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Post by Gresty on Jan 28, 2019 18:49:33 GMT
The EU have set out their position. As have the ROI (who remain, of course, a member of the EU). The problem has been May's ridiculous red lines. And her insistence on doing a "deal" with the EU within those red lines BEFORE putting it before Parliament. She's come back with a deal agreed with the EU that is not approved by The UK' s sovereign parliament. Not really in a strong position to now go back to the EU and try and change it. Bit like playing chess and gloriously checkmating yourself. And then moaning about it. Idiot. You're clearly feeling polite this evening. Idiot? Pah. And I do realise that the ROI remains a member of the EU, a situation that was reinforced when they were told to go away and vote the correct way when they tried again. My comment was more about their political representatives giving it large about the so-called backstop. But I take your point. |
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Post by colebridgebull on Jan 28, 2019 19:20:55 GMT
For the avoidance of doubt the "idiot" comment was directed to the hopeless automaton charged with taking the blame for trying to deliver the undeliverable.
(Not the current incumbents of the ES hot seat....)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2019 19:35:42 GMT
Good summary letter in the I newspaper today.
The European Court of Justice has ruled that the UK can withdraw Article 50, so a No-Deal Brexit will be a deliberate choice. Now the Government is planning for martial law, food and medicine shortages, civil disorder and disruption comparable to natural di***ters.
This is to fulfill a marginal mandate from an advisory referendum based on lies, illegal funding, foreign interference and data crimes.
Chris Webster.
So - how do we really want this one to go down in history?
Sorry Ronnie but if you think that's a good summary then you obviously aren't that sharp. Mind you reading from the I newspaper should make most people's minds up anyway. To suggest that this referendum was advisory is absolutely laughable. I mean that last line is in short the very reason why so many people are angry about this whole situation. I've never seen a vote rigged so badly in favour of one side and that was for remain not leave. Can I just point out as well that to suggest that we will have a food crisis in this country is nothing short of absolute bullcrap. Some types of food coming in from abroad may well start to get in short supply but we trade a massive proportion of our food abroad and there is no chance that we will see any sort of mini crisis in the first 12 months. You talk about there being lies well this has to be one of the biggest of all. Almost as bad as the weather people saying there's going to be 20 foot of snow and to stock up for 2 weeks just in case. This isn't 1750 ffs. The agricultural sector would soon increase yields if there became more demand for their products. Right now there's very little incentive for them to do so. |
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Post by Incognito on Jan 28, 2019 19:48:14 GMT
Good summary letter in the I newspaper today.
The European Court of Justice has ruled that the UK can withdraw Article 50, so a No-Deal Brexit will be a deliberate choice. Now the Government is planning for martial law, food and medicine shortages, civil disorder and disruption comparable to natural di***ters.
This is to fulfill a marginal mandate from an advisory referendum based on lies, illegal funding, foreign interference and data crimes.
Chris Webster.
So - how do we really want this one to go down in history?
Sorry Ronnie but if you think that's a good summary then you obviously aren't that sharp. Mind you reading from the I newspaper should make most people's minds up anyway. To suggest that this referendum was advisory is absolutely laughable. I mean that last line is in short the very reason why so many people are angry about this whole situation. I've never seen a vote rigged so badly in favour of one side and that was for remain not leave. Can I just point out as well that to suggest that we will have a food crisis in this country is nothing short of absolute bullcrap. Some types of food coming in from abroad may well start to get in short supply but we trade a massive proportion of our food abroad and there is no chance that we will see any sort of mini crisis in the first 12 months. You talk about there being lies well this has to be one of the biggest of all. Almost as bad as the weather people saying there's going to be 20 foot of snow and to stock up for 2 weeks just in case. This isn't 1750 ffs. The agricultural sector would soon increase yields if there became more demand for their products. Right now there's very little incentive for them to do so. "The choice is in your hands" David Cameron announcing the referendum on 20th Feb 2016. |
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Post by Monkey Tennis on Jan 28, 2019 19:48:39 GMT
Good summary letter in the I newspaper today.
The European Court of Justice has ruled that the UK can withdraw Article 50, so a No-Deal Brexit will be a deliberate choice. Now the Government is planning for martial law, food and medicine shortages, civil disorder and disruption comparable to natural di***ters.
