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Post by Palms Halt on Nov 12, 2018 9:48:46 GMT
When the club truly enters crisis mode, what are we going to do? Kill it off and start again? The positive would be starting off at level 7, rather than 8 this time.
I probably shouldn't say that as some power hungry chump will probably run with that idea (again).
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Post by changeabull on Nov 12, 2018 9:49:33 GMT
wellington must be getting massive crowds with all those real hereford fans no longer having a club to watch I can't have ever been a true fan really. Glad you admit it. However you can still be a true fan of Hereford FC; simply accept that the old club is gone, that HFC is a continuation of HFC in all but name and MOOVE ON.
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Post by Palms Halt on Nov 12, 2018 9:54:45 GMT
I can't have ever been a true fan really. Glad you admit it. However you can still be a true fan of Hereford FC; simply accept that the old club is gone, that HFC is a continuation of HFC in all but name and MOOVE ON. Which one are you? I just assume everyone on here with an ever changing name and avatar depicting an old school footballer is the same person.
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Post by Peroni on Nov 12, 2018 10:27:29 GMT
WTF have Wellington got to do with anything?
I was led to believe, that is where real fans of Hereford go to watch their football these days
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Post by Peroni on Nov 12, 2018 10:30:30 GMT
Phil Brown's available
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Post by somnambulist on Nov 12, 2018 10:55:41 GMT
Fair play you don’t half talk some sh*t. Agombar called us Welsh c*nts, he brought players in who slept in the stand and nicked all the booze. He brought players who were never announced to fans as proper signings, he was a crook without a pot to p%ss in who associated himself with like minded people. This club would never have continued with him at the helm. This current Board have made a terrible mistake and need to act now to stop us going down but this is the first time since reforming that we have hit trouble and fans like you post stuff like that saying we took an easy option.......it’s shame on you mate. Fair play you don't half talk some sh*t. No recollection of the Welsh c*nts remark and I was pretty attentive to everything that went on. The only players who slept in the Starlite Rooms (not the stand) were the three French lads who arrived unannounced late one afternoon. They were moved to Kidwells within a couple of days. No booze was taken by the players although a TV was removed on the final day. Agombar paid a large part of the footballing debts albeit in a tardy manner. Office staff were paid first and then promptly left. Lonsdale started dealing with the day to day matters because there was no-one else left to do it. Interestingly, I spoke to a former employee only a few days ago who confirmed that payment had been received. Once it became clear that the boycott wasn't going away, Agombar understandably stopped paying and walked away leaving Lonsdale to try to keep it going.They should never have been there. £200k would have cleared the immediate debts and the rest could have waited. One almighty fook-up by those purporting to be fans in order to get what they coveted for over a decade (the same gang that tried to get rid of Turner some years before). While I'm here, whoever it was that dragged up the "two-level demotion" comment needs to think about what they're suggesting. It was exactly what was required. Had HUFC not struggled for several seasons to survive financially at that level? Why do you think staying at Conference National level was suddenly going to be sustainable? Do you not realise that the very same outcome would have happened had the wonderful Hale click got their hands on it before Agomber (the new company was already registered before Agombar arrived)? What sort of squad do you think the Hale mob might have assembled for Conference National with their 800-gate budget? Wakey wakey. I have a lot of sympathy for your reading of the situation, but the above is not true. Agombar stepped away when he failed the FA "fit and proper" test (though in reality he never really let loose of the reins). He also knew that his non-payment of staff was one of the primary reasons for the boycott. If he wanted the boycott to go away, he was aware of what he needed to do. The reality is that he paid some of the club's debts, but did it begrudgingly, and didn't feel it was his responsibility. Andy Swallow, hardly a paragon of virtue himself, told me that he had to persuade Agombar to pay up! The other point you make about the two-division demotion being timely, and just what we needed might be right, but to attribute that motivation to Agombar is far-fetched to say the least. More likely he just didn't have the necessary funds to pay it. Incidentally, I was never sold on the idea that Agombar ultimately wanted to wind up the club. It was too much of an ego trip for him. Many of his friends were involved in football and he wanted to be like them. But he was still an existential threat to the club, due to his lack of financial resources and his basic incompetence. That was enough for me not to support him. Whether this makes me less of a "true fan" I don't know, but HUFC isn't a religion to me, and I don't check my values of decency and integrity at the turnstile. None of the Agombar period is problematic to me as a fan. What really sticks in my craw, and where I'm in total agreement with you, is the selfishness, arrogance and ego-driven behaviour on both sides of the fence, which led us down the Agombar path. We were let down by those purporting to represent us. Agomdale was a consequence, not a cause. And of course the true calibre of Hale/Watson/Williams/Webb/Eynon etc became very evident when they ultimately sold HUST down the river and took the new club for themselves. This is the board's mess. They wanted the power. Let them fix it. My involvement as a fan is limited to paying for match day tickets, until the constitution is re-written and all the old guard have moved on.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 11:17:36 GMT
