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Post by Incognito on Nov 11, 2018 17:21:47 GMT
Why did Agombar not pay ( come up with) the Conference Bond? No boycott that period . Comments Mr P ? Because to have paid would have meant at least another season being unsustainable. Why bother when it was only going to lead to further losses with, probably, a relegation at the end of it? Far better to go down to a level that should have been sustainable and build from there.
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Post by Barney still in B-Block on Nov 11, 2018 17:26:24 GMT
Thanks. So HUST had a role in not saving HUFC is the conclusion.And now HUST looks to be no more cash cow/fund raising arm for the current incarnation. Doesn’t look like HUST, in any shape or form, is prepared or capable to stand up to the current mess. Correct. Although I doubt if all but a handful actually knew what was going on. I would say that only two of the then HUST board knew what was really happening. Both ended up with lanyards. (Happy to be corrected by those involved if wrong.)
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Post by Barney still in B-Block on Nov 11, 2018 17:26:26 GMT
Thanks. So HUST had a role in not saving HUFC is the conclusion.And now HUST looks to be no more cash cow/fund raising arm for the current incarnation. Doesn’t look like HUST, in any shape or form, is prepared or capable to stand up to the current mess. Correct. Although I doubt if all but a handful actually knew what was going on. I would say that only two of the then HUST board knew what was really happening. Both ended up with lanyards. (Happy to be corrected by those involved if wrong.)
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Post by 242460 on Nov 11, 2018 17:29:05 GMT
Ha so he had the money ( or back up funds) and that was his original plan / intention ? Why bother with the Conference meetings at that time. Why not say “We are out” You believe he had the money?
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Post by Incognito on Nov 11, 2018 17:33:19 GMT
Ha so he had the money ( or back up funds) and that was his original plan / intention ? Why bother with the Conference meetings at that time. Why not say “We are out” You believe he had the money? Agombar had some. The outside money failed to materialise when the funders were met by a hostile reception at the players entrance.
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Post by 242460 on Nov 11, 2018 17:43:30 GMT
Any Idea on figures - or thoughts? What I find difficult to get around is “ hostility at the players entrance” That would have been - after - Conference W/E So how did that effect Mr Ag and his cohorts ?
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Post by changeabull on Nov 11, 2018 17:51:25 GMT
Ha so he had the money ( or back up funds) and that was his original plan / intention ? Why bother with the Conference meetings at that time. Why not say “We are out” You believe he had the money? Agombar had some. The outside money failed to materialise when the funders were met by a hostile reception at the players entrance. How gullible are you? There were no funders.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 17:54:26 GMT
Why did Agombar not pay ( come up with) the Conference Bond? No boycott that period . Comments Mr P ? Because to have paid would have meant at least another season being unsustainable. Why bother when it was only going to lead to further losses with, probably, a relegation at the end of it? Far better to go down to a level that should have been sustainable and build from there. Fair play you are an absolute disgrace of a man. I know you've dug yourself the biggest hole in human history but seriously when are you going to give this up. The absolute crap and lies you tell almost on a weekly basis is utterly unbelievable. Have you never come across an asset stripper before? The sad reality is that you really aren't that stupid but you let yourself be taken in because you couldn't face losing the club. I know this because I felt exactly the same. I wanted to believe almost anything if it meant that there was just small chance the club would survive. But in our last days and even now ffs you have the nerve to come on here and tell us that they really weren't that bad and that the club could have survived with them in charge. What's more is that you worked with them and allowed them to get away with it. For what's it worth I know people who worked in the office and never got paid. I still have the messages to prove it. But if anyone is to blame more for the club dying it is you. You stood by and allowed those crooks to run it into the ground. Any last chance of some one coming in with money to save the day was completely ruined the moment they took charge. I do hope that the soup money will keep you going for a few more years though. It was all worth it I'm sure.
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Post by MAXBULL on Nov 11, 2018 17:59:44 GMT
Why did Agombar not pay ( come up with) the Conference Bond? No boycott that period . Comments Mr P ? Because to have paid would have meant at least another season being unsustainable. Why bother when it was only going to lead to further losses with, probably, a relegation at the end of it? Far better to go down to a level that should have been sustainable and build from there. They should have told the truth and resigned from the Conference then. It was the lies that made me boycott the club, not hust. If they had been open about it I would more than likely still attended.
