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Jul 7, 2024 14:57:11 GMT
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Post by Saul Goodman on Jul 7, 2024 14:57:11 GMT
67.9% of people voted against the Alternative Vote system (PR) in 2011. You had your chance. Just unlucky for Reform that they have emerged since then. Unless you want to hold 2 Referenda, a job lot on the same day, PR and Brexit of course, to right the wrongs of the past. What was the turnout of which 67.9% voted against PR in 2011?
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Post by eggchaserbull on Jul 7, 2024 16:37:29 GMT
67.9% of people voted against the Alternative Vote system (PR) in 2011. You had your chance. Just unlucky for Reform that they have emerged since then. Unless you want to hold 2 Referenda, a job lot on the same day, PR and Brexit of course, to right the wrongs of the past. What was the turnout of which 67.9% voted against PR in 2011? If you were really hawkeyed, you'd have noticed in my post from yesterday that it was a measly 42% turnout.
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Post by Saul Goodman on Jul 7, 2024 17:18:23 GMT
What was the turnout of which 67.9% voted against PR in 2011? If you were really hawkeyed, you'd have noticed in my post from yesterday that it was a measly 42% turnout. 😂 My bad. I read it but it didn't register. I am chastened. 😢 Now you've cleared that up for me it smacks a teeny bit of the theory that 10% of feck all is feck all. One wonders why the great British populace is so reluctant to turn out to vote upon things such as who represents us in parliament, and what system we should use to determine who they might be. Is it laziness? Ignorance? Lack of will?
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Post by sevenoaksbull on Jul 7, 2024 17:57:39 GMT
If you were really hawkeyed, you'd have noticed in my post from yesterday that it was a measly 42% turnout. 😂 My bad. I read it but it didn't register. I am chastened. 😢 Now you've cleared that up for me it smacks a teeny bit of the theory that 10% of feck all is feck all. One wonders why the great British populace is so reluctant to turn out to vote upon things such as who represents us in parliament, and what system we should use to determine who they might be. Is it laziness? Ignorance? Lack of will? All 3 Hawkeye. People in general just don’t seem to be as engaged as they were. All kinds of reasons I suppose, but a biggie is that over the last 40 years, those who govern us have become more removed from the population as a whole and have effectively morphed into a ruling elite. The rest of the population feels unrepresented, so either doesn’t bother or is drawn to a rabble rousing group. How else would you explain the emergence of Reform?
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Post by sisyphus on Jul 7, 2024 19:29:36 GMT
If you were really hawkeyed, you'd have noticed in my post from yesterday that it was a measly 42% turnout. 😂 My bad. I read it but it didn't register. I am chastened. 😢 Now you've cleared that up for me it smacks a teeny bit of the theory that 10% of feck all is feck all. One wonders why the great British populace is so reluctant to turn out to vote upon things such as who represents us in parliament, and what system we should use to determine who they might be. Is it laziness? Ignorance? Lack of will? Perhaps the electorate (those than can’t be arsed getting out of bed anyway) have cottoned on to the fact that it doesn’t matter who’s in. We will be fecked over and lied to as we were previously. At least Labour are egalitarian in their ministerial appointments-we now have an uneducated and slack jawed trollop in a position of considerable authority. Don’t even get me started on (deleted on legal advice…)
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Jul 7, 2024 19:55:30 GMT
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Post by lazarus on Jul 7, 2024 19:55:30 GMT
Uneducated, slack jawed,LYING trollop.
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Post by colebridgebull on Jul 8, 2024 7:23:23 GMT
That comment says far more about those who have made it than the intended recipient.
What is it about successful women that triggers some “men” of a certain age?
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Jul 8, 2024 8:29:50 GMT
Post by White Lightning on Jul 8, 2024 8:29:50 GMT
That comment says far more about those who have made it than the intended recipient. What is it about successful women that triggers some “men” of a certain age? I thought they were talking about MT when I saw the word Trollop.
