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Post by Saul Goodman on Jul 5, 2024 9:55:32 GMT
Well done North Herefordshire. Fecking nutcases. Just drove back from Leominster and several Easy Lawn lorries were unloading their pallets of turf along side the bypass. To be fair she does not hang about. That is supremely funny. Were you able to establish when the new MP will next be joining an Extinction Rebellion demonstration?
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Post by GRL on Jul 5, 2024 12:33:11 GMT
So, Starmer's nonentities gain precisely 1 per cent of the vote more than the disgraced Corbyn shower.
Instead of going to the Palace (in Gareth Davies's footsteps) he should have done the decent thing - like Sunak.
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Post by Saul Goodman on Jul 5, 2024 14:41:14 GMT
Never mind all that, look at the votes cast for Farage's lot and the number of seats they won compared to the votes cast for Ed Davey's crew and the seats they won.
Makes little sense to me. First past the post should be discarded in favour of PR.
And the low turnout suggests a degree of lethargy and general disaffection regarding the political system as it currently exists.
In my opinion.
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Jul 5, 2024 15:13:35 GMT
Post by Barney still in B-Block on Jul 5, 2024 15:13:35 GMT
So, Starmer's nonentities gain precisely 1 per cent of the vote more than the disgraced Corbyn shower. Instead of going to the Palace (in Gareth Davies's footsteps) he should have done the decent thing - like Sunak. Thanks for pointing out (in your usual complimentary way) the bleedin' obvious, Sybil, but what, pray tell, would be your solution? Had Starmer actually done the decent thing? PS. If Sunak had indeed gone down the 'decent thing' path, he would, as fifth or sixth choice for the job, have declined the invitation to be PM in the first place.
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Post by eggchaserbull on Jul 5, 2024 15:29:20 GMT
Never mind all that, look at the votes cast for Farage's lot and the number of seats they won compared to the votes cast for Ed Davey's crew and the seats they won. Makes little sense to me. First past the post should be discarded in favour of PR. And the low turnout suggests a degree of lethargy and general disaffection regarding the political system as it currently exists. In my opinion. It's worrying the number of votes Reform received; I can now see Labour struggling in the shortish time frame of 5 years to get the country out of the shite position the Tories put it in. The electorate will become impatient, as they're basically a short attention span electorate, and the Tories and Reform join together under Farage to become a Nationalist party and win the next election. Ironic that, having been the catalyst of taking us out of Europe, Farage wants our government to align with what is happening all over Europe.
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Post by sevenoaksbull on Jul 5, 2024 15:58:51 GMT
Despite the general media whooping for the Starmer victory, little will change and the sleazeballs who hang around in the background to influence policy won’t go away anytime soon. They’ve been assiduously courting Starmer and Reeves for over a year and many of the ideas being touted by these self interested groups will find their way into policy. Not hard when you consider how light on detail the Labour manifesto was. There will sadly be no discernable difference between the incoming lot and the outgoing lot over the course of the next Parliamnent, not least because there isn’t the money or the talent available to deliver the change needed.
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Post by White Lightning on Jul 5, 2024 18:22:58 GMT
The big stuff is starting to come out. No football league stadium is in a Tory constituency.
Until August 2027 at least.
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Post by lazarus on Jul 5, 2024 18:46:48 GMT
I needed an extinction rebellion, by-pass scrapping green MP like a fish needs a bicycle.
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Jul 6, 2024 9:09:12 GMT
Post by GRL on Jul 6, 2024 9:09:12 GMT
King Charles III: "Where's he got to now, major?"
Equerry: "He's still in the bloody Ladies, sir."
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Post by sortitoutwebbbull on Jul 6, 2024 10:20:31 GMT
Despite the general media whooping for the Starmer victory, little will change and the sleazeballs who hang around in the background to influence policy won’t go away anytime soon. They’ve been assiduously courting Starmer and Reeves for over a year and many of the ideas being touted by these self interested groups will find their way into policy. Not hard when you consider how light on detail the Labour manifesto was. There will sadly be no discernable difference between the incoming lot and the outgoing lot over the course of the next Parliamnent, not least because there isn’t the money or the talent available to deliver the change needed. How do you know that?
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Post by eggchaserbull on Jul 6, 2024 10:47:19 GMT
I needed an extinction rebellion, by-pass scrapping green MP like a fish needs a bicycle. If bypasses are being scrapped by the Greens, presumably for cycle paths, after the sh!te state the Tories allowed our waterways to get into that fish may find a bicycle handy to get about.