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Post by murray jp1 on Nov 11, 2018 18:02:21 GMT
If anyone is to blame more for the club dying it is you. You stood by and allowed those crooks to run it into the ground. Any last chance of some one coming in with money to save the day was completely ruined the moment they took charge. I do hope that the soup money will keep you going for a few more years though. It was all worth it I'm sure. How could someone who just went to games be held responsible for kulling the club? I was part of the boycott. I killed Hereford United more than Ex did. You did too. I recall a conversation I had with the crooks (not at a game, before Phoenix tries to make up shıt again) where they said that if HUST wanted to buy the club then all they had to do was make an offer. They hadn't heard anything from them since Chris Williams congratulated them on their purchase. I didn't trust Tommy as far as I could throw him, but it was clear that HUST had no interest in trying to obtain/save the club. At least now you have a load of dodgy businessmen from Herefordshire in charge. The whole thing is a nightmare and absolutely nobody came out of it with any honour left intact.
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Post by gefod on Nov 11, 2018 18:02:55 GMT
Agombar had some. The outside money failed to materialise when the funders were met by a hostile reception at the players entrance. How gullible are you? There were no funders. Forget the outsiders. Where were the coveted locals who were ready to save 90 years of history.
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Post by colebridgebull on Nov 11, 2018 18:07:38 GMT
There is no such thing as black or white. Just numerous shades of grey.
The one certainty? Follow the money.
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Post by timmeee on Nov 11, 2018 18:14:32 GMT
All Tommy Agombar was interested in was Tommy Agombar All Andrew Lonsdale was interested in was Andrew Lonsdale
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 18:27:31 GMT
If anyone is to blame more for the club dying it is you. You stood by and allowed those crooks to run it into the ground. Any last chance of some one coming in with money to save the day was completely ruined the moment they took charge. I do hope that the soup money will keep you going for a few more years though. It was all worth it I'm sure. How could someone who just went to games be held responsible for kulling the club? I was part of the boycott. I killed Hereford United more than Ex did. You did too. I recall a conversation I had with the crooks (not at a game, before Phoenix tries to make up shıt again) where they said that if HUST wanted to buy the club then all they had to do was make an offer. They hadn't heard anything from them since Chris Williams congratulated them on their purchase. I didn't trust Tommy as far as I could throw him, but it was clear that HUST had no interest in trying to obtain/save the club. At least now you have a load of dodgy businessmen from Herefordshire in charge. The whole thing is a nightmare and absolutely nobody came out of it with any honour left intact. Because the club could have been saved. There is no doubt about that. If some one had walked through the door with £1 million at the last minute of course there could still be a Hereford United. But no one was going to put any money into the club with them at the helm. Therefore there was no chance of survival with them in charge. Would you trust them as far as you could throw them? Not a f*cking chance in hell. I was 50/50 in the beginning but if you honestly still believed their crap in our final hours and even now then I'm sorry but you really must be rather foolish. I understand why people were taken in because I was too and I was never a member of hust or the boycott. I never persuaded anyone to be a part of any of those either. But I cannot for the life of me imagine why anybody can actually defend those that were in charge. Tommy was obviously a bit of a heavy handed crook and Lonsdale was heavy but very clever. It really does sadden me that even after everything that has happened some people still haven't realised what they were up to. We would ended up with no club and no ground. No doubt ExLandlord would have still found a way to point the blame elsewhere though.
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Post by colebridgebull on Nov 11, 2018 18:46:07 GMT
1. It wouldn't have taken anything like £1m. Nowhere near. 2. By allowing Hereford United (1939) Limited to be wound up (which was inevitable once the boycott held firm), the 250 year lease (the most valuable asset the club had by far) went. Just like that. 3. We're nowhere near the endgame yet. Which is explained in 2. above.
I fell for it. Hook, line and sinker.
Fool me once....
The bottom line is that Agombar and Lonsdale remain a wonderful diversion. The fall guys if you like. Of course, they were here for one thing. It's not rocket science, and, bluntly, they're "business men" (not very good ones as they got sold a pup). Just bear in mind that rich men with money to throw at setting up a football club (not bankrolling it as the club clearly has to be self sufficient-much more difficult at the current level) are generally rich for a very good reason. And that's rarely altruism.