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Jul 8, 2024 9:07:14 GMT
Post by wyesidewiththebulls on Jul 8, 2024 9:07:14 GMT
😂 My bad. I read it but it didn't register. I am chastened. 😢 Now you've cleared that up for me it smacks a teeny bit of the theory that 10% of feck all is feck all. One wonders why the great British populace is so reluctant to turn out to vote upon things such as who represents us in parliament, and what system we should use to determine who they might be. Is it laziness? Ignorance? Lack of will? All 3 Hawkeye. People in general just don’t seem to be as engaged as they were. All kinds of reasons I suppose, but a biggie is that over the last 40 years, those who govern us have become more removed from the population as a whole and have effectively morphed into a ruling elite. The rest of the population feels unrepresented, so either doesn’t bother or is drawn to a rabble rousing group. How else would you explain the emergence of Reform? "Twelve voices were shouting in anger, and they were all alike. No question, now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. the creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again: but already it was impossible to say which was which"
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Post by Saul Goodman on Jul 8, 2024 17:20:00 GMT
That comment says far more about those who have made it than the intended recipient. What is it about successful women that triggers some “men” of a certain age? This has made me laugh when considering comments regarding the likes of, say, Margaret Thatcher, Suella Braverman or Marine Le Pen. What is it about "men" of a certain age and a particular political persuasion that leads them to decry abrasive comments about successful women of the left, yet seem to be happy to accommodate similarly abrasive comments about successful women to the right of the political spectrum? I post this not because I particularly endorse the merits or otherwise of the three I mention, but in the interest of balance. The left always seems to be indignant about such matters, the right always seems to lose focus. On everything. A true reflection of the state of our nation, I suppose.
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Post by colebridgebull on Jul 8, 2024 17:46:35 GMT
The difference is pretty obvious I would have thought. LePen, Patel and Braverman have been “attacked” on the basis of their political stance and policies . Much as Thatcher was. Rarely on the basis of their colour, upbringing or sex.
I refer you to the persistent attacks on Abbott and Rayner which are very much to do with their sex, upbringing and colour, and rarely, if ever, on policy. Our rather strange poster, Lazarus, is so triggered by Rayner that he even resorts to capital letters, so vitriolic is his ire.
Happy for you to pull me up and direct me to any occasion where I may have adopted the approach I am happy to criticise above. Either on here or any SM platform.
Call me woke if you like. It really isn’t an insult, despite what some may think. I’m happy to call out misogyny and bigotry wherever I see it.
And you’re making quite the assumption about political leanings of whatever hue. I didn’t vote Labour last week, or for any “left wing” party.
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Post by Barney still in B-Block on Jul 8, 2024 20:19:09 GMT
The difference is pretty obvious I would have thought. LePen, Patel and Braverman have been “attacked” on the basis of their political stance and policies . Much as Thatcher was. Rarely on the basis of their colour, upbringing or sex. I refer you to the persistent attacks on Abbott and Rayner which are very much to do with their sex, upbringing and colour, and rarely, if ever, on policy. Our rather strange poster, Lazarus, is so triggered by Rayner that he even resorts to capital letters, so vitriolic is his ire. Happy for you to pull me up and direct me to any occasion where I may have adopted the approach I am happy to criticise above. Either on here or any SM platform. Call me woke if you like. It really isn’t an insult, despite what some may think. I’m happy to call out misogyny and bigotry wherever I see it. And you’re making quite the assumption about political leanings of whatever hue. I didn’t vote Labour last week, or for any “left wing” party. Nicely put, but you forgot to mention height. Still haven’t figured out why, but is recurring theme in some folks spittle-flecked rantings on these pages.
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Jul 8, 2024 20:48:10 GMT
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Post by mikeunderpenyard on Jul 8, 2024 20:48:10 GMT
The difference is pretty obvious I would have thought. LePen, Patel and Braverman have been “attacked” on the basis of their political stance and policies . Much as Thatcher was. Rarely on the basis of their colour, upbringing or sex. I refer you to the persistent attacks on Abbott and Rayner which are very much to do with their sex, upbringing and colour, and rarely, if ever, on policy. Our rather strange poster, Lazarus, is so triggered by Rayner that he even resorts to capital letters, so vitriolic is his ire. Happy for you to pull me up and direct me to any occasion where I may have adopted the approach I am happy to criticise above. Either on here or any SM platform. Call me woke if you like. It really isn’t an insult, despite what some may think. I’m happy to call out misogyny and bigotry wherever I see it. And you’re making quite the assumption about political leanings of whatever hue. I didn’t vote Labour last week, or for any “left wing” party. very eloquently put. Mid year potential POTY.
