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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2023 18:08:30 GMT
It is one of the few "trades" which is a proper job.
Teachers probably another one.
Add coppers and the fire service. The military.
There are also loads of scientific dudes in the background making really clever stuff happen.
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Post by mikeunderpenyard on Apr 17, 2023 19:10:32 GMT
It is one of the few "trades" which is a proper job. Teachers probably another one. Add coppers and the fire service. The military. There are also loads of scientific dudes in the background making really clever stuff happen. you missed traffic wardens off your list.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2023 19:30:42 GMT
It is one of the few "trades" which is a proper job. Teachers probably another one. Add coppers and the fire service. The military. There are also loads of scientific dudes in the background making really clever stuff happen. you missed traffic wardens off your list. And just stop oil protestors. I did miss carers. The country would collapse without them.
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Post by Barney still in B-Block on Apr 17, 2023 19:33:07 GMT
Listening to the trainer of Hill Sixteen, Sandy Thomson, the horse who did not, sadly, survive his fall at the first fence, he considers the delay to the start effected by these law-breakers caused his horse's death. He would say that, but until Beryl from Bexhill has had her thruppence worth, preferably on the pages of the Telegraph, I call bullsh1t.
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Post by mikeunderpenyard on Apr 17, 2023 19:42:20 GMT
Listening to the trainer of Hill Sixteen, Sandy Thomson, the horse who did not, sadly, survive his fall at the first fence, he considers the delay to the start effected by these law-breakers caused his horse's death. He would say that, but until Beryl from Bexhill has had her thruppence worth, preferably on the pages of the Telegraph, I call bullsh1t. The bloke who said that had has already rowed back a little.
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Post by GRL on Apr 18, 2023 7:46:40 GMT
In 2012, there were about 100,000 doctors in England's Hospital and community health sector. Today it is 132,000. The NHS pay bill rose from £50 billion in 2017 to £68 billion n 2021. Allowing for inflation, that's 26 per cent in five years. For every £10 they earn the NHS pays them £2 in pension. Junior doctors are striking (and killing people) because they think they should be more expensive. But the needs of the British public and the economics of the medical job market both point to a future where doctors are cheaper. There you are, there's some more "sh!t" for you and the other leftie illiterates on here to stomach(e). You ‘forgot’ to mention the terrifying rate of increasing vacancies in the clinical side of the NHS. That’s doctors, nurses, physios and so on. They’re all going to work in Canada and Australia. It’s unsustainable wain, unless conditions and wages are improved to the point where the murdering feckers stop fecking off to the fecking colonies. It’s really that simple. And you’re very welcome. Utter tripe. Despite regular threats to the contrary, few UK-trained medics really do emigrate to work in Australia or elsewhere. And doctors who leave medicine rarely find career that offer comparable pay progression, status or pension provision. Sort yourselves out. Disgrace.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2023 8:20:10 GMT
If it's that good then why is there a shortage of people willing to do it for the money offered?
If you haven't got your health then you haven't got much. Could do with a few fewer bullshit jobs and channel the money into proper ones, if you ask me.
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Post by Peroni on Apr 18, 2023 8:45:56 GMT
What are the bullshit jobs?
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Post by Barney still in B-Block on Apr 18, 2023 10:16:35 GMT
You ‘forgot’ to mention the terrifying rate of increasing vacancies in the clinical side of the NHS. That’s doctors, nurses, physios and so on. They’re all going to work in Canada and Australia. It’s unsustainable wain, unless conditions and wages are improved to the point where the murdering feckers stop fecking off to the fecking colonies. It’s really that simple. And you’re very welcome. Utter tripe. Despite regular threats to the contrary, few UK-trained medics really do emigrate to work in Australia or elsewhere. And doctors who leave medicine rarely find career that offer comparable pay progression, status or pension provision. Sort yourselves out. Disgrace. Your depth of knowledge on this, and TBFL, countless other subjects is awe inspiring wain, I don’t know how you do it, bravo. I shall ignore the countless informed, carefully and accountably researched, data backed articles, because an attention-seeking skittles player who has never worked in Healthcare or workforce analysis knows so much better.
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Post by Peroni on Apr 18, 2023 10:48:01 GMT
And you get his insight for free, no need to pay a subscription for the newsfeed.