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Jul 6, 2024 12:18:01 GMT
via mobile
Post by Saul Goodman on Jul 6, 2024 12:18:01 GMT
Never mind all that, look at the votes cast for Farage's lot and the number of seats they won compared to the votes cast for Ed Davey's crew and the seats they won. Makes little sense to me. First past the post should be discarded in favour of PR. And the low turnout suggests a degree of lethargy and general disaffection regarding the political system as it currently exists. In my opinion. It's worrying the number of votes Reform received; I can now see Labour struggling in the shortish time frame of 5 years to get the country out of the shite position the Tories put it in. The electorate will become impatient, as they're basically a short attention span electorate, and the Tories and Reform join together under Farage to become a Nationalist party and win the next election. Ironic that, having been the catalyst of taking us out of Europe, Farage wants our government to align with what is happening all over Europe. Interesting, really, isn't it? Of those who bothered to turn out to vote, 14% voted Reform and the party secured 5 seats, yet just 12% voted LibDem but they secured 71 seats. That does seem somewhat undemocratic to me. To quote the new PM's buzzword, is it now time for change to our election structure?
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Jul 6, 2024 12:52:54 GMT
Post by glawsterwhite on Jul 6, 2024 12:52:54 GMT
Absolutely right Hawkeye. I’ve believed that we need pr for years. This latest election result demonstrates why very clearly ! We have a crazy system in terms of party representation at Westminster.
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Jul 6, 2024 12:59:49 GMT
Post by glawsterwhite on Jul 6, 2024 12:59:49 GMT
The knockers are already out saying stuff like : Nothing will change All parties are the same Taxes will go up Never trust labour Things will get worse under labour I don’t trust any of them Etc etc etc . Why don’t all these Hancocks run for parliament themselves if nobody else is up to it ? How can things get any worse for the uk - we’ve had a bunch of feckless tossers in power who care nothing for the average citizen … are people just too stupid to see it ? Time to give someone else the chance to make some improvement although i do think it will take more than 1 term given the state we are in.
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Post by GRL on Jul 6, 2024 14:23:28 GMT
Yes. People are too stupid.
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Jul 6, 2024 15:32:57 GMT
Post by eggchaserbull on Jul 6, 2024 15:32:57 GMT
Absolutely right Hawkeye. I’ve believed that we need pr for years. This latest election result demonstrates why very clearly ! We have a crazy system in terms of party representation at Westminster. We had a referendum in 2011 to see if the UK electorate wanted PR; they voted 2/3 against it, probably because they don't understand it. Also, only 42% of the electorate bothered to vote in the referendum, probably because they were too busy watching Loose Women/Eastenders/Love Island or some of the other intellectual programmes they seem to find so engrossing.
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Jul 6, 2024 17:10:06 GMT
Post by Incognito on Jul 6, 2024 17:10:06 GMT
IF they did introduce PR, how would they select which candidates sat in Westminster?
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Jul 6, 2024 19:24:15 GMT
Post by sevenoaksbull on Jul 6, 2024 19:24:15 GMT
Despite the general media whooping for the Starmer victory, little will change and the sleazeballs who hang around in the background to influence policy won’t go away anytime soon. They’ve been assiduously courting Starmer and Reeves for over a year and many of the ideas being touted by these self interested groups will find their way into policy. Not hard when you consider how light on detail the Labour manifesto was. There will sadly be no discernable difference between the incoming lot and the outgoing lot over the course of the next Parliamnent, not least because there isn’t the money or the talent available to deliver the change needed. How do you know that? As I say, there is insufficient money and not enough talent available to make any meaningful change. Reeves has very little financial headroom and any significant change will take more than the length of this Parliament to show any positive effect. We will see lots of spin and window dressing, but nothing of substance, so not much change to what the last Government was doing. My expertise is in housing and for all that Labour’s plans on housing supply are needed, the only way we will see a significant increase in affordable housing is by the use of private money. The existing publicly owned landlords (Councils) or subsidised private providers (Housing Associations) have no financial capacity to build more homes at the scale needed; all of their resource is going into building safety work and improvements to existing stock to meet consumer standards. The Government simply can’t afford to finance the extra homes needed, so will rely on private investors - like pension funds and life funds. Labour recognise this and will just keep doing what the Conservatives did, with maybe a few tweaks around the edges. How do I know? Because I’ve been in the room when they have had these discussions with the senior people of the housing world. You can also be sure that the Health service will turn to private capital and resources - Streeting pretty much admitted as much.
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Post by glawsterwhite on Jul 7, 2024 12:34:32 GMT
“Little will change” - except we won’t have to look at and listen to muppets like Johnson, truss, dorries, Patel, Rees mogg etal anything quite as much now !
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Post by youngsalmon on Jul 7, 2024 13:01:46 GMT
67.9% of people voted against the Alternative Vote system (PR) in 2011. You had your chance. Just unlucky for Reform that they have emerged since then.
Unless you want to hold 2 Referenda, a job lot on the same day, PR and Brexit of course, to right the wrongs of the past.
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