we see the promoted sides struggle, the standard is higher and Hereford have no god given right to succeed at this level. Fan expectation needs tempering. Once fan expectation gets tempered you are like a minimum wage worker who has given up and accepted their fate in life. Millions of those people still dream. I just want to see Hereford back in the football league. Maybe I'm dreaming but for a lot of us, that's why we are still here.
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Post by psychedelictony on Apr 2, 2024 19:17:17 GMT
Attendance doesn’t necessarily equal results. And attendance doesn’t necessarily equal budget either. I keep reading Tamworth have won the league so it’s a failure that we don’t. Simplistic view that annoys the hell out of me. Equally it annoys me when people think we haven't got the infrastructure in place to compete higher up. I will not accept National League North as Herefords "fate" Come back to this post next season when Tamworth are 10 points adrift at the bottom. But fair play to them for storming it this season.
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Post by psychedelictony on Apr 2, 2024 19:34:06 GMT
Also, I am realistic enough to accept chalky's points regarding standard in National League. And if we had managed to get promoted this season, then next season avoiding relegation on goal difference I would see as a successful season.
You see, and this is a point that has been made before on here and on Bulls Banter before that - if the team is winning regularly gates will be high. If we are near the bottom of the table the gates will be pathetic.
It doesn't seem to matter what league we are in! These are the facts.
But for me it does matter what league we are in!
We can do better than this.
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Post by White Lightning on Apr 2, 2024 19:40:41 GMT
NLN24 = CONF97
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Post by psychedelictony on Apr 2, 2024 19:44:17 GMT
Reluctantly I reckon this is possibly true. Thinking back to how utterly shit some of those teams were back then in the conference. And again, how we sometimes couldnt compete.
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