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Post by singe on Jan 21, 2019 21:13:09 GMT
The first duty of Government and of Parliament is to avert any deliberate course of action that would harm the UK and its population, regardless of individual political party affiliation. Brexit - in any form - is now demonstrably bad for the country. No Deal Brexit will be catastrophic. Refusing to rule out No Deal - as the Prime Minister has done today - is tantamount to treason IMO. How can you say brexit is demonstrably bad,that means it has been demonstrated that brexit has harmed the country, as it hasn't happend yet that would be impossible,why do remainers take it as gospel the doomsday predictions, they are predictions after all some will come true but a lot won't stop being such snowfkakes It has already harmed the country. Britains reputation has been well and truly trashed. The pound has fallen. Business confidence is at a massive low. And more..... |
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Post by singe on Jan 21, 2019 21:14:33 GMT
Care to respond to my points about ruling out a no deal Brexit? ToS doesn't come close. There's tea over everything, pot, kettle, and next door's cat included. Fabulous work Jammo, keep it going sir. Indeed. Jammo 'The King Non-Responder' when the going gets luke-warm. |
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Post by Barney still in B-Block on Jan 21, 2019 21:19:27 GMT
The first duty of Government and of Parliament is to avert any deliberate course of action that would harm the UK and its population, regardless of individual political party affiliation. Brexit - in any form - is now demonstrably bad for the country. No Deal Brexit will be catastrophic. Refusing to rule out No Deal - as the Prime Minister has done today - is tantamount to treason IMO. How can you say brexit is demonstrably bad,that means it has been demonstrated that brexit has harmed the country, as it hasn't happend yet that would be impossible,why do remainers take it as gospel the doomsday predictions, they are predictions after all some will come true but a lot won't stop being such snowfkakesBrilliant sm but is a fake one worse than a real one? Serious point now though. Would you say that the absolute sh1tshow that has been the UK for the last two years has been good for the country? Our alleged government, led by someone with all the people skills of whoopee-cushion (but not as funny) has made a bad situation many times worse, while ignoring 90% of the rest of parliamentary business. And what about the predictions from the Brexiteers? Many of those have already, demonstrably failed to come true, and never will. And that's according to some of the actual snake-oil salesmen so happy to peddle them, pre-vote. £350 mill a week for the NHS anyone? |
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Post by herefordshirebull on Jan 21, 2019 21:25:46 GMT
I'm not interested in Brexit any more as it's been going on for too long. I say Just pull the plug. I'm interested in getting my club back and that will only happen when Harris and Richards have gone.
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Post by sillymeadows on Jan 21, 2019 23:03:10 GMT
How can you say brexit is demonstrably bad,that means it has been demonstrated that brexit has harmed the country, as it hasn't happend yet that would be impossible,why do remainers take it as gospel the doomsday predictions, they are predictions after all some will come true but a lot won't stop being such snowfkakes It has already harmed the country. Britains reputation has been well and truly trashed. The pound has fallen. Business confidence is at a massive low. And more..... Says a man who lives in one of the most closed society's in the western world,have a look at NZ reputation over trade deals immigration and how it treats its indigenous population and then you will see a country with a bad reputation |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 23:18:19 GMT
Eagle vs Shark was a funny film though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 23:22:48 GMT
It has already harmed the country. Britains reputation has been well and truly trashed. The pound has fallen. Business confidence is at a massive low. And more..... Says a man who lives in one of the most closed society's in the western world,have a look at NZ reputation over trade deals immigration and how it treats its indigenous population and then you will see a country with a bad reputation Sorry Silly but you are so out of touch regarding NZ that I would not know where (or could be arsed) to start. |
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Post by FASH on Jan 21, 2019 23:24:33 GMT
Those who care far more about EU citizens than our own too. We're all EU citizens. That's the point. Not for long! Hahahaha! Put a stop to globalisation and rebuild this great nation. We can do it, we're British. Stuff upper lip old chap. 🎶Land of hope and glory🎶.... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 6:31:09 GMT
We're all EU citizens. That's the point. Not for long! Hahahaha! Put a stop to globalisation and rebuild this great nation. We can do it, we're British. Stuff upper lip old chap. 🎶Land of hope and glory🎶....