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Jul 8, 2024 20:50:49 GMT
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Post by lazarus on Jul 8, 2024 20:50:49 GMT
The difference is pretty obvious I would have thought. LePen, Patel and Braverman have been “attacked” on the basis of their political stance and policies . Much as Thatcher was. Rarely on the basis of their colour, upbringing or sex. I refer you to the persistent attacks on Abbott and Rayner which are very much to do with their sex, upbringing and colour, and rarely, if ever, on policy. Our rather strange poster, Lazarus, is so triggered by Rayner that he even resorts to capital letters, so vitriolic is his ire. Happy for you to pull me up and direct me to any occasion where I may have adopted the approach I am happy to criticise above. Either on here or any SM platform. Call me woke if you like. It really isn’t an insult, despite what some may think. I’m happy to call out misogyny and bigotry wherever I see it. And you’re making quite the assumption about political leanings of whatever hue. I didn’t vote Labour last week, or for any “left wing” party. Happy to be a strange poster if that puts me apart from the left wing cabal on this forum. Rayner gets away with calling political opponents scum,partying on curry and beer with colleagues and lying about her main residence contrary to evidence from multiple neighbours ( no doubt helped by Police and Crime Commissioner Andy Burnham. I did not vote for the Extinction Rebellion candidate in North Herefordshire
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Jul 8, 2024 20:53:52 GMT
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Post by mikeunderpenyard on Jul 8, 2024 20:53:52 GMT
The difference is pretty obvious I would have thought. LePen, Patel and Braverman have been “attacked” on the basis of their political stance and policies . Much as Thatcher was. Rarely on the basis of their colour, upbringing or sex. I refer you to the persistent attacks on Abbott and Rayner which are very much to do with their sex, upbringing and colour, and rarely, if ever, on policy. Our rather strange poster, Lazarus, is so triggered by Rayner that he even resorts to capital letters, so vitriolic is his ire. Happy for you to pull me up and direct me to any occasion where I may have adopted the approach I am happy to criticise above. Either on here or any SM platform. Call me woke if you like. It really isn’t an insult, despite what some may think. I’m happy to call out misogyny and bigotry wherever I see it. And you’re making quite the assumption about political leanings of whatever hue. I didn’t vote Labour last week, or for any “left wing” party. Happy to be a strange poster if that puts me apart from the left wing cabal on this forum. Rayner gets away with calling political opponents scum,partying on curry and beer with colleagues and lying about her main residence contrary to evidence from multiple neighbours ( no doubt helped by Police and Crime Commissioner Andy Burnham. I did not vote for the Extinction Rebellion candidate in North Hertfordshire NURSE!
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Jul 8, 2024 20:54:48 GMT
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Post by lazarus on Jul 8, 2024 20:54:48 GMT
Happy to be a strange poster if that puts me apart from the left wing cabal on this forum. Rayner gets away with calling political opponents scum,partying on curry and beer with colleagues and lying about her main residence contrary to evidence from multiple neighbours ( no doubt helped by Police and Crime Commissioner Andy Burnham. I did not vote for the Extinction Rebellion candidate in North Hertfordshire NURSE! I rest my case
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Jul 8, 2024 21:01:20 GMT
Post by sevenoaksbull on Jul 8, 2024 21:01:20 GMT
The difference is pretty obvious I would have thought. LePen, Patel and Braverman have been “attacked” on the basis of their political stance and policies . Much as Thatcher was. Rarely on the basis of their colour, upbringing or sex. I refer you to the persistent attacks on Abbott and Rayner which are very much to do with their sex, upbringing and colour, and rarely, if ever, on policy. Our rather strange poster, Lazarus, is so triggered by Rayner that he even resorts to capital letters, so vitriolic is his ire. Happy for you to pull me up and direct me to any occasion where I may have adopted the approach I am happy to criticise above. Either on here or any SM platform. Call me woke if you like. It really isn’t an insult, despite what some may think. I’m happy to call out misogyny and bigotry wherever I see it. And you’re making quite the assumption about political leanings of whatever hue. I didn’t vote Labour last week, or for any “left wing” party. Happy to be a strange poster if that puts me apart from the left wing cabal on this forum. Rayner gets away with calling political opponents scum,partying on curry and beer with colleagues and lying about her main residence contrary to evidence from multiple neighbours ( no doubt helped by Police and Crime Commissioner Andy Burnham. I did not vote for the Extinction Rebellion candidate in North Herefordshire Just wondering, isn’t Andy Burnham the metro mayor for Greater Manchester? I think the PCC is a different elected official and so far as I’m aware, it can’t be the elected mayor. No doubt others will correct me if that is not the case. Chances are the GM PCC will either be Labour or independent, I just can’t be @rsed to look it up. But whoever they are, they cannot get involved in operational decisions of the police force they oversee.
