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Post by swanbull on Apr 16, 2023 20:16:18 GMT
You don't half talk some sh!t sometimes wain. Well, it's factual that people died this week who would not have died if junior doctors had not been on strike. As for the philosophical question that lies at the heart of the racing debate - would it be better for all racehorses to have never been born? That way the accidental deaths of a few could never happen? These thoroughbred creatures are bred to race and unless there is racing, they cease to exist. It was notable, as always, that many of the horses that parted company with their riders in the National were still clearly enjoying themselves. Those who protest alienate many because they pursue their aims without much consideration for the law or for those who do not share their point of view. I look forward to your exposition of your own philosophy.
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Post by GRL on Apr 17, 2023 7:06:31 GMT
Listening to the trainer of Hill Sixteen, Sandy Thomson, the horse who did not, sadly, survive his fall at the first fence, he considers the delay to the start effected by these law-breakers caused his horse's death.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2023 7:51:32 GMT
I reckon next year they will try and disrupt it again. They know it raises awareness. Ordinarily I wouldn't be surprised if they got the race consigned to history, but there is so much money at stake that will never happen.
I guess it is like booze. If that was a new drug that someone stumbled upon (pardon the pun), it would start off as a legal high, then people would start saying "they smash what over each others heads?". Then it would soon get banned. That could never happen now because there is so much at stake.
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Post by GRL on Apr 17, 2023 7:58:49 GMT
I reckon next year they will try and disrupt it again. They know it raises awareness. Ordinarily I wouldn't be surprised if they got the race consigned to history, but there is so much money at stake that will never happen. I guess it is like booze. If that was a new drug that someone stumbled upon (pardon the pun), it would start off as a legal high, then people would start saying "they smash what over each others heads?". Then it would soon get banned. That could never happen now because there is so much at stake. The only thing it raises awareness about is themselves. Every one of them breaking the law and telling lies on a picket line seems to be the same person. A 29-year-old single woman with green hair.
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Post by Peroni on Apr 17, 2023 8:24:18 GMT
Which aspect causes the problem, age 29, single, woman, green hair or a specific combination?
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Post by Peroni on Apr 17, 2023 8:29:09 GMT
Of the 118 arrests the validity of the point can be ignored for those in possession of controlled drugs.
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Post by Jonny Dangerous on Apr 17, 2023 10:30:26 GMT
Perhaps, now that Labour have re-invented themselves as the party of Law and Order (sic), we'll see similar groups of nonentities disrupting NHS picket lines to highlight the fact that nurses and doctors are slaughtering human beings by withholding their services? You don't half talk some sh!t sometimes wain. Generous. I'd say "sometimes" was redundant here.
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Post by Peroni on Apr 17, 2023 10:35:42 GMT
You don't half talk some sh!t sometimes wain. Generous. I'd say "sometimes" was redundant here.
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Post by GRL on Apr 17, 2023 10:56:09 GMT
You don't half talk some sh!t sometimes wain. Generous. I'd say "sometimes" was redundant here. In 2012, there were about 100,000 doctors in England's Hospital and community health sector. Today it is 132,000. The NHS pay bill rose from £50 billion in 2017 to £68 billion n 2021. Allowing for inflation, that's 26 per cent in five years. For every £10 they earn the NHS pays them £2 in pension. Junior doctors are striking (and killing people) because they think they should be more expensive. But the needs of the British public and the economics of the medical job market both point to a future where doctors are cheaper. There you are, there's some more "sh!t" for you and the other leftie illiterates on here to stomach(e).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2023 11:56:07 GMT
Generous. I'd say "sometimes" was redundant here. In 2012, there were about 100,000 doctors in England's Hospital and community health sector. Today it is 132,000. The NHS pay bill rose from £50 billion in 2017 to £68 billion n 2021. Allowing for inflation, that's 26 per cent in five years. For every £10 they earn the NHS pays them £2 in pension. Junior doctors are striking (and killing people) because they think they should be more expensive. But the needs of the British public and the economics of the medical job market both point to a future where doctors are cheaper. There you are, there's some more "sh!t" for you and the other leftie illiterates on here to stomach(e). Their pension is one of the few perks beyond actual basic pay that there is in that game though isn't it? Unless you are a district nurse or whatever I don't think anyone gets company vehicles, bonus schemes, private medical insurance, days on the lash etc. They just get paid in a different way. It isn't the worse thing in the world to do, paying into someone's pension scheme. You can bet that whatever company current pensioners are drawing their final salary pensions from are in a whole world of pain. A lot of debt hidden in the dark corners of pension schemes, masked by unrealistic growth predictions.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2023 12:08:11 GMT
Out of interest I would hazard a guess that jockeys are in a pretty good pension scheme.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2023 12:21:08 GMT
Listening to the trainer of Hill Sixteen, Sandy Thomson, the horse who did not, sadly, survive his fall at the first fence, he considers the delay to the start effected by these law-breakers caused his horse's death. Sounds like another thick Farage. I would suggest that if the horse were galloping gayly in the wild it may not have been at the event. Even if the protestors did cause the death of the horse (which, of course, they didn't) it would merely be one death. One death to highlight the disgraceful treatment of all the others. Every day. Every week. Every month. For decades. Centuries...
