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Post by colebridgebull on Jun 22, 2019 14:39:42 GMT
if you wish to join certain branches of the civil service, you need a ridiculous amount of vetting. Given Johnson is potentially about to assume the most responsible and important role in the country, a CV that includes being sacked twice for lying, conspiring to have a journalist assaulted, ditching wives and mistresses left right and centre, wasting public money on vanity projects, bearing direct responsibility for Grenfell and the increase in knife crime in London through cuts made to spaff away on those projects, and being described as the worst and laziest Minister of State in living memory ought to raise a few alarm bells even with the most ardently shortsighted Tory party member. He is the establishment. And that’s why the forelock pullers adore him. The “man” is a lazy racist bullying toff. A Poundshop Trump Other opinions are available but probably not allowed on this forum. 😣 You are odd. If you want to challenge any of the points I’ve made, feel free. Is there anything in my brief and far from complete list of Johnson’ s glittering resume you consider to be inaccurate or unfair? Or is it simpler to bleat about non existent censorship yet again? |
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Post by colebridgebull on Jun 22, 2019 14:46:21 GMT
if you wish to join certain branches of the civil service, you need a ridiculous amount of vetting. Given Johnson is potentially about to assume the most responsible and important role in the country, a CV that includes being sacked twice for lying, conspiring to have a journalist assaulted, ditching wives and mistresses left right and centre, wasting public money on vanity projects, bearing direct responsibility for Grenfell and the increase in knife crime in London through cuts made to spaff away on those projects, and being described as the worst and laziest Minister of State in living memory ought to raise a few alarm bells even with the most ardently shortsighted Tory party member. He is the establishment. And that’s why the forelock pullers adore him. The “man” is a lazy racist bullying toff. A Poundshop Trump It us abundantly clear that you are not Johnson's greatest advocate(!) and that your distaste and dislike for him as a person and as a politician is almost beyond description. It may surprise you to learn that I have little or no time for him either, although I wouldn't necessarily be as direct and to the point as you are in your post, most of which indicates a seemingly all-consuming hate for the bloke. I would be very interested to discover how, and why, you deem him to bear "direct responsibility for Grenfell" It was interesting to read recently that the head of the London Fire Brigade intends to resign from her £200,000 per year post before the official report into the fire is published, on the basis that the LFB are likely to be found wanting in their response. She wasn't directly responsible for the fire but was responsible for the way LFB reacted and behaved and is about to be criticised for that in the report as I understand it. Haven't seen or read of anyone else suggesting that Boris Johnson was directly responsible. It’s a fair point. I’ll substitute “some” for “direct”. Although I suspect that his decision to close a considerable number of fire stations was singularly unhelpful. |
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Post by colebridgebull on Jun 22, 2019 14:50:05 GMT
if you wish to join certain branches of the civil service, you need a ridiculous amount of vetting. Given Johnson is potentially about to assume the most responsible and important role in the country, a CV that includes being sacked twice for lying, conspiring to have a journalist assaulted, ditching wives and mistresses left right and centre, wasting public money on vanity projects, bearing direct responsibility for Grenfell and the increase in knife crime in London through cuts made to spaff away on those projects, and being described as the worst and laziest Minister of State in living memory ought to raise a few alarm bells even with the most ardently shortsighted Tory party member. He is the establishment. And that’s why the forelock pullers adore him. The “man” is a lazy racist bullying toff. A Poundshop Trump I love how you come out with all this crap and then blatantly ignore the dossier of information against Corbyn. Its like he was born in 2015 and the past 30 years never happened. What has that got to do with this thread? Corbyn is not going to be the next PM. If he were to be, he should expect to be subject to the same scrutiny (ha-he has constantly over the last few years- much of it vindictive) as Johnson. Fair enough? |