This is to fulfill a marginal mandate from an advisory referendum based on lies, illegal funding, foreign interference and data crimes.
Chris Webster.
So - how do we really want this one to go down in history?
Sorry Ronnie but if you think that's a good summary then you obviously aren't that sharp. Mind you reading from the I newspaper should make most people's minds up anyway. To suggest that this referendum was advisory is absolutely laughable. I mean that last line is in short the very reason why so many people are angry about this whole situation. I've never seen a vote rigged so badly in favour of one side and that was for remain not leave. Can I just point out as well that to suggest that we will have a food crisis in this country is nothing short of absolute bullcrap. Some types of food coming in from abroad may well start to get in short supply but we trade a massive proportion of our food abroad and there is no chance that we will see any sort of mini crisis in the first 12 months. You talk about there being lies well this has to be one of the biggest of all. Almost as bad as the weather people saying there's going to be 20 foot of snow and to stock up for 2 weeks just in case. This isn't 1750 ffs. The agricultural sector would soon increase yields if there became more demand for their products. Right now there's very little incentive for them to do so. From now on, every time you begin a sentence with "I mean", and until I'm told to stop because it's annoying people, I'm going to post this picture of a cat.  |
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Post by colebridgebull on Jan 28, 2019 19:54:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2019 20:54:20 GMT
I think to go back on it would raise many questions for the future. I'm also yet to see anyone come up with a credible second referendum question unless you actually asked the exact same one all over again. I think people are seriously out of touch if they actually believe that we cannot make a success out of Brexit. I would even go far as to say that half of the people who voted remain did so without much enthusiasm but instead that they were scared what might happen if they didn't. It would also be interesting to see how many people voted just because they had an Italian descendant from 1850. I mean it sounds crazy to suggest that but I saw that argument on too many occasions particularly from people living in London. I'm not sure what it has to do with the future prosperity of this country at all if I'm honest. Same goes for those who were scared of voting leave in case they sounded a little bit racist. |
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Post by Monkey Tennis on Jan 28, 2019 20:57:36 GMT
I think to go back on it would raise many questions for the future. I'm also yet to see anyone come up with a credible second referendum question unless you actually asked the exact same one all over again. I think people are seriously out of touch if they actually believe that we cannot make a success out of Brexit. I would even go far as to say that half of the people who voted remain did so without much enthusiasm but instead that they were scared what might happen if they didn't. It would also be interesting to see how many people voted just because they had an Italian descendant from 1850. I mean it sounds crazy to suggest that but I saw that argument on too many occasions particularly from people living in London. I'm not sure what it has to do with the future prosperity of this country at all if I'm honest. Same goes for those who were scared of voting leave in case they sounded a little bit racist. Sigh. |
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Post by singe on Jan 28, 2019 21:16:33 GMT
I think to go back on it would raise many questions for the future. I'm also yet to see anyone come up with a credible second referendum question unless you actually asked the exact same one all over again. I think people are seriously out of touch if they actually believe that we cannot make a success out of Brexit. I would even go far as to say that half of the people who voted remain did so without much enthusiasm but instead that they were scared what might happen if they didn't. It would also be interesting to see how many people voted just because they had an Italian descendant from 1850. I mean it sounds crazy to suggest that but I saw that argument on too many occasions particularly from people living in London. I'm not sure what it has to do with the future prosperity of this country at all if I'm honest. Same goes for those who were scared of voting leave in case they sounded a little bit racist. Not really sure you're following the same Brexit saga as the rest of us because none of what you say is remotely close to the real world. People are seriously out of touch if they believe the UK can't make a success, eh? So, that would include most of the experts in the field I suppose who are roundly condemning Brexit. Jammo, you have just shown with this post that you have no grasp of the situation. Regarding your last sentence, I'm guessing that many did actually vote Leave because they are racist. What about the rant from Mark Francois over the weekend? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2019 22:12:44 GMT
Everyone ignores the fact that a referendum will always be slewed in favour of those who are espousing change.
When it comes out 52-48 it probably at least accounts for their margin of victory.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 0:51:11 GMT
It was all about change, as wainwrong quite rightly says (again).