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Post by GRL on Apr 17, 2023 12:48:27 GMT
Listening to the trainer of Hill Sixteen, Sandy Thomson, the horse who did not, sadly, survive his fall at the first fence, he considers the delay to the start effected by these law-breakers caused his horse's death. Sounds like another thick Farage. I would suggest that if the horse were galloping gayly in the wild it may not have been at the event. Even if the protestors did cause the death of the horse (which, of course, they didn't) it would merely be one death. One death to highlight the disgraceful treatment of all the others. Every day. Every week. Every month. For decades. Centuries... How old are you, Kilpeck? And have you got green hair?
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Post by GRL on Apr 17, 2023 12:51:54 GMT
In 2012, there were about 100,000 doctors in England's Hospital and community health sector. Today it is 132,000. The NHS pay bill rose from £50 billion in 2017 to £68 billion n 2021. Allowing for inflation, that's 26 per cent in five years. For every £10 they earn the NHS pays them £2 in pension. Junior doctors are striking (and killing people) because they think they should be more expensive. But the needs of the British public and the economics of the medical job market both point to a future where doctors are cheaper. There you are, there's some more "sh!t" for you and the other leftie illiterates on here to stomach(e). Their pension is one of the few perks beyond actual basic pay that there is in that game though isn't it? Unless you are a district nurse or whatever I don't think anyone gets company vehicles, bonus schemes, private medical insurance, days on the lash etc. They just get paid in a different way. It isn't the worse thing in the world to do, paying into someone's pension scheme. You can bet that whatever company current pensioners are drawing their final salary pensions from are in a whole world of pain. A lot of debt hidden in the dark corners of pension schemes, masked by unrealistic growth predictions. A medical career is a salary escalator that will carry many doctors to an income in retirement that's so big the Treasury is rewriting the law to accommodate medical pension pots worth £1 million. And in defiance of the Hippocratic Oath the feckers are trying to hold the country to ransom. Pull the other one.
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Post by GRL on Apr 17, 2023 12:53:23 GMT
Out of interest I would hazard a guess that jockeys are in a pretty good pension scheme. They're not on strike.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2023 12:56:30 GMT
Sounds like another thick Farage. I would suggest that if the horse were galloping gayly in the wild it may not have been at the event. Even if the protestors did cause the death of the horse (which, of course, they didn't) it would merely be one death. One death to highlight the disgraceful treatment of all the others. Every day. Every week. Every month. For decades. Centuries... How old are you, Kilpeck? And have you got green hair? No, but I'm very happy to report that I'm not a complete Farage.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2023 12:57:51 GMT
Out of interest I would hazard a guess that jockeys are in a pretty good pension scheme. They're not on strike. If this government had got to the conclusion that they will inevitably get to neither would the NHS be. No one has gained, the government have been very reluctant to follow the tried and tested method of negotiating. Didn't the transport minister admit that it would have just been cheaper to give them what they want?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2023 13:01:15 GMT
Their pension is one of the few perks beyond actual basic pay that there is in that game though isn't it? Unless you are a district nurse or whatever I don't think anyone gets company vehicles, bonus schemes, private medical insurance, days on the lash etc. They just get paid in a different way. It isn't the worse thing in the world to do, paying into someone's pension scheme. You can bet that whatever company current pensioners are drawing their final salary pensions from are in a whole world of pain. A lot of debt hidden in the dark corners of pension schemes, masked by unrealistic growth predictions. A medical career is a salary escalator that will carry many doctors to an income in retirement that's so big the Treasury is rewriting the law to accommodate medical pension pots worth £1 million. And in defiance of the Hippocratic Oath the feckers are trying to hold the country to ransom. Pull the other one. The pension pot tax limit, has it been raised in line with inflation? I have no idea, most things are stealthily used for tax grabs. Are you saying people in medicine are overpaid? A pretty worthwhile career. You compare them to people in sport and finance and their money isn't excessive I don't think.
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Post by Barney still in B-Block on Apr 17, 2023 17:38:49 GMT
Generous. I'd say "sometimes" was redundant here. In 2012, there were about 100,000 doctors in England's Hospital and community health sector. Today it is 132,000. The NHS pay bill rose from £50 billion in 2017 to £68 billion n 2021. Allowing for inflation, that's 26 per cent in five years. For every £10 they earn the NHS pays them £2 in pension. Junior doctors are striking (and killing people) because they think they should be more expensive. But the needs of the British public and the economics of the medical job market both point to a future where doctors are cheaper. There you are, there's some more "sh!t" for you and the other leftie illiterates on here to stomach(e). You ‘forgot’ to mention the terrifying rate of increasing vacancies in the clinical side of the NHS. That’s doctors, nurses, physios and so on. They’re all going to work in Canada and Australia. It’s unsustainable wain, unless conditions and wages are improved to the point where the murdering feckers stop fecking off to the fecking colonies. It’s really that simple. And you’re very welcome.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2023 17:45:49 GMT
The main point is this:
If it takes a few dead horses to stop people from cheering thousands of them to their miserable death, then so be it.
If it takes a few dead humans for for us all to value people who will each save hundreds of lives, then so be it.
That's it really.
Personally, the only reason I accept this way of life is because someone, somewhere is smart enough to look after me if I'm severely ill. Those people deserve protection and respect.
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