"So you're saying that if Keyte had sold the club to someone else, we'd still have gone bust and had to reform as Hereford FC?" I'm saying that nobody from these parts offered anything. £200,000 was all that was required. Four mystery persons soon stumped that up between themselves to play at the same level as Westfields. But it wasn't just £200,000, was it? Your mate Keyte said himself back in March 2014 that the club needed £300,000 just to complete the Conference season, so presumably another couple of hundred grand would be needed to see us through the summer into the next season. He also said that "auditors have warned of 'significant doubt' as to whether the club can carry on." www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/26627401Add to that the fact the club was loosing thousands every week and that many fans had given up on the club altogether, I reckon you'd be looking at close to a million to save the old club. You can see why some felt the only option was to allow the old club to fail and start from scratch again. Initially, less in fact, but I was averaging two figures: The debate on 6th May, 2014 was what was an acceptable figure to walk. £100k was stated to an interested local party and another £200k over time. An accountant spent two days to get inside the figures. The conclusion was that it would have cost the interested local party approx. £700k to gain 60% ownership of the club. Another 8 or 9 significant shareholders (well-known luminaries closely involved with the club for many years), would have taken the interested local party up to 75%. The timeline for fund was: a) the unpaid wages and football creditors £148k to be paid by Conference AGM (7/6/2014); b) the HMRC £120k - though there was the possibility of a repayment plan with them; c) other trade creditors £150k and other directors' loans £105K as and when. Approx. half of the trade creditors needed to be paid immediately. The club's debts were used as the reason to kill HUFC (1939) Ltd. The club's debts were worse (£1.6k) in 2003 than in 2014.
"If the interested local party had gone for it and put in cash of a further £600-700k, he would have had a Conference club with running costs paid up to date. He would have had a 250 year lease of the ground with permission to sell off the two ends at a price of £500k each.
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Post by Peroni on Nov 12, 2018 11:48:09 GMT
My calculator is on the blink, but quite clearly that does seem to add up to approx £200K. Was a no brainer.
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Post by shabbaranks on Nov 12, 2018 12:21:39 GMT
It’s mildly interesting to read the Big Beasts of this forum go at each other, but only mildly. You can’t put the sh*t back in the horse so debating it seems utterly futile. Surely the board and Mr Harris & Mr Richards would love to see a ‘Just GO!!!’ thread aimed at them descend into bickering about years old grudges? Takes the heat off them, like peak-Mourinho - create a diversion of some sort so no one focuses on the fact he’s a busted flush.
Time to get back on topic, no?
The board have massively Fecked up.
What the Feck does Harris do?
Why is Simon Davey mk2 here?
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Post by Peroni on Nov 12, 2018 12:26:59 GMT
The board have massively Fecked up. #clueless
What the Feck does Harris do? #clueless
Why is Simon Davey mk2 here? #clueless
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Post by Peroni on Nov 12, 2018 12:29:36 GMT
those fa (#clueless) fit and proper tests were hilarious, hardly fit for purpose itself, yet how many of those scoundrels failed/would of failed it
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Post by Peroni on Nov 12, 2018 12:32:29 GMT
i thought no news was supposed to mean good news, not sure thats the case if no news coming out of the official site today can't even be bothered to confirm if certain frozen out players are actually injured or not #clueless
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Post by Peroni on Nov 12, 2018 12:40:09 GMT
The club's debts were worse (£1.6k) in 2003 than in 2014.
And no spicy soup in 2003 !
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Post by somnambulist on Nov 12, 2018 13:05:48 GMT
It’s mildly interesting to read the Big Beasts of this forum go at each other, but only mildly. You can’t put the sh*t back in the horse so debating it seems utterly futile. Surely the board and Mr Harris & Mr Richards would love to see a ‘Just GO!!!’ thread aimed at them descend into bickering about years old grudges? Takes the heat off them, like peak-Mourinho - create a diversion of some sort so no one focuses on the fact he’s a busted flush. Time to get back on topic, no? The board have massively Fecked up. What the Feck does Harris do? Why is Simon Davey mk2 here? Perhaps you are right. But I hold Harris and Richards least responsible. They certainly wouldn't be the first to apply for a highly qualified job, in the hope that someone might be dumb enough to give it to them. I also think that sacking them now would be counterproductive. At least if we haven't got a red-hot replacement ready to take over. Given that our last nationwide, extensive search for the perfectly qualified candidate landed in Gloucester, I would hazard a guess that we are not overly-endowed with good candidates.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 13:09:03 GMT
It’s mildly interesting to read the Big Beasts of this forum go at each other, but only mildly. You can’t put the sh*t back in the horse so debating it seems utterly futile. Surely the board and Mr Harris & Mr Richards would love to see a ‘Just GO!!!’ thread aimed at them descend into bickering about years old grudges? Takes the heat off them, like peak-Mourinho - create a diversion of some sort so no one focuses on the fact he’s a busted flush. Time to get back on topic, no? The board have massively Fecked up. What the Feck does Harris do? Why is Simon Davey mk2 here? Fair comment. I've addressed the situation eleswhere as it happens. To add to it, however, I watched the interview with Marc Richards conducted by Keith Hall. He is just about the least inspiring person I've ever heard, quite frankly. So Yes "Just Go." (Richards wasn't much better.)