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Post by sillymeadows on Jan 22, 2019 7:03:57 GMT
Says a man who lives in one of the most closed society's in the western world,have a look at NZ reputation over trade deals immigration and how it treats its indigenous population and then you will see a country with a bad reputation Sorry Silly but you are so out of touch regarding NZ that I would not know where (or could be arsed) to start. Don't say you must have been there on holiday Check out their closed agriculture policy, theirs and Australia's treatment of Vietnamese boat people and lately Burmese (Maiymar )refugees and how the native Maori are virtual second class citizens |
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Post by singe on Jan 22, 2019 7:09:10 GMT
Sorry Silly but you are so out of touch regarding NZ that I would not know where (or could be arsed) to start. Don't say you must have been there on holiday Check out their closed agriculture policy, theirs and Australia's treatment of Vietnamese boat people and lately Burmese (Maiymar )refugees and how the native Maori are virtual second class citizens Geez. Actually newboy lived here for years but lets not the truth get in the way of a good story. As in any nation indigenous people were treated poorly (by the British, now you mention it) but there have been huge strides to rectify this in recent decades. This is partly responsible for a resurgence in Te Reo Maori (the Maori language) which has been hugely supported by the Pakeha (NZ Europeans). In fact my son asked me a few weeks ago if I'd learn it this year with him. Sounds like you don't really have a clue what you're talking about. Possible why you vote Leave? I guess that seems to be the problem, Remainers seem to research a lot whereas many Brexiteers seem to get their info from Gary down the pub. |
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Post by Barney still in B-Block on Jan 22, 2019 8:58:28 GMT
But you can’t really blame them, when the leading spokespeople for Brexit play so fast and loose with the truth.
Johnson and Farage couldn’t lie straight in an eight inch bed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 11:27:36 GMT
Amazing isn't it that not a single person came back and responded to my point about no deal Brexit. This I would suspect is because they know only too well that no deal has to be on the table in order to get a better deal. To let the other side know that you are not prepared to walk away is absolute madness and puts us at a severe disadvantage in negotiations. But this is what its all about isn't it. Even the basics in business for Jeremy Corbyn are really hard to grasp. He's spent his whole life fighting for the rights of terrorists that he hasn't learnt a single thing that a PM or even cabinet minister would need to know to do their job well. Hence we end up with the worst opposition in parliament in living memory.
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Post by Palms Halt on Jan 22, 2019 12:23:20 GMT
Amazing isn't it that not a single person came back and responded to my point about no deal Brexit. You're moaning about others not responding? How many questions have been asked of what you said that you've just skipped over to come out with this latest loads of baloney? |
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Post by Palms Halt on Jan 22, 2019 12:25:34 GMT
I voted to Leave for essentially two reasons. Firstly, every year since 2004 around 6 billion pounds in EU contributions of British sovereign wealth, earned here in Britain, has been diverted by the EU to East and Central European countries and spent to improve their economic prospects and infra structure. This money was never recycled within our own economy. That’s a recipe for di***ter. If any of you are familiar with the works of John Maynard Keynes, a notable economist with some significant respect, then you’ll quickly realise that to do this is fiscal folly. Thousands of miles of road, rail, transport hubs and factory buildings have been built with British money so as to make their countries economically competitive. The logical outcome of this social engineering experiment is that Britain and its workforce have themselves funded an economic competitor who is now in a position to take their job. And this redistribution of our wealth and Western wealth to countries who are extremely poor is already resulting in the loss of jobs here in Britain. Many companies, including Jaguar Landrover, are relocating to places like the Czech Republic because our money has made it all possible. Secondly, free movement of people. For a country like Britain to absorb nigh on 4 million people within only 16 years must surely have an impact upon the indigenous population. Think about it! That’s huge and because the vast majority of EU migrants are from very poor countries it’s reasonable to conclude they require much more financial support than those that arrive from wealthier Western nations. Imagine a home crowd at Old Trafford. Now multiply that crowd by a factor of 52 home games and you might just realise the enormity of these numbers and then consider that our woes are not just the fault of the easy to blame Ageing Population who are blamed for everything when shortages of public services are referenced. The problem with the Union is the imbalances that existed between the wealthy and the poor. There are two socio economic groups. The Haves and the Have Nots, So it’s hardly surprising that the Have Not group began their exodus West thats then heralded the greatest movement of people in the entire history of continental Europe. To emphasise this imbalance, take the 19 poorest EU member states and total up their combined GDP’s. Those 19 just about match the GDP of Britain. I’ve no idea why some intelligent people can claim that evidence shows that Brexit is a demonstrably proven national di***te of self harm when nothing of significance has happened. My guess is they’re a group who are susceptible to the politics of fear. They hear Mark Carney predict recession, doom and gloom and ignore his predecessor Mervin King who says the opposite predicting economic prosperity and freedom for the British people. For those who want to Remain because they are frightened of the consequences then they’re no different to the doomed passengers on a holed ocean liner who’d rather cling on and sink rather than jump into the brine and climb into a lifeboat. Today, the politics of the early twentieth century are alive and well. If you