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Post by Palms Halt on Feb 7, 2019 11:11:29 GMT
I think we've seen a new level of stupidity in this thread. If Mr Tusk had said these people are careless or nonsensical it would have been brushed off as nothing. Its the part about saying they have a place in hell that I think almost anyone would take issue with especially if it happened the other way round. Its basically putting them alongside rapists and murderers. The extreme irony of course being that those people are the ones who are thought of very highly by no other than our beloved colebridgebull. I wonder what place there is for those who helped them get their jail sentences down by half while victims continue to suffer. Haha, what on earth are you on? I could say that you're putting rapists on the same level as those responsible for the holocaust, but of course that's not something that entered your mind, in the same way that rapists and murderers weren't something that Donald Tusk had in mind either. Just because there are greater crimes committed, it doesn't excuse anyone who commits what you deem to be a lesser crime. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 11:26:33 GMT
I refer my friend to the response of Peroni just the other day. Diddums. (just to add-sentencing of murderers and rapists (not that you're being emotive or anything here) is the sole preserve of "ticketed" judges using guidelines set by Government via the Sentencing Guideline Council. If you murder someone, you get a life sentence, with a minimum term. That is not subject to release at the halfway stage. Most sentences for rape also do not attract release at the halfway stage-this is usually reliant on the parole board recommending release (see Worboys for example). I have met a few murderers and rapists-do I "like" them? Odd question. I take a professional position as I have this crazy belief that everyone deserves a fair trial. And that the sentence should fit the crime. As ever, Jammo, your posting on anything other than football matters does you little credit) My question about you liking them was not meant to be taken seriously. My point is that it was incredibly idiotic to use such language towards some of the people you are trying to strike a deal with. I think people are quite right to suggest that the EU are bullies. They have been for a very long period of time now. It was also very interesting to see the PM of Ireland (a country who has been bullied into accepting treaties in the past) said in an interview just after that the comments were very unhelpful. Just think for a minute if Theresa May had said those very words towards Donald Tusk. The guardian would go so overboard they might actually sell a newspaper for once. |
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Post by Palms Halt on Feb 7, 2019 11:31:03 GMT
I refer my friend to the response of Peroni just the other day. Diddums. (just to add-sentencing of murderers and rapists (not that you're being emotive or anything here) is the sole preserve of "ticketed" judges using guidelines set by Government via the Sentencing Guideline Council. If you murder someone, you get a life sentence, with a minimum term. That is not subject to release at the halfway stage. Most sentences for rape also do not attract release at the halfway stage-this is usually reliant on the parole board recommending release (see Worboys for example). I have met a few murderers and rapists-do I "like" them? Odd question. I take a professional position as I have this crazy belief that everyone deserves a fair trial. And that the sentence should fit the crime. As ever, Jammo, your posting on anything other than football matters does you little credit) My question about you liking them was not meant to be taken seriously. My point is that it was incredibly idiotic to use such language towards some of the people you are trying to strike a deal with. I think people are quite right to suggest that the EU are bullies. They have been for a very long period of time now. It was also very interesting to see the PM of Ireland (a country who has been bullied into accepting treaties in the past) said in an interview just after that the comments were very unhelpful. Just think for a minute if Theresa May had said those very words towards Donald Tusk. The guardian would go so overboard they might actually sell a newspaper for once. Who have they bullied? |
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Post by Barney still in B-Block on Feb 7, 2019 11:31:47 GMT
I think we've seen a new level of stupidity in this thread. If Mr Tusk had said these people are careless or nonsensical it would have been brushed off as nothing. Its the part about saying they have a place in hell that I think almost anyone would take issue with especially if it happened the other way round. Its basically putting them alongside rapists and murderers. The extreme irony of course being that those people are the ones who are thought of very highly by no other than our beloved colebridgebull. I wonder what place there is for those who helped them get their jail sentences down by half while victims continue to suffer. Bravo Jammo. Even by your own high standards, that is absolutely brilliant. |
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Post by Differentiabull on Feb 7, 2019 11:39:43 GMT
I refer my friend to the response of Peroni just the other day. Diddums. (just to add-sentencing of murderers and rapists (not that you're being emotive or anything here) is the sole preserve of "ticketed" judges using guidelines set by Government via the Sentencing Guideline Council. If you murder someone, you get a life sentence, with a minimum term. That is not subject to release at the halfway stage. Most sentences for rape also do not attract release at the halfway stage-this is usually reliant on the parole board recommending release (see Worboys for example). I have met a few murderers and rapists-do I "like" them? Odd question. I take a professional position as I have this crazy belief that everyone deserves a fair trial. And that the sentence should fit the crime. As ever, Jammo, your posting on anything other than football matters does you little credit) My question about you liking them was not meant to be taken seriously. My point is that it was incredibly idiotic to use such language towards some of the people you are trying to strike a deal with. I think people are quite right to suggest that the EU are bullies. They have been for a very long period of time now. It was also very interesting to see the PM of Ireland (a country who has been bullied into accepting treaties in the past) said in an interview just after that the comments were very unhelpful. Just think for a minute if Theresa May had said those very words towards Donald Tusk. The guardian would go so overboard they might actually sell a newspaper for once. What makes you think they're trying to strike a deal with us? They've got us over a barrel, and always have. I just don't get this idea that the EU is going to cave on its fundamental principles just to accommodate a few islands in the North East Atlantic. Sure, everyone loses if there's no deal. But we lose harder. |
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Post by changeabull on Feb 7, 2019 11:41:37 GMT