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Post by White Lightning on Jul 8, 2024 21:14:39 GMT
Happy to be a strange poster if that puts me apart from the left wing cabal on this forum. Rayner gets away with calling political opponents scum,partying on curry and beer with colleagues and lying about her main residence contrary to evidence from multiple neighbours ( no doubt helped by Police and Crime Commissioner Andy Burnham. I did not vote for the Extinction Rebellion candidate in North Herefordshire Just wondering, isn’t Andy Burnham the metro mayor for Greater Manchester? I think the PCC is a different elected official and so far as I’m aware, it can’t be the elected mayor. No doubt others will correct me if that is not the case. Chances are the GM PCC will either be Labour or independent, I just can’t be @rsed to look it up. But whoever they are, they cannot get involved in operational decisions of the police force they oversee. Jim Gordon is the Police Commissioner.
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Jul 8, 2024 22:00:24 GMT
Post by colebridgebull on Jul 8, 2024 22:00:24 GMT
The difference is pretty obvious I would have thought. LePen, Patel and Braverman have been “attacked” on the basis of their political stance and policies . Much as Thatcher was. Rarely on the basis of their colour, upbringing or sex. I refer you to the persistent attacks on Abbott and Rayner which are very much to do with their sex, upbringing and colour, and rarely, if ever, on policy. Our rather strange poster, Lazarus, is so triggered by Rayner that he even resorts to capital letters, so vitriolic is his ire. Happy for you to pull me up and direct me to any occasion where I may have adopted the approach I am happy to criticise above. Either on here or any SM platform. Call me woke if you like. It really isn’t an insult, despite what some may think. I’m happy to call out misogyny and bigotry wherever I see it. And you’re making quite the assumption about political leanings of whatever hue. I didn’t vote Labour last week, or for any “left wing” party. Happy to be a strange poster if that puts me apart from the left wing cabal on this forum. Rayner gets away with calling political opponents scum,partying on curry and beer with colleagues and lying about her main residence contrary to evidence from multiple neighbours ( no doubt helped by Police and Crime Commissioner Andy Burnham. I did not vote for the Extinction Rebellion candidate in North Herefordshire. “Partying on curry and beer”-aka eating and drinking while engaged in lawful activity. ”lying about her main residence” -aka acting entirely lawfully despite the best efforts of desperate Tories and Client journalists to suggest otherwise As confirmed both by GMP and HMRC. I’ll give you the scum comment, (which she subsequently apologized for) but it’s a bit odd to condemn for her language by using worse. Like those clowns who give it to players during games, but get terribly precious if they get it back. As pointed out by others, Andy Burnham is not the PCC. And as also pointed out, the PCC has no role or influence in any criminal investigation.
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Jul 8, 2024 22:14:34 GMT
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Post by Saul Goodman on Jul 8, 2024 22:14:34 GMT
The difference is pretty obvious I would have thought. LePen, Patel and Braverman have been “attacked” on the basis of their political stance and policies . Much as Thatcher was. Rarely on the basis of their colour, upbringing or sex. I refer you to the persistent attacks on Abbott and Rayner which are very much to do with their sex, upbringing and colour, and rarely, if ever, on policy. Our rather strange poster, Lazarus, is so triggered by Rayner that he even resorts to capital letters, so vitriolic is his ire. Happy for you to pull me up and direct me to any occasion where I may have adopted the approach I am happy to criticise above. Either on here or any SM platform. Call me woke if you like. It really isn’t an insult, despite what some may think. I’m happy to call out misogyny and bigotry wherever I see it. And you’re making quite the assumption about political leanings of whatever hue. I didn’t vote Labour last week, or for any “left wing” party. That's a big edit to your original response. Rayner was white the last time I looked. I won't 'pull you up on SM' (social media?) as I don't participate on any of those platforms. Calling Tories 'scum' qualifies as a bigoted comment in my book. I made no assumption about your political leanings. All that said, I'm happy to debate such issues with you with what I hope is mutual respect.
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