After years of "austerity" why the feck wouldn't your average person vote for a substantial change. Change is needed. It's been a crap 10 years.
We will see what happens because some of the "I'm alright, Jack" brigade might not be so smug couple years in. But no doubt they will cover themselves by fair means or foul.
The middle classes mortgaged up to the sky might be fecked, that's why there was a strong remain vote in certain areas. For me that's tough shiite really,
if you get yourself a 500k mortgage to show your house off to your "friends" then in the back of your mind you've always known there was a chance of it all going badly wrong.
Some of the folk who voted leave though will unfortunately be the hardest hit. The protest voters that only made things worse for themselves. Short term I see plenty of people losing everything.
There will be widespread disorder and rioting in the next 5 years is my prediction.
Long term Brexit might work out.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 11:06:13 GMT
It was all about change, as wainwrong quite rightly says (again). After years of "austerity" why the feck wouldn't your average person vote for a substantial change. Change is needed. It's been a crap 10 years. We will see what happens because some of the "I'm alright, Jack" brigade might not be so smug couple years in. But no doubt they will cover themselves by fair means or foul. The middle classes mortgaged up to the sky might be fecked, that's why there was a strong remain vote in certain areas. For me that's tough shiite really, if you get yourself a 500k mortgage to show your house off to your "friends" then in the back of your mind you've always known there was a chance of it all going badly wrong. Some of the folk who voted leave though will unfortunately be the hardest hit. The protest voters that only made things worse for themselves. Short term I see plenty of people losing everything. There will be widespread disorder and rioting in the next 5 years is my prediction. Long term Brexit might work out. Indeed it might.* So, rather than leave now without a plan - and all the associated crises - why not defer the decision until the country is properly prepared and we have a government in place that can deliver "the will of the people" that won't put them through all of that first. The timetable for leaving is being determined by those who have nothing to fear and fortunes to make from the fallout. Did anyone vote to Leave specifically on March 29th? Or did you vote Leave on the understanding that it would be in an orderly fashion at a time that best suited the country's interests? ** * I don't believe it will, confirming my saboteur credentials under the current narrative. ** Or were your non-domiciliary tax arrangements a factor at all for example? |
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Post by changeabull on Jan 29, 2019 11:22:02 GMT
It was all about change, as wainwrong quite rightly says (again). After years of "austerity" why the feck wouldn't your average person vote for a substantial change. Change is needed. It's been a crap 10 years. We will see what happens because some of the "I'm alright, Jack" brigade might not be so smug couple years in. But no doubt they will cover themselves by fair means or foul. The middle classes mortgaged up to the sky might be fecked, that's why there was a strong remain vote in certain areas. For me that's tough shiite really, if you get yourself a 500k mortgage to show your house off to your "friends" then in the back of your mind you've always known there was a chance of it all going badly wrong. Some of the folk who voted leave though will unfortunately be the hardest hit. The protest voters that only made things worse for themselves. Short term I see plenty of people losing everything. There will be widespread disorder and rioting in the next 5 years is my prediction. Long term Brexit might work out. Indeed it might.* So, rather than leave now without a plan - and all the associated crises - why not defer the decision until the country is properly prepared and we have a government in place that can deliver "the will of the people" that won't put them through all of that first. The timetable for leaving is being determined by those who have nothing to fear and fortunes to make from the fallout. Did anyone vote to Leave specifically on March 29th? Or did you vote Leave on the understanding that it would be in an orderly fashion at a time that best suited the country's interests? ** * I don't believe it will, confirming my saboteur credentials under the current narrative. ** Or were your non-domiciliary tax arrangements a factor at all for example? We've already had two years of procrastination, anyone who wants to extend that is really saying that they want us to be trapped in the EU indefinitely. we should have left the EU the day after the referendum in 2016 and said to the EU "Okay, we're leaving. Make us an offer to stay", then watched them desperately offering us concession after concession to beg us to stay. The problem with Brexit is not that it's a bad idea, it's that the process has been (deliberately) mismanaged by politicians who really want us to remain. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 11:23:56 GMT