My question about you liking them was not meant to be taken seriously. My point is that it was incredibly idiotic to use such language towards some of the people you are trying to strike a deal with. I think people are quite right to suggest that the EU are bullies. They have been for a very long period of time now. It was also very interesting to see the PM of Ireland (a country who has been bullied into accepting treaties in the past) said in an interview just after that the comments were very unhelpful. Just think for a minute if Theresa May had said those very words towards Donald Tusk. The guardian would go so overboard they might actually sell a newspaper for once. Who have they bullied? Any country that attempts to defy Brussels long term plan to create a European Superstate. Remember the Republic of Ireland voting against the Lisbon Treaty in 2001? Instead of respecting the result, the EU forced them to keep holding referendums until the Irish eventually voted in favour. |
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Post by Palms Halt on Feb 7, 2019 11:54:37 GMT
Any country that attempts to defy Brussels long term plan to create a European Superstate. Bit bored of this shtick, to be honest. Brexshitters are obsessed with this kind of nonsense. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 12:33:38 GMT
My question about you liking them was not meant to be taken seriously. My point is that it was incredibly idiotic to use such language towards some of the people you are trying to strike a deal with. I think people are quite right to suggest that the EU are bullies. They have been for a very long period of time now. It was also very interesting to see the PM of Ireland (a country who has been bullied into accepting treaties in the past) said in an interview just after that the comments were very unhelpful. Just think for a minute if Theresa May had said those very words towards Donald Tusk. The guardian would go so overboard they might actually sell a newspaper for once. What makes you think they're trying to strike a deal with us? They've got us over a barrel, and always have. I just don't get this idea that the EU is going to cave on its fundamental principles just to accommodate a few islands in the North East Atlantic. Sure, everyone loses if there's no deal. But we lose harder. Have you actually just called your own country a few islands? Let's be real here. If we looked at countries leaving the EU we'd probably be right at the top of the list of those the Eu doesn't want to lose. Our economy is huge even on the worldwide stage. There probably isn't another country that people have wanted to move to more so I think the Eu will be a little more concerned when talking behind closed doors. I do find it amazing that people value our country so little though. We did manage to go along fairly well in the 950 years prior to joining the Eu. Don't be surprised if more countries start to abandon this corrupt organisation before too long. |
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Post by Palms Halt on Feb 7, 2019 13:00:23 GMT
Brexshitters favourite subject: the past.
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Post by Differentiabull on Feb 7, 2019 13:07:44 GMT
What makes you think they're trying to strike a deal with us? They've got us over a barrel, and always have. I just don't get this idea that the EU is going to cave on its fundamental principles just to accommodate a few islands in the North East Atlantic. Sure, everyone loses if there's no deal. But we lose harder. Have you actually just called your own country a few islands? Let's be real here. If we looked at countries leaving the EU we'd probably be right at the top of the list of those the Eu doesn't want to lose. Our economy is huge even on the worldwide stage. There probably isn't another country that people have wanted to move to more so I think the Eu will be a little more concerned when talking behind closed doors. I do find it amazing that people value our country so little though. We did manage to go along fairly well in the 950 years prior to joining the Eu. Don't be surprised if more countries start to abandon this corrupt organisation before too long. I don't see any signs of any other countries trying to leave right now. More queuing up to join than leave, certainly. GDP of EU27 is around 8 times that of the UK. Why would they compromise a ~ $19 trillion economy to accommodate a $2.6 trillion one? We're over a barrel. There's arguments for Brexit, but not an economic one. That's just one of the unicorns. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 13:19:12 GMT
Have you actually just called your own country a few islands? Let's be real here. If we looked at countries leaving the EU we'd probably be right at the top of the list of those the Eu doesn't want to lose. Our economy is huge even on the worldwide stage. There probably isn't another country that people have wanted to move to more so I think the Eu will be a little more concerned when talking behind closed doors. I do find it amazing that people value our country so little though. We did manage to go along fairly well in the 950 years prior to joining the Eu. Don't be surprised if more countries start to abandon this corrupt organisation before too long. I don't see any signs of any other countries trying to leave right now. More queuing up to join than leave, certainly. GDP of EU27 is around 8 times that of the UK. Why would they compromise a ~ $19 trillion economy to accommodate a $2.6 trillion one? We're over a barrel. There's arguments for Brexit, but not an economic one. That's just one of the unicorns. Absolute rubbish every scaremongering forecast people have made about Brexit so far has been miles out. Take all this stuff we have now about people saying there's going to be no more food left. Those people who peddle that nonsense are the real liars here. We export massive quantities abroad, 30% goes in the bin and another lot never even makes the shelf because its not deemed to be pretty enough. Its amazing how half of the remain side accepted the result without any bother, the rest seem to have completely lost the plot and throw all common sense right out the window. What was it that girl famously said on ITV. If we leave the Eu does that still mean we will have trees? And oh yes she was a big big remainer. But of course only the stupid ones voted leave... |
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Post by changeabull on Feb 7, 2019 13:21:50 GMT
Brex#@&tters favourite subject: the past. As Winston Churchill famously said, ""Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 13:25:27 GMT
Brex#@&tters favourite subject: the past. As Winston Churchill famously said, ""Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." Exactly what I thought. Maybe that's how John McDonnell managed to come about reading from the book of Mao in the house of commons. Probably thought he thought he was the Chinese foreign secretary. |
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Post by Palms Halt on Feb 7, 2019 13:36:12 GMT
Brex#@&tters favourite subject: the past. As Winston Churchill famously said, ""Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." Ah, talking of bullies |
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Post by colebridgebull on Feb 7, 2019 13:38:15 GMT
You need to be a bit careful quoting Churchill in the context of a debate about BREXIT....
