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Post by tony321 on Apr 2, 2024 21:22:40 GMT
It’s looking like, quite a big challenge to get us out this league. Whilst, we are part-time. I think, we have the second highest league attendance and there are teams on much lower attendances. Who are full-time. Maybe, some have generous benefactors ;which I’m unaware of. I would’ve thought, many very good young players would jump at the opportunity to play for Hereford FC full-time. Hereford being geographically an outpost would attract players on a full time basis. It should be possible to be achieve this on the current playing budget ? Paul caddis has done a tremendous job with the players he has signed , with many from the lower leagues. Think what he could do if we were full-time. I put this question to the chairman sometime ago. No response!
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Post by statlerandwaldorf on Apr 2, 2024 21:27:14 GMT
Quite frankly it's crazy that there are ANY full-time sides at our level. Too many clubs overreaching and then it falls down around their ears. The level we're at should be full of butchers, bakers and candlestick makers. I'd love to know who the first club to do it was. (My suspicion is it was Salford.) Whoever it was, they've totally screwed up the level.
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Post by statlerandwaldorf on Apr 2, 2024 21:29:46 GMT
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Post by cebull1965 on Apr 2, 2024 22:30:04 GMT
This is very rough maths. Say full time squad of 18 players contracted for 40 hours per week, 52 weeks at £11.44 minimum wage plus national insurance and I think you are clearly circa £450k. Now clearly there are lots of holes in that calculation, would it be 52 weeks, is 18 players enough? But the really clear problem is the minimum wage, the core of experienced players to bind the squad together are going to be nowhere near accepting minimum wage. I seem to remember Kiddy fans reckoning a long way into last season (pre those consecutive wins at the end) that the problem with full time at step 6 was you shopped amongst the poorest full time players whilst the part time clubs shopped in the pool of the best part time players.
I suspect the step up to full time is a very big step and the board would want more than one seasons evidence of 2500 attendances. But of course we all want that step up to happen as it would be linked to continued success on the pitch.
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Post by Andrew on Apr 3, 2024 6:56:33 GMT
HFC as a full time club is not financially viable. Firstly the owners are not willing to chuck money at it, why would they?
Start of the season there was only 5k in the bank... a successful trading business needs between ten to fifteen percent cash reserves minimum. Income is variable across the financial year, some months can be zero, others depending on team performance can produce crowds of 2500 and larger other months sub 2000 crowds.
Outgoings, wages with on costs Tax, NI and pensions. Utilities Rent Rates stadium upkeep.
HFC with their current business model are punching. Enjoy the ride.
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Post by White Lightning on Apr 3, 2024 7:18:02 GMT
HFC as a full time club is not financially viable. Firstly the owners are not willing to chuck money at it, why would they? Start of the season there was only 5k in the bank... a successful trading business needs between ten to fifteen percent cash reserves minimum. Income is variable across the financial year, some months can be zero, others depending on team performance can produce crowds of 2500 and larger other months sub 2000 crowds. Outgoings, wages with on costs Tax, NI and pensions. Utilities Rent Rates stadium upkeep. HFC with their current business model are punching. Enjoy the ride. You too 😃 |
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Post by GRL on Apr 3, 2024 7:20:18 GMT
They spent enough time chipping away at past owners who "chucked money at it."
Faceless individuals.
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Post by chalkywhite81 on Apr 3, 2024 7:28:45 GMT
Go full time when we have to, not to force something to happen.
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Post by greekgod on Apr 3, 2024 8:08:58 GMT
What would make the club have to go full time?
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Post by chalkywhite81 on Apr 3, 2024 9:10:36 GMT
What would make the club have to go full time? Promotion and higher guaranteed attendances mean it becomes viable. |
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Post by halesowen1 on Apr 3, 2024 9:28:54 GMT
From interviews of late there seems to be no chance of the Club going full time in the near future. There are other priorities such as improvements to the stadium, building the reserves back up.
I detect that Paul Caddis is disappointed that he can’t compete in the same market as other sides in order to strengthen the squad to a level he would like to do so.
We have the fans base with crowds at a good level but due to some uninspiring appointments in recent times since Beadle left we have lost too much money to sustain the reserves.
Hopefully if we can have another good season in 2024-25, have a good cup run we may see some change in direction of status.
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Post by greekgod on Apr 3, 2024 9:51:41 GMT
Time for a reservesbuilderupperifyouwanttogofulltime fund
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Post by carrotcruncher on Apr 3, 2024 10:22:44 GMT
What would make the club have to go full time? Promotion and higher guaranteed attendances mean it becomes viable. History shows that just doesn't happen sadly. Those attendance figures above are enlightening. Shows how little we've changed compared to football elsewhere across the country. Since the 70s bubble burst we've averaged 2000-2500 (bit less in a bad season, bit more in a decent one) regardless of the trends of the rest of the game. Our challenge is to grow gates regardless of immediate success on the field. Wish I had a solution. |
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Post by halesowen1 on Apr 3, 2024 10:27:55 GMT
From what we are told it may need an extra £300000 or more.
Difficult to see a fund getting anywhere near that without some benefactors being involved.
Problem is do we want some experienced players who are now willing to go part time or a squad of young inexperienced players full time who are waiting to break into the full time game. Need to be able to afford it so we have some chance of doing well.
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Post by greekgod on Apr 3, 2024 10:41:21 GMT
Cash in the bank at 31.05.21 £303,143.
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Post by dadstaxi on Apr 3, 2024 11:01:38 GMT
The last two home games the away support has not got above 40 per game. How many big games will there be next season if scunny get promoted. We are too far away from other teams to expect large away support at our home games. So we have to rely heavily on our own supporters/fairweathers.
Thames water asked their shareholders to put money in and they declined I think ours would be the same. And we don’t have the tax payers to help us out.
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Post by greekgod on Apr 3, 2024 11:09:06 GMT
Best pray that the biggest club in Shropshire get promoted. AFC Telford.
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Post by Andrew on Apr 3, 2024 11:30:12 GMT
Best pray that the biggest club in Shropshire get promoted. AFC Telford. One slop doesn't make a summer |
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Post by greekgod on Apr 3, 2024 13:15:10 GMT
Two slops makes for too many fingers and thumbs.
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Post by Differentiabull on Apr 3, 2024 19:59:25 GMT
HFC as a full time club is not financially viable. Firstly the owners are not willing to chuck money at it, why would they? Start of the season there was only 5k in the bank... a successful trading business needs between ten to fifteen percent cash reserves minimum. Income is variable across the financial year, some months can be zero, others depending on team performance can produce crowds of 2500 and larger other months sub 2000 crowds. Outgoings, wages with on costs Tax, NI and pensions. Utilities Rent Rates stadium upkeep. HFC with their current business model are punching. Enjoy the ride. HUFC were full time on crowds of 2000 - 2500 for years. I'm not saying we need to go full time, but if it is impossible on the current gates, how did the club manage in the past? |
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