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Post by Gresty on Jun 22, 2019 16:02:58 GMT
I love how you come out with all this crap and then blatantly ignore the dossier of information against Corbyn. Its like he was born in 2015 and the past 30 years never happened. What has that got to do with this thread? Corbyn is not going to be the next PM. If he were to be, he should expect to be subject to the same scrutiny (ha-he has constantly over the last few years- much of it vindictive) as Johnson. Fair enough? cb, you have just made me smile with your reference to vindictive scrutiny. Now, what was that you wrote about Johnson a little earlier?* 😃 *Ignoring the "directly responsible" bit as acknowledgement of your subsequent post. |
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Post by changeabull on Jun 22, 2019 18:51:11 GMT
Well, leading the leave vote to victory in the EU referendum when the government, the establishment and most of the media was desperately trying to get us to vote remain was a pretty impressive achievement, don't you think? No it was mostly down to the inherent racism of older British persons. Well that's a load of Keyte. Whether you voted leave or remain in the EU would have no effect on immigration from Asia and Africa so clearly racism had nothing to do with it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2019 19:51:58 GMT
No it was mostly down to the inherent racism of older British persons. Well that's a load of Keyte. Whether you voted leave or remain in the EU would have no effect on immigration from Asia and Africa so clearly racism had nothing to do with it. It had everything to do with it. The grey vote was to leave. They don't do inclusiveness. Eastern Europeans may not be black or brown but they ain't from here, so it was racism. "We want our sovereignty back". You never fecking lost it, mate. |
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Post by Gresty on Jun 22, 2019 20:50:38 GMT
Tom Penn and Eve Leigh.
Nice neighbours.
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Post by colebridgebull on Jun 22, 2019 21:24:56 GMT
Because...?
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Post by Gresty on Jun 22, 2019 22:17:52 GMT
Well if you read the Guardian and/or the Observer (you clearly do) you don't need me to add further comment.
Free world. Free press. Freedom to form a view. All values that I uphold as, clearly, do you.
It's widely acknowledged that one cannot choose ones neighbours.
Skulduggery afoot methinks.
That said, skulduggery is not the exclusive preserve of the Left.
Or the Right.
Nothing personal in our exchange I trust, cb, more an interesting variance of view.
Have an enjoyable Sunday.
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Post by colebridgebull on Jun 22, 2019 22:57:20 GMT
I know who they are.
I haven’t heard the tape. It appears that Johnson has instructed members of my profession, no doubt at huge expense, to ensure that it does not enter the public domain. You might ask why he is so terribly keen that it doesn’t. It is not evidence in any criminal proceedings as it appears that no complaint has been made.
The well reported words “get off me” suggest that one should be, but that is a matter for the current Johnson partner. I make no judgment on his marital arrangements.
It is worthy of note that the police received three separate calls from different individuals about the screaming coming from the address. Which speaks volumes (sic)
What should be of concern is the concerted effort by elements of the press to shoot the messengers. I would hope that it does not put off well meaning members of the public in similar positions, whether or not the conduct they’re reporting is that of a potential prime minister of this country.
Should they have gone to the press with this? Tricky call- but on balance there is a very strong public interest argument. And bluntly the Guardian would be the only publication who could have been trusted not to kill the story.
A sad indictment of this country.
Distraction, distraction, distraction....