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Post by Palms Halt on Feb 7, 2019 13:44:02 GMT
What was it that girl famously said on ITV. If we leave the Eu does that still mean we will have trees? And oh yes she was a big big remainer. But of course only the stupid ones voted leave... If somebody quoted a comment equally stupid from a brexiteer, of which there are plenty to choose from, you would absolutely lose your mind that that person was being held up as a representative of those that voted to leave. |
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Post by Palms Halt on Feb 7, 2019 13:45:26 GMT
Absolute rubbish every scaremongering forecast people have made about Brexit so far has been miles out. How do you know, have you been to the future? Brexit hasn't happened yet. I'm sure even you've noticed that. |
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Post by Differentiabull on Feb 7, 2019 13:56:09 GMT
I don't see any signs of any other countries trying to leave right now. More queuing up to join than leave, certainly. GDP of EU27 is around 8 times that of the UK. Why would they compromise a ~ $19 trillion economy to accommodate a $2.6 trillion one? We're over a barrel. There's arguments for Brexit, but not an economic one. That's just one of the unicorns. Absolute rubbish every scaremongering forecast people have made about Brexit so far has been miles out. Take all this stuff we have now about people saying there's going to be no more food left. Those people who peddle that nonsense are the real liars here. We export massive quantities abroad, 30% goes in the bin and another lot never even makes the shelf because its not deemed to be pretty enough. Its amazing how half of the remain side accepted the result without any bother, the rest seem to have completely lost the plot and throw all common sense right out the window. What was it that girl famously said on ITV. If we leave the Eu does that still mean we will have trees? And oh yes she was a big big remainer. But of course only the stupid ones voted leave... I don't see any scaremongering in my post, nor any predictions. I just stated some GDP numbers and asked a question, which you didn't answer. I don't think you've answered my question from a few pages ago why you're in favour of anti-market protectionism for British jobs compared to EU jobs, when I think you're on record holding a position on unions and state support for uneconomic industry which is diametrically opposite to that. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 14:06:51 GMT
That's all well and good but lots of old people voted for Brexit because they don't like foreigners.
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Post by Differentiabull on Feb 7, 2019 14:09:43 GMT
I don't see any signs of any other countries trying to leave right now. More queuing up to join than leave, certainly. GDP of EU27 is around 8 times that of the UK. Why would they compromise a ~ $19 trillion economy to accommodate a $2.6 trillion one? We're over a barrel. There's arguments for Brexit, but not an economic one. That's just one of the unicorns. Absolute rubbish every scaremongering forecast people have made about Brexit so far has been miles out. Take all this stuff we have now about people saying there's going to be no more food left. Those people who peddle that nonsense are the real liars here. We export massive quantities abroad, 30% goes in the bin and another lot never even makes the shelf because its not deemed to be pretty enough. Its amazing how half of the remain side accepted the result without any bother, the rest seem to have completely lost the plot and throw all common sense right out the window. What was it that girl famously said on ITV. If we leave the Eu does that still mean we will have trees? And oh yes she was a big big remainer. But of course only the stupid ones voted leave... On your food commentary www.gov.uk/government/publications/food-statistics-pocketbook-2017/food-statistics-in-your-pocket-2017-global-and-uk-supply#uk-trade-in-different-food-groups-2017See table 3.4. We import more than we export in virtually every food category. The biggest trade deficit is in fruit and veg and meat. I expect that pretty much all of this food (can't find a citation for this easily, correct me if you can) comes either from the EU or via EU arranged trade deals. If we no deal, then I presume that makes things pretty bleak for a lot of our food in early April? |
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