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Post by GRL on Apr 18, 2023 14:06:04 GMT
Utter tripe. Despite regular threats to the contrary, few UK-trained medics really do emigrate to work in Australia or elsewhere. And doctors who leave medicine rarely find career that offer comparable pay progression, status or pension provision. Sort yourselves out. Disgrace. Your depth of knowledge on this, and TBFL, countless other subjects is awe inspiring wain, I don’t know how you do it, bravo. I shall ignore the countless informed, carefully and accountably researched, data backed articles, because an attention-seeking skittles player who has never worked in Healthcare or workforce analysis knows so much better. Interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2023 15:38:36 GMT
What are the bullshit jobs? Most of them. This is a broad overview: 1) flunkies, who serve to make their superiors feel important, e.g., receptionists, administrative assistants, door attendants, store greeters; 2) goons, who act to harm or deceive others on behalf of their employer, or to prevent other goons from doing so, e.g., lobbyists, corporate lawyers, telemarketers, public relations specialists; 3) duct tapers, who temporarily fix problems that could be fixed permanently, e.g., programmers repairing shoddy code, airline desk staff who calm passengers whose bags do not arrive; 4) box tickers, who create the appearance that something useful is being done when it is not, e.g., survey administrators, in-house magazine journalists, corporate compliance officers; 5) taskmasters, who create extra work for those who do not need it, e.g., middle management, leadership professionals. (link)Personally, I think anything to do with money is bullshit. I tend to do a bullshit job half of the time as I'm asked for things to help inform opinion when I know the stuff which has been requested will just be looked at 4 hours into a biscuit-filled senior meeting where nobody actually understands anything. Thus making the whole exercise completely pointless. That sort of bullshit.
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Post by Barney still in B-Block on Apr 18, 2023 18:49:19 GMT
Your depth of knowledge on this, and TBFL, countless other subjects is awe inspiring wain, I don’t know how you do it, bravo. I shall ignore the countless informed, carefully and accountably researched, data backed articles, because an attention-seeking skittles player who has never worked in Healthcare or workforce analysis knows so much better. Interesting. Interesting how? You have actually worked in workforce analysis? If that is the case, you have even less of an excuse.
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Post by Monkey Tennis on Apr 18, 2023 19:51:46 GMT
That Hill Sixteen horse would almost certainly be alive today had it not been taken from Scotland to Liverpool last Saturday. I doubt that it was asked whether it wanted to be driven to Liverpool.
RIP Forced Horse. Hope you made some money for some yewmans during your time in this world.
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Post by GRL on Apr 18, 2023 20:16:00 GMT
Interesting how? You have actually worked in workforce analysis? If that is the case, you have even less of an excuse. A junior doctor who was newly qualified in 2010 is quite likely to be a registrar today. In NHS-speak, the 13-year journey from Foundation Year 1 to the Senior Trainee grade means a salary rising from £29,384 to £58, 398. Then there's pensions. Try to keep to the subject matter about these disgraceful liars that the British Medical Association has encouraged on to the picket line. Only 27 years, since you mention it. In the private sector. Where people had to do a days work. Or they were out on their ear.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2023 21:29:21 GMT
Interesting how? You have actually worked in workforce analysis? If that is the case, you have even less of an excuse. A junior doctor who was newly qualified in 2010 is quite likely to be a registrar today. In NHS-speak, the 13-year journey from Foundation Year 1 to the Senior Trainee grade means a salary rising from £29,384 to £58, 398. Then there's pensions. Try to keep to the subject matter about these disgraceful liars that the British Medical Association has encouraged on to the picket line. Only 27 years, since you mention it. In the private sector. Where people had to do a days work. Or they were out on their ear.Didn't that keep happening to you? That doubling of pay in a professional role from starting out to being 13 years in isn't wild is it? I would say that seems a fair expectation with average career progression if you have taken the trouble to go through all that education.
