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Post by Incognito on Nov 12, 2018 13:32:06 GMT
Fair play you don't half talk some sh*t. No recollection of the Welsh c*nts remark and I was pretty attentive to everything that went on. The only players who slept in the Starlite Rooms (not the stand) were the three French lads who arrived unannounced late one afternoon. They were moved to Kidwells within a couple of days. No booze was taken by the players although a TV was removed on the final day. Agombar paid a large part of the footballing debts albeit in a tardy manner. Office staff were paid first and then promptly left. Lonsdale started dealing with the day to day matters because there was no-one else left to do it. Interestingly, I spoke to a former employee only a few days ago who confirmed that payment had been received. Once it became clear that the boycott wasn't going away, Agombar understandably stopped paying and walked away leaving Lonsdale to try to keep it going.They should never have been there. £200k would have cleared the immediate debts and the rest could have waited. One almighty fook-up by those purporting to be fans in order to get what they coveted for over a decade (the same gang that tried to get rid of Turner some years before). While I'm here, whoever it was that dragged up the "two-level demotion" comment needs to think about what they're suggesting. It was exactly what was required. Had HUFC not struggled for several seasons to survive financially at that level? Why do you think staying at Conference National level was suddenly going to be sustainable? Do you not realise that the very same outcome would have happened had the wonderful Hale click got their hands on it before Agomber (the new company was already registered before Agombar arrived)? What sort of squad do you think the Hale mob might have assembled for Conference National with their 800-gate budget? Wakey wakey. I have a lot of sympathy for your reading of the situation, but the above is not true. Agombar stepped away when he failed the FA "fit and proper" test (though in reality he never really let loose of the reins). He also knew that his non-payment of staff was one of the primary reasons for the boycott. If he wanted the boycott to go away, he was aware of what he needed to do. The reality is that he paid some of the club's debts, but did it begrudgingly, and didn't feel it was his responsibility. Andy Swallow, hardly a paragon of virtue himself, told me that he had to persuade Agombar to pay up! The other point you make about the two-division demotion being timely, and just what we needed might be right, but to attribute that motivation to Agombar is far-fetched to say the least. More likely he just didn't have the necessary funds to pay it. Incidentally, I was never sold on the idea that Agombar ultimately wanted to wind up the club. It was too much of an ego trip for him. Many of his friends were involved in football and he wanted to be like them. But he was still an existential threat to the club, due to his lack of financial resources and his basic incompetence. That was enough for me not to support him. Whether this makes me less of a "true fan" I don't know, but HUFC isn't a religion to me, and I don't check my values of decency and integrity at the turnstile. None of the Agombar period is problematic to me as a fan. What really sticks in my craw, and where I'm in total agreement with you, is the selfishness, arrogance and ego-driven behaviour on both sides of the fence, which led us down the Agombar path. We were let down by those purporting to represent us. Agomdale was a consequence, not a cause. And of course the true calibre of Hale/Watson/Williams/Webb/Eynon etc became very evident when they ultimately sold HUST down the river and took the new club for themselves. This is the board's mess. They wanted the power. Let them fix it. My involvement as a fan is limited to paying for match day tickets, until the constitution is re-written and all the old guard have moved on. Agombar was there long after he failed the test and was still calling the shots. He also continued to make payments when pushed. I'd guess it was into October before he really "walked".
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Post by somnambulist on Nov 12, 2018 14:04:37 GMT
I have a lot of sympathy for your reading of the situation, but the above is not true. Agombar stepped away when he failed the FA "fit and proper" test (though in reality he never really let loose of the reins). He also knew that his non-payment of staff was one of the primary reasons for the boycott. If he wanted the boycott to go away, he was aware of what he needed to do. The reality is that he paid some of the club's debts, but did it begrudgingly, and didn't feel it was his responsibility. Andy Swallow, hardly a paragon of virtue himself, told me that he had to persuade Agombar to pay up! The other point you make about the two-division demotion being timely, and just what we needed might be right, but to attribute that motivation to Agombar is far-fetched to say the least. More likely he just didn't have the necessary funds to pay it. Incidentally, I was never sold on the idea that Agombar ultimately wanted to wind up the club. It was too much of an ego trip for him. Many of his friends were involved in football and he wanted to be like them. But he was still an existential threat to the club, due to his lack of financial resources and his basic incompetence. That was enough for me not to support him. Whether this makes me less of a "true fan" I don't know, but HUFC isn't a religion to me, and I don't check my values of decency and integrity at the turnstile. None of the Agombar period is problematic to me as a fan. What really sticks in my craw, and where I'm in total agreement with you, is the selfishness, arrogance and ego-driven behaviour on both sides of the fence, which led us down the Agombar path. We were let down by those purporting to represent us. Agomdale was a consequence, not a cause. And of course the true calibre of Hale/Watson/Williams/Webb/Eynon etc became very evident when they ultimately sold HUST down the river and took the new club for themselves. This is the board's mess. They wanted the power. Let them fix it. My involvement as a fan is limited to paying for match day tickets, until the constitution is re-written and all the old guard have moved on. Agombar was there long after he failed the test and was still calling the shots. He also continued to make payments when pushed. I'd guess it was into October before he really "walked". I don't doubt that he was there. He was actually at the last but one court appearances. I know because he tried to pick fight with me. (I remember a leading member of HUST disowning my behaviour live on BBC H&W when I got home). As I said, he might have altered the paperwork but that only deceived the FA. It was always his baby.