wish to control the thinking of people, then simply make them frightened and get them to do whatever it is the ruling elite want them to do. Sadly, I think it was Coleridge, who was right all along! There’ll be no departure from this totalitarian federalist collection of states who have embraced globalisation, capitalism and communism. As long as there’s a source of cheap labour and the host country and it’s citizens are prepared to pay for its purpose, we’ll be staying out. <iframe width="33.83999999999992" height="9.319999999999993" style="position: absolute; width: 33.83999999999992px; height: 9.319999999999993px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_56137046" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="33.83999999999992" height="9.319999999999993" style="position: absolute; width: 33.84px; height: 9.32px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1622px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_73771784" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="33.83999999999992" height="9.319999999999993" style="position: absolute; width: 33.84px; height: 9.32px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 401px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_16024245" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="33.83999999999992" height="9.319999999999993" style="position: absolute; width: 33.84px; height: 9.32px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1622px; top: 401px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_38334381" scrolling="no"></iframe>  |
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Post by somnambulist on Jan 22, 2019 12:29:16 GMT
Amazing isn't it that not a single person came back and responded to my point about no deal Brexit. This I would suspect is because they know only too well that no deal has to be on the table in order to get a better deal. To let the other side know that you are not prepared to walk away is absolute madness and puts us at a severe disadvantage in negotiations. But this is what its all about isn't it. Even the basics in business for Jeremy Corbyn are really hard to grasp. He's spent his whole life fighting for the rights of terrorists that he hasn't learnt a single thing that a PM or even cabinet minister would need to know to do their job well. Hence we end up with the worst opposition in parliament in living memory. I did, but you ignored it as usual. I'll put it more plainly. If ruling out no deal is so catastrophic, why does Cabinet member and Minister for Business and Industry, Richard Harrington support it? |
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Post by Palms Halt on Jan 22, 2019 12:54:55 GMT
Amazing isn't it that not a single person came back and responded to my point about no deal Brexit. This I would suspect is because they know only too well that no deal has to be on the table in order to get a better deal. To let the other side know that you are not prepared to walk away is absolute madness and puts us at a severe disadvantage in negotiations. But this is what its all about isn't it. Even the basics in business for Jeremy Corbyn are really hard to grasp. He's spent his whole life fighting for the rights of terrorists that he hasn't learnt a single thing that a PM or even cabinet minister would need to know to do their job well. Hence we end up with the worst opposition in parliament in living memory. I did, but you ignored it as usual. I'll put it more plainly. If ruling out no deal is so catastrophic, why does Cabinet member and Minister for Business and Industry, Richard Harrington support it? To be honest, it's mainly because this cabinet is the most inept that we have ever had. Jammo is correct that in negotiation there has to be some form of jeopardy that one side will happily walk away in order for that side to secure a good deal. You don't walk into a car showroom and tell them you'll take a car regardless of the price. You negotiate a price on the premise that if they don't give you the deal you want you'll buy a different car elsewhere. If they know you're going to take the car whatever they ask for then you'll get ripped off. Just because some Tory bell-end thinks we should rule out no deal doesn't mean anything. There's plenty of fellow bell-ends within that cabinet that would be happy with no deal. |
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Post by Palms Halt on Jan 22, 2019 14:08:30 GMT
Gigantes, Lad I’m sorry to take up your time. You’ve posted something in response to me and whilst I’m guessing it’s probably an insult, I’ve no idea what the photograph of a keyboard means Would you take the time to insult me in words that I can read. I know that in the left margin there’s a foot long series of letters, numbers and other symbols but for the life of me I can’t read or understand them. I’m fairly certain it’s an insult of sorts but it would be lovely to comprehend it. My very best wishes and warmest regards to you. Not an insult. It's just showing you the enter button as you don't seem to use it. If you split your long posts into paragraphs, hitting that nice big enter button a couple of times, it makes it loads easier to read. When your post is just a massive block of text it's just off-putting. It made my head hurt every time I started an attempt to read it, which is a bit of a shame as you've taken a while to write all that. |
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Post by sillymeadows on Jan 22, 2019 15:24:31 GMT
I voted to Leave for essentially two reasons. Firstly, every year since 2004 around 6 billion pounds in EU contributions of British sovereign wealth, earned here in Britain, has been diverted by the EU to East and Central European countries and spent to improve their economic prospects and infra structure. This money was never recycled within our own economy. That’s a recipe for di***ter. If any of you are familiar with the works of John Maynard Keynes, a notable economist with some significant respect, then you’ll quickly realise that to do this is fiscal folly. Thousands of miles of road, rail, transport hubs and factory buildings have been built with British money so as to make their countries economically competitive. The logical outcome of this social engineering experiment is that Britain and its workforce have themselves funded an economic competitor who is now in a position to take their job. And this redistribution of our wealth and Western wealth to countries who are extremely poor is already resulting in the loss of jobs here in