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Post by Barney still in B-Block on Apr 19, 2023 4:55:37 GMT
Interesting how? You have actually worked in workforce analysis? If that is the case, you have even less of an excuse. A junior doctor who was newly qualified in 2010 is quite likely to be a registrar today. In NHS-speak, the 13-year journey from Foundation Year 1 to the Senior Trainee grade means a salary rising from £29,384 to £58, 398. Then there's pensions. Try to keep to the subject matter about these disgraceful liars that the British Medical Association has encouraged on to the picket line. Only 27 years, since you mention it. In the private sector. Where people had to do a days work. Or they were out on their ear. The subject matter, since you mention it, wasn’t actually the “BMA encouraged picket-line liars”. It’s also moved on from the Grand National, significantly, but let’s assume for now that you’re correct in your earlier assertion (another survey I didn’t hear about, but hey, you’ve got plenty of previous that front) that “very few Doctors are emigrating to work in Australia and Canada”. If they’re not, they’re certainly going somewhere, otherwise just how would you explain the 136,000 (largely clinical) and ever rising number of vacancies in the NHS? (Something a lot closer to the subject matter, as it happens) There’s a massive, existential recruitment and retention problem within the NHS, unless you, with your expertise in the field, know otherwise It’s almost as though you have a vendetta against Doctors and Nurses, one that’s blinding you to a clear and obvious Tory sponsored assault on them and their professions.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2023 6:06:14 GMT
There are thousands of people in this country who earn £58k or more who do little more than bullshit their way through life. They're the problem, not the people who actually bother to help others.
Then of course there are professions such as footballers who earn wild sums of money for merely being shit at football...
Still, it's probably difficult for everyone what with a pint of milk costing £749.33 nowadays.
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Post by GRL on Apr 19, 2023 7:08:34 GMT
A junior doctor who was newly qualified in 2010 is quite likely to be a registrar today. In NHS-speak, the 13-year journey from Foundation Year 1 to the Senior Trainee grade means a salary rising from £29,384 to £58, 398. Then there's pensions. Try to keep to the subject matter about these disgraceful liars that the British Medical Association has encouraged on to the picket line. Only 27 years, since you mention it. In the private sector. Where people had to do a days work. Or they were out on their ear. The subject matter, since you mention it, wasn’t actually the “BMA encouraged picket-line liars”. It’s also moved on from the Grand National, significantly, but let’s assume for now that you’re correct in your earlier assertion (another survey I didn’t hear about, but hey, you’ve got plenty of previous that front) that “very few Doctors are emigrating to work in Australia and Canada”. If they’re not, they’re certainly going somewhere, otherwise just how would you explain the 136,000 (largely clinical) and ever rising number of vacancies in the NHS? (Something a lot closer to the subject matter, as it happens) There’s a massive, existential recruitment and retention problem within the NHS, unless you, with your expertise in the field, know otherwise It’s almost as though you have a vendetta against Doctors and Nurses, one that’s blinding you to a clear and obvious Tory sponsored assault on them and their professions. The supply of people who want to be doctors far exceeds the demand for doctors. Only about 16 per cent of applicants to medical school get places. For every junior doctor, there are four people who wanted their job. The persistent refusal to make greater use of this pool of would-be medical labour is one of the more baffling failures of British public policy in recent years. My own experience of the NHS has been reasonable, as it happens. Therefore my comments are made with the usual dispassionate objectivity. Try to equip yourself with better information if you want engage with me in a debate in future efforts.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2023 7:31:06 GMT
The subject matter, since you mention it, wasn’t actually the “BMA encouraged picket-line liars”. It’s also moved on from the Grand National, significantly, but let’s assume for now that you’re correct in your earlier assertion (another survey I didn’t hear about, but hey, you’ve got plenty of previous that front) that “very few Doctors are emigrating to work in Australia and Canada”. If they’re not, they’re certainly going somewhere, otherwise just how would you explain the 136,000 (largely clinical) and ever rising number of vacancies in the NHS? (Something a lot closer to the subject matter, as it happens) There’s a massive, existential recruitment and retention problem within the NHS, unless you, with your expertise in the field, know otherwise It’s almost as though you have a vendetta against Doctors and Nurses, one that’s blinding you to a clear and obvious Tory sponsored assault on them and their professions. The supply of people who want to be doctors far exceeds the demand for doctors. Only about 16 per cent of applicants to medical school get places. For every junior doctor, there are four people who wanted their job. The persistent refusal to make greater use of this pool of would-be medical labour is one of the more baffling failures of British public policy in recent years. My own experience of the NHS has been reasonable, as it happens. Therefore my comments are made with the usual dispassionate objectivity. Try to equip yourself with better information if you want engage with me in a debate in future efforts. That is brilliant. Good work.
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