It was all about change, as wainwrong quite rightly says (again). After years of "austerity" why the feck wouldn't your average person vote for a substantial change. Change is needed. It's been a crap 10 years. We will see what happens because some of the "I'm alright, Jack" brigade might not be so smug couple years in. But no doubt they will cover themselves by fair means or foul. The middle classes mortgaged up to the sky might be fecked, that's why there was a strong remain vote in certain areas. For me that's tough shiite really, if you get yourself a 500k mortgage to show your house off to your "friends" then in the back of your mind you've always known there was a chance of it all going badly wrong. Some of the folk who voted leave though will unfortunately be the hardest hit. The protest voters that only made things worse for themselves. Short term I see plenty of people losing everything. There will be widespread disorder and rioting in the next 5 years is my prediction . Long term Brexit might work out. Indeed it might.* So, rather than leave now without a plan - and all the associated crises - why not defer the decision until the country is properly prepared and we have a government in place that can deliver "the will of the people" that won't put them through all of that first. The timetable for leaving is being determined by those who have nothing to fear and fortunes to make from the fallout. Did anyone vote to Leave specifically on March 29th? Or did you vote Leave on the understanding that it would be in an orderly fashion at a time that best suited the country's interests? ** * I don't believe it will, confirming my saboteur credentials under the current narrative. ** Or were your non-domiciliary tax arrangements a factor at all for example? |
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Post by somnambulist on Jan 29, 2019 11:53:28 GMT
Indeed it might.* So, rather than leave now without a plan - and all the associated crises - why not defer the decision until the country is properly prepared and we have a government in place that can deliver "the will of the people" that won't put them through all of that first. The timetable for leaving is being determined by those who have nothing to fear and fortunes to make from the fallout. Did anyone vote to Leave specifically on March 29th? Or did you vote Leave on the understanding that it would be in an orderly fashion at a time that best suited the country's interests? ** * I don't believe it will, confirming my saboteur credentials under the current narrative. ** Or were your non-domiciliary tax arrangements a factor at all for example? Your infantile sense of humour might find that funny, Jammo. I find your attempts to spread malicious lies about a man who had spent a career fighting prejudice of all kinds, utterly shocking. It’s time you grew up, mate. |
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Post by changeabull on Jan 29, 2019 11:56:45 GMT
Your infantile sense of humour might find that funny, Jammo. I find your attempts to spread malicious lies about a man who had spent a career fighting prejudice of all kinds, utterly shocking. It’s time you grew up, mate. No lies there, somnabulist, everyone knows that the Labour party is institutionally anti-Semitic and Corbyn has done nothing to dispel that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 11:57:42 GMT
So, these people who "want their sovereignty back":
They have their parliament where their laws are made and enacted:
they elect people to that parliament:
the government gets selected from that parliament:
they advise the electorate to vote remain:
they don't.
So what's the point of sovereignty?
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Post by Palms Halt on Jan 29, 2019 13:26:42 GMT
Your infantile sense of humour might find that funny, Jammo. I find your attempts to spread malicious lies about a man who had spent a career fighting prejudice of all kinds, utterly shocking. It’s time you grew up, mate. No lies there, somnabulist, everyone knows that the Labour party is institutionally anti-Semitic and Corbyn has done nothing to dispel that. It's absolute horseshit pal, and you know it. There's a reason Murdochs of this world are desperate to smear him, and it's because if he ever gets in power they'll have to pay proper taxes. As Som says, he's campaigned his entire career fighting all kinds of prejudice. Just because he wants fair treatment for people on both sides, doesn't mean he is anti semitic. |
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Post by Palms Halt on Jan 29, 2019 13:27:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 14:28:31 GMT
I'm actually stunned by the ignorance of some of our household lefties. Hang your heads in shame for ignoring what has been one of the most despicable examples of racism in a large party in the modern era. Its funny isn't it though that a man who will happily meet well known terrorist sympathisers will now refuse to meet Theresa May for the most idiotic reason possible.
Also I must say somnambulist's post is probably one of the biggest load of nonsense posts I have ever read. To suggest that I am lying on this issue is utterly pathetic and really do wish this was a laughing matter. You need to grow up and admit the truth. Fighting injustice my arse. The man would bring this country down overnight and I really hope and pray that genuine Labour members can get their party back before it is too late.
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