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Post by Fireman Sam on Nov 12, 2018 14:07:08 GMT
Figures aside But that last bit isn't quite true i dont think. The purchaser wouldn't have ended up with a permission to sell off the 2 ends and make 500K from each. The Club, HUFC, could have been the only entity to have profited from the re-development of the leases. That's kinda the reason some people believe that the old club was allowed to die. It removed the leases that secured the money for the club and not an outside organisation/ individual To be fair to Keyte those leases were structured in a way that asset strippers couldn't just come in and remove them from the club. We saw exactly that scenario play out with Agombdale Arguably the way he structured them made the club less of a viable proposition to sell because there was no profit in it for someone else ... only the club. *edit: That's the point Jammo missed the other night.... An interesting post. But how do we square that with the deal that Agombar did with Keyte over the development (not that he had any intention of honouring it)? Do you think that Keyte was just so bitter by that stage that he just wanted to claw some of his losses back? To answer you and Gigantes above. Keytes deal with Agombar would presumably have only seen him paid out in the long term (i.e. once the development had been completed and had started turning a profit). Imagine that. A development that would have made the club profit year on year irrespective of what was going on playing wise. Any owner coming in might have had to commit some money but back then we were only 1 league away from gaining access to all sorts of grants to help with the cost. Makes all Webbs talk at the recent Fans forum of advertising boards being likely revenue streams pale into insignificance.... Also to call him bitter presumes that there was a credible alternative or HUST bid on the table (not something i think you believe Som). If there wasn't then what choice did he have? Better to roll and the dice and see what happened or let it go there and then? Depending on which sound bite/ bit of bravado you want to believe HUST either told him A) "Here's a quid now do one" or B) We want to look at the books but can't sign a NDA as our membership wont allow it but we'll come back to you (and they never did or certainly not in the public domain) which was the press release given and accepted by both HUST and Keyte at the time. Either way i think that history will prove that those leases were essential to a club in Hereford being a sustainable full time club IMHO.
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Post by Palms Halt on Nov 12, 2018 14:34:08 GMT
Either way i think that history will prove that those leases were essential to a club in Hereford being a sustainable full time club IMHO. Definitely. It wasn't just the word 'United' and nearly a century of history that was thrown in the bin, and makes a mockery of HFC being the only option. This whole thing is a Feckup of epic proportions.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 17:32:31 GMT
When people on here accuse us of killing our club, what did us insignificant numpties do wrong? What could we have done differently?
Also I saw one of those Central vans earlier and it made me think that Jewson's must be laughing till wee comes out.
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Post by Peroni on Nov 13, 2018 10:50:22 GMT
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Post by Palms Halt on Nov 13, 2018 15:32:49 GMT
When people on here accuse us of killing our club, what did us insignificant numpties do wrong? What could we have done differently? What do fans of other clubs do? Not counting Chester of course Also I saw one of those Central vans earlier and it made me think that Jewson's must be laughing till wee comes out. I don't follow what you're saying. Please explain.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 18:24:43 GMT
When people on here accuse us of killing our club, what did us insignificant numpties do wrong? What could we have done differently? What do fans of other clubs do? Not counting Chester of course Also I saw one of those Central vans earlier and it made me think that Jewson's must be laughing till wee comes out. I don't follow what you're saying. Please explain. What do other fans do? Not sure what you mean. Jewson's dodged a bullet in not having their name splashed across our shirts this season.
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Post by changeabull on Nov 14, 2018 7:36:41 GMT
I logged in just now expecting to see that Harris and Richards and their hangers-on were sacked after last night's game and am disgusted that these parasites are still spongeing off our club. All we have on Bulls News is the usual crap excuses about being unlucky, blah blah, not a sending off, we're a young, inexperienced team, etc etc.
No we haven't been unlucky, we've been sh1te in every game we've played under the Gloucester Mafia and it's clearly not going to get any better while they're still here. Do us all a favour and Feck off!
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