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Post by Fireman Sam on Nov 12, 2018 13:11:06 GMT
"If the interested local party had gone for it and put in cash of a further £600-700k, he would have had a Conference club with running costs paid up to date. He would have had a 250 year lease of the ground with permission to sell off the two ends at a price of £500k each.
Figures aside But that last bit isn't quite true i dont think. The purchaser wouldn't have ended up with a permission to sell off the 2 ends and make 500K from each. The Club, HUFC, could have been the only entity to have profited from the re-development of the leases. That's kinda the reason some people believe that the old club was allowed to die. It removed the leases that secured the money for the club and not an outside organisation/ individual To be fair to Keyte those leases were structured in a way that asset strippers couldn't just come in and remove them from the club. We saw exactly that scenario play out with Agombdale Arguably the way he structured them made the club less of a viable proposition to sell because there was no profit in it for someone else ... only the club. *edit: That's the point Jammo missed the other night....
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Post by changeabull on Nov 12, 2018 13:22:06 GMT
"If the interested local party had gone for it and put in cash of a further £600-700k, he would have had a Conference club with running costs paid up to date. He would have had a 250 year lease of the ground with permission to sell off the two ends at a price of £500k each.
Figures aside But that last bit isn't quite true i dont think. The purchaser wouldn't have ended up with a permission to sell off the 2 ends and make 500K from each.
The Club, HUFC, could have been the only entity to have profited from the re-development of the leases. That's kinda the reason some people believe that the old club was allowed to die. It removed the leases that secured the money for the club and not an outside organisation/ individualTo be fair to Keyte those leases were structured in a way that asset strippers couldn't just come in and remove them from the club. We saw exactly that scenario play out with Agombdale Arguably the way he structured them made the club less of a viable proposition to sell because there was no profit in it for someone else ... only the club. *edit: That's the point Jammo missed the other night.... So, assuming wainwrong's figures are correct, any potentail buyer would have to stump up £600-700k to keep the club alive but wouldn't be able to take any personal profit from selling off the two ends? Now I'm no businessman but why would anyone agree to a deal like that?
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Post by Palms Halt on Nov 12, 2018 13:26:36 GMT
Figures aside But that last bit isn't quite true i dont think. The purchaser wouldn't have ended up with a permission to sell off the 2 ends and make 500K from each.
The Club, HUFC, could have been the only entity to have profited from the re-development of the leases. That's kinda the reason some people believe that the old club was allowed to die. It removed the leases that secured the money for the club and not an outside organisation/ individualTo be fair to Keyte those leases were structured in a way that asset strippers couldn't just come in and remove them from the club. We saw exactly that scenario play out with Agombdale Arguably the way he structured them made the club less of a viable proposition to sell because there was no profit in it for someone else ... only the club. *edit: That's the point Jammo missed the other night.... So, assuming wainwrong's figures are correct, any potentail buyer would have to stump up £600-700k to keep the club alive but wouldn't be able to take any personal profit from selling off the two ends? Now I'm no businessman but why would anyone agree to a deal like that? Makes you wonder why anyone bothered to keep clubs like Wrexham and Portsmouth going, despite their struggles. Should've just binned the clubs and their history off and started again
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Post by somnambulist on Nov 12, 2018 13:30:18 GMT
"If the interested local party had gone for it and put in cash of a further £600-700k, he would have had a Conference club with running costs paid up to date. He would have had a 250 year lease of the ground with permission to sell off the two ends at a price of £500k each.
Figures aside But that last bit isn't quite true i dont think. The purchaser wouldn't have ended up with a permission to sell off the 2 ends and make 500K from each. The Club, HUFC, could have been the only entity to have profited from the re-development of the leases. That's kinda the reason some people believe that the old club was allowed to die. It removed the leases that secured the money for the club and not an outside organisation/ individual To be fair to Keyte those leases were structured in a way that asset strippers couldn't just come in and remove them from the club. We saw exactly that scenario play out with Agombdale Arguably the way he structured them made the club less of a viable proposition to sell because there was no profit in it for someone else ... only the club. *edit: That's the point Jammo missed the other night.... An interesting post. But how do we square that with the deal that Agombar did with Keyte over the development (not that he had any intention of honouring it)? Do you think that Keyte was just so bitter by that stage that he just wanted to claw some of his losses back?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 13:32:06 GMT
But how do we square that with the deal that Agombar did with Keyte over the development (not that he had any intention of honouring it)? Do you think that Keyte was just so bitter by that stage that he just wanted to claw some of his losses back?
Redditch.
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