Britain. Many companies, including Jaguar Landrover, are relocating to places like the Czech Republic because our money has made it all possible. Secondly, free movement of people. For a country like Britain to absorb nigh on 4 million people within only 16 years must surely have an impact upon the indigenous population. Think about it! That’s huge and because the vast majority of EU migrants are from very poor countries it’s reasonable to conclude they require much more financial support than those that arrive from wealthier Western nations. Imagine a home crowd at Old Trafford. Now multiply that crowd by a factor of 52 home games and you might just realise the enormity of these numbers and then consider that our woes are not just the fault of the easy to blame Ageing Population who are blamed for everything when shortages of public services are referenced. The problem with the Union is the imbalances that existed between the wealthy and the poor. There are two socio economic groups. The Haves and the Have Nots, So it’s hardly surprising that the Have Not group began their exodus West thats then heralded the greatest movement of people in the entire history of continental Europe. To emphasise this imbalance, take the 19 poorest EU member states and total up their combined GDP’s. Those 19 just about match the GDP of Britain. I’ve no idea why some intelligent people can claim that evidence shows that Brexit is a demonstrably proven national di***te of self harm when nothing of significance has happened. My guess is they’re a group who are susceptible to the politics of fear. They hear Mark Carney predict recession, doom and gloom and ignore his predecessor Mervin King who says the opposite predicting economic prosperity and freedom for the British people. For those who want to Remain because they are frightened of the consequences then they’re no different to the doomed passengers on a holed ocean liner who’d rather cling on and sink rather than jump into the brine and climb into a lifeboat. Today, the politics of the early twentieth century are alive and well. If you wish to control the thinking of people, then simply make them frightened and get them to do whatever it is the ruling elite want them to do. Sadly, I think it was Coleridge, who was right all along! There’ll be no departure from this totalitarian federalist collection of states who have embraced globalisation, capitalism and communism. As long as there’s a source of cheap labour and the host country and it’s citizens are prepared to pay for its purpose, we’ll be staying out. Best post on this thread Why every one so scared ? |
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Post by somnambulist on Jan 22, 2019 17:30:52 GMT
I voted to Leave for essentially two reasons. Firstly, every year since 2004 around 6 billion pounds in EU contributions of British sovereign wealth, earned here in Britain, has been diverted by the EU to East and Central European countries and spent to improve their economic prospects and infra structure. This money was never recycled within our own economy. That’s a recipe for di***ter. If any of you are familiar with the works of John Maynard Keynes, a notable economist with some significant respect, then you’ll quickly realise that to do this is fiscal folly. Thousands of miles of road, rail, transport hubs and factory buildings have been built with British money so as to make their countries economically competitive. The logical outcome of this social engineering experiment is that Britain and its workforce have themselves funded an economic competitor who is now in a position to take their job. And this redistribution of our wealth and Western wealth to countries who are extremely poor is already resulting in the loss of jobs here in Britain. Many companies, including Jaguar Landrover, are relocating to places like the Czech Republic because our money has made it all possible. Secondly, free movement of people. For a country like Britain to absorb nigh on 4 million people within only 16 years must surely have an impact upon the indigenous population. Think about it! That’s huge and because the vast majority of EU migrants are from very poor countries it’s reasonable to conclude they require much more financial support than those that arrive from wealthier Western nations. Imagine a home crowd at Old Trafford. Now multiply that crowd by a factor of 52 home games and you might just realise the enormity of these numbers and then consider that our woes are not just the fault of the easy to blame Ageing Population who are blamed for everything when shortages of public services are referenced. The problem with the Union is the imbalances that existed between the wealthy and the poor. There are two socio economic groups. The Haves and the Have Nots, So it’s hardly surprising that the Have Not group began their exodus West thats then heralded the greatest movement of people in the entire history of continental Europe. To emphasise this imbalance, take the 19 poorest EU member states and total up their combined GDP’s. Those 19 just about match the GDP of Britain. I’ve no idea why some intelligent people can claim that evidence shows that Brexit is a demonstrably proven national di***te of self harm when nothing of significance has happened. My guess is they’re a group who are susceptible to the politics of fear. They hear Mark Carney predict recession, doom and gloom and ignore his predecessor Mervin King who says the opposite predicting economic prosperity and freedom for the British people. For those who want to Remain because they are frightened of the consequences then they’re no different to the doomed passengers on a holed ocean liner who’d rather cling on and sink rather than jump into the brine and climb into a lifeboat. Today, the politics of the early twentieth century are alive and well. If you wish to control the thinking of people, then simply make them frightened and get them to do whatever it is the ruling elite want them to do. Sadly, I think it was Coleridge, who was right all along! There’ll be no departure from this totalitarian federalist collection of states who have embraced globalisation, capitalism and communism. As long as there’s a source of cheap labour and the host country and it’s citizens are prepared to pay for its purpose, we’ll be staying out. You might want to have a look at this before offering fact-free "reasonable" assumptions. fullfact.org/immigration/migration-and-welfare-benefits/ |
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