It's not helpful to argue on here about the particular approach anyone on here took in 2014. Fact is that the vast majority of those who post on here were fans of Hereford United, and the vast majority of those are fans of Hereford FC.
We are where we are. Sadly.
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Post by FASH on Nov 11, 2018 19:09:59 GMT
"The bottom line is that Agombar and Lonsdale remain a wonderful diversion"
Yep, that's the thing some people are failing to grasp.
The point is that neither HUST nor the Hale group had any real interest taking the club off Keyte's hands and willingly allowed the club to be sold to Agombar. That is when the bullet hit, the rest was just people standing around waiting for the club to bleed out. Very, very sad that none off us did anything to try and resuscitate the patient.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 19:26:10 GMT
1. It wouldn't have taken anything like £1m. Nowhere near. 2. By allowing Hereford United (1939) Limited to be wound up (which was inevitable once the boycott held firm), the 250 year lease (the most valuable asset the club had by far) went. Just like that. 3. We're nowhere near the endgame yet. Which is explained in 2. above. I fell for it. Hook, line and sinker. Fool me once.... The bottom line is that Agombar and Lonsdale remain a wonderful diversion. The fall guys if you like. Of course, they were here for one thing. It's not rocket science, and, bluntly, they're "business men" (not very good ones as they got sold a pup). Just bear in mind that rich men with money to throw at setting up a football club (not bankrolling it as the club clearly has to be self sufficient-much more difficult at the current level) are generally rich for a very good reason. And that's rarely altruism. It's not helpful to argue on here about the particular approach anyone on here took in 2014. Fact is that the vast majority of those who post on here were fans of Hereford United, and the vast majority of those are fans of Hereford FC. We are where we are. Sadly. Nicely put.
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Post by changeabull on Nov 11, 2018 19:32:50 GMT
" The bottom line is that Agombar and Lonsdale remain a wonderful diversion" Yep, that's the thing some people are failing to grasp. The point is that neither HUST nor the Hale group had any real interest taking the club off Keyte's hands and willingly allowed the club to be sold to Agombar. That is when the bullet hit, the rest was just people standing around waiting for the club to bleed out. Very, very sad that none off us did anything to try and resuscitate the patient. Keyte refused to sell to HUST under any circumstances. Too many posters trying to rewrite history on this thread.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 19:39:42 GMT
1. It wouldn't have taken anything like £1m. Nowhere near. 2. By allowing Hereford United (1939) Limited to be wound up (which was inevitable once the boycott held firm), the 250 year lease (the most valuable asset the club had by far) went. Just like that. 3. We're nowhere near the endgame yet. Which is explained in 2. above. I fell for it. Hook, line and sinker. Fool me once.... The bottom line is that Agombar and Lonsdale remain a wonderful diversion. The fall guys if you like. Of course, they were here for one thing. It's not rocket science, and, bluntly, they're "business men" (not very good ones as they got sold a pup). Just bear in mind that rich men with money to throw at setting up a football club (not bankrolling it as the club clearly has to be self sufficient-much more difficult at the current level) are generally rich for a very good reason. And that's rarely altruism. It's not helpful to argue on here about the particular approach anyone on here took in 2014. Fact is that the vast majority of those who post on here were fans of Hereford United, and the vast majority of those are fans of Hereford FC. We are where we are. Sadly. My million figure wasn't supposed to be taken so seriously. In reality no one knows how much would have been needed especially when so many people were leaving due to not being paid. Reality was though once Ex and his crooks were in charge of things what the hell were we supposed to do? The loss of the ground would have been inevitable. Would the club have survived? Maybe. But look where Worcester City are now. That is a perfect example of what could have happened to us. I wonder how long it will take for them to get back to conference north/south level. Taking the begging bowl round to Westfields for a groundshare offer would have been a very real possibility.
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Post by mikeunderpenyard on Nov 11, 2018 19:42:03 GMT
All very informative (true or not)
Anyway back to the OP, have they gone yet?
is this the great Lionel’s worst ever song?
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