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Post by lazarus on Jun 23, 2019 7:59:25 GMT
Not much mention on the BBC about the political affiliations of Penn & Leigh ( sound like a pair of illusionists ) but then that would spoil a good non story wouldn't it
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 9:14:23 GMT
I know who they are. I haven’t heard the tape. It appears that Johnson has instructed members of my profession, no doubt at huge expense, to ensure that it does not enter the public domain. You might ask why he is so terribly keen that it doesn’t. It is not evidence in any criminal proceedings as it appears that no complaint has been made. The well reported words “get off me” suggest that one should be, but that is a matter for the current Johnson partner. I make no judgment on his marital arrangements. It is worthy of note that the police received three separate calls from different individuals about the screaming coming from the address. Which speaks volumes (sic) What should be of concern is the concerted effort by elements of the press to shoot the messengers. I would hope that it does not put off well meaning members of the public in similar positions, whether or not the conduct they’re reporting is that of a potential prime minister of this country. Should they have gone to the press with this? Tricky call- but on balance there is a very strong public interest argument. And bluntly the Guardian would be the only publication who could have been trusted not to kill the story. A sad indictment of this country. Distraction, distraction, distraction.... I think most people's first instincts is to give the guardian a call during a domestic disturbance instead of the police. I did love this part of his statement though. 'I, along with a lot of my neighbours all across London, voted to remain within the EU. That is the extent of my involvement in politics.' Wonder how happy he'll be when old Jezza introduces the mansion tax on 50% of London homes. |
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Post by colebridgebull on Jun 23, 2019 10:25:34 GMT
Leaving aside the decision to go to the papers (just wondering whether some would be so triggered by the Remain voting credentials (which seems to have been transposed to “leftie” by the usual slack jawed suspects in the tame press) if the screaming had come from Corbyn’s property), does anyone think that members of the public (in this case three separate members of the public) should try and assist if they witness what sounds like a violent domestic incident?
The words “get off me” would certainly encourage me to step in.
Let’s leave aside any benefit of 20/20 hindsight.
Given that Johnson is going through hustings and public scrutiny about his plans and fitness for the role, I’m struggling to see why some are so desperate to airbrush anything inconvenient out of the picture.
One further lie-It appears that his protestations that he has had nothing to do with Steve Bannon are demonstrably untrue. Which should set further alarm bells ringing about Putin’s influence.
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Post by Barney still in B-Block on Jun 23, 2019 15:37:24 GMT
And yet 'we' will elect the serial liar to the highest public office.
Shame on this country.
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Post by glawsterwhite on Jun 23, 2019 16:04:05 GMT
Shame on Conservative party members , not the country !
It is, however, a really depressing situation Johnson as British p.m. and trump u.s. president. Those 2 don’t have the intellect, wisdom or common sense of most people in my life.
A compelling case for western democracy lol
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Post by Gresty on Jun 23, 2019 17:15:21 GMT
Shame on Conservative party members , not the country ! It is, however, a really depressing situation Johnson as British p.m. and trump u.s. president. Those 2 don’t have the intellect, wisdom or common sense of most people in my life. A compelling case for western democracy lol Not really a compelling case, to be fair. But if one looks further afield, say to Russia, Egypt, Turkey, Venezuela, Zimbabwe, South Africa, all so-called democracies, they're not compelling cases for democracy either, would you agree? The concept of democracy is fine, but, as I have suggested previously, power corrupts etc. In the current UK political climate, the very thought of gaining power, let alone actually achieving it, could be imagined to have corrupted if you really think about it. |
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Post by timmeee on Jun 23, 2019 21:19:38 GMT
Completely agree, power always corrupts.
And it’s not just restricted to those running for the highest offices in the land. Local councillors can be as bad and we’ve all had people at work that get promoted to ‘Supervisor’ and come into work the following Monday acting like Robert Mugabe.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 21:42:25 GMT
Donald Trump is mentally ill.
Boris Johnson is just a tosser. Albeit a fat one that gets his haircut for a fiver once every 6 weeks.
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Post by Palms Halt on Jun 24, 2019 7:30:34 GMT
Boris Johnson is just a tosser. Albeit a fat one that gets his haircut for a fiver once every 6 weeks. That's what he wants you to think. All part of the well crafted image to endear him to the gullible public. He's as ruthless and cunning as they come, and his public persona (very different to what he's really like) is about to win him the role he has been working towards for years. He craves the power. All that is left now is to see whether the mask will now be allowed to slip, once he finally gets what he's craved for so long, or if he'll keep up the act |
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Post by lazarus on Jun 24, 2019 8:02:19 GMT
When you read the abuse of politicians on this forum its amazing that I got banned for calling the Sturgeon woman a hard-faced cow. I think it depends if you have rattled a member of admin.
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