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Post by colebridgebull on Dec 12, 2018 12:58:33 GMT
Interestingly the Leave campaign made it very clear before the June 2016 vote that there was no question of BREXIT meaning leaving the single market or the customs union.
There was no “no Deal” being proposed. Indeed, the Secretary of State for Exiting the EU (one David Davis- the person with responsibility for it all) said that it would be the easiest thing in the world to negotiate a free trade deal with the EU,
Those who voted Leave were lied to. Again and again. You’re still being lied to.
And you know it.
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Post by Peroni on Dec 12, 2018 13:36:48 GMT
Only an idiot or a crook seeking to profit from the di***ter it will cause could support it over staying in the EU.
lot of idiots and crooks in the UK then |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 14:38:23 GMT
Only an idiot or a crook seeking to profit from the di***ter it will cause could support it over staying in the EU.
lot of idiots and crooks in the UK then True enough |
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Post by Barney still in B-Block on Dec 12, 2018 15:19:28 GMT
Only an idiot or a crook seeking to profit from the di***ter it will cause could support it over staying in the EU.
lot of idiots and crooks in the UK then
And none more than in Westminster. PMQ's today even more shambolic than usual, with two clueless,* head in the sand baboons braying at each other for ten minutes.
*and a supporting cast of hundreds, adding their usual quota of sweet feck all.
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Post by Peroni on Dec 12, 2018 15:25:03 GMT
and a supporting cast of hundreds, adding their usual quota of sweet feck all.
Ah ! I knew there was somewhere for ww |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 15:55:12 GMT
I did check that Bill is at work.
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Post by FASH on Dec 12, 2018 16:25:54 GMT
Only an idiot or a crook seeking to profit from the di***ter it will cause could support it over staying in the EU.
lot of idiots and crooks in the UK then True enough I wouldn't class people who see a no deal Brexit as a first step towards fighting globalism and corporatocrocy as idiots. Freedom fighters. |
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Post by youngsalmon on Dec 12, 2018 17:11:02 GMT
There has been no cohesive plan from the Brexiteers. Or Labour. Or apparent leader who isn't completely extreme. |
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Post by Peroni on Dec 12, 2018 17:26:33 GMT
I did check that Bill is at work. the Bill that will be supporting May tonight |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 17:42:39 GMT
Maybe we should have another vote on the Welsh parliament in Cardiff as well seeing as though Labour are in charge and I don't really like them. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 17:44:56 GMT
Interestingly the Leave campaign made it very clear before the June 2016 vote that there was no question of BREXIT meaning leaving the single market or the customs union. There was no “no Deal” being proposed. Indeed, the Secretary of State for Exiting the EU (one David Davis- the person with responsibility for it all) said that it would be the easiest thing in the world to negotiate a free trade deal with the EU, Those who voted Leave were lied to. Again and again. You’re still being lied to. And you know it. What about the Remain side claiming that the whole of the UK would burn into ashes and dust if we dared to vote leave? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 18:09:54 GMT
Interestingly the Leave campaign made it very clear before the June 2016 vote that there was no question of BREXIT meaning leaving the single market or the customs union. There was no “no Deal” being proposed. Indeed, the Secretary of State for Exiting the EU (one David Davis- the person with responsibility for it all) said that it would be the easiest thing in the world to negotiate a free trade deal with the EU, Those who voted Leave were lied to. Again and again. You’re still being lied to. And you know it. What about the Remain side claiming that the whole of the UK would burn into ashes and dust if we dared to vote leave? Watch this space. |
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Post by indefatigabull on Dec 12, 2018 18:14:00 GMT
Interestingly the Leave campaign made it very clear before the June 2016 vote that there was no question of BREXIT meaning leaving the single market or the customs union. There was no “no Deal” being proposed. Indeed, the Secretary of State for Exiting the EU (one David Davis- the person with responsibility for it all) said that it would be the easiest thing in the world to negotiate a free trade deal with the EU, Those who voted Leave were lied to. Again and again. You’re still being lied to. And you know it. What about the Remain side claiming that the whole of the UK would burn into ashes and dust if we dared to vote leave? You think it isn't? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 18:15:49 GMT
What about the Remain side claiming that the whole of the UK would burn into ashes and dust if we dared to vote leave? Watch this space. Its not watch this space its already happened. Trouble is what we're seeing at the moment is deliberate sabotage. Some people want this to be a disaster. If Britain is high flying 5 years from now outside of the EU they'd have to eat humble pie. Its like when Theresa May said the other day in parliament do we want to make a success of Brexit and the SNP all shouted "NO!" in reply. I respect that many MP's disagree with Brexit but in all honesty some people want lining up against a wall and shooting for colluding with the EU during negotiations. Its full on bordering on treason. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 18:19:24 GMT
What about the Remain side claiming that the whole of the UK would burn into ashes and dust if we dared to vote leave? You think it isn't? Maybe for all the kids in parliament. But we've got decent economic growth, highest ever number of people in work, low unemployment and wages went up the other day highest in over 10 years? Just because parliament is having a hard time agreeing on a deal doesn't mean that the country from an economic point of view is failing. I think if the deal were to get done you'd see a lot of investment that has been held back coming in. I'm talking about the here and now. You all said we'd been in recession by now and yet that is a million miles away from being the truth. |
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Post by colebridgebull on Dec 12, 2018 19:07:47 GMT
Interestingly the Leave campaign made it very clear before the June 2016 vote that there was no question of BREXIT meaning leaving the single market or the customs union. There was no “no Deal” being proposed. Indeed, the Secretary of State for Exiting the EU (one David Davis- the person with responsibility for it all) said that it would be the easiest thing in the world to negotiate a free trade deal with the EU, Those who voted Leave were lied to. Again and again. You’re still being lied to. And you know it. What about the Remain side claiming that the whole of the UK would burn into ashes and dust if we dared to vote leave? Not sure anyone ever said that, but am happy to be corrected if you can provide a link. Mark Carney has been frequently quite wrongly attacked for pointing out certain worst case scenarios. But that, of course, is his job. Prepare for the worst. What is correct and agreed by economists of all political persuasions is that a "no deal" departure would be economically disastrous. But experts.....pfft. |
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Post by somnambulist on Dec 12, 2018 19:24:16 GMT
Maybe for all the kids in parliament. But we've got decent economic growth, highest ever number of people in work, low unemployment and wages went up the other day highest in over 10 years? Just because parliament is having a hard time agreeing on a deal doesn't mean that the country from an economic point of view is failing. I think if the deal were to get done you'd see a lot of investment that has been held back coming in. I'm talking about the here and now. You all said we'd been in recession by now and yet that is a million miles away from being the truth. Food banks, soup kitchens, increasing numbers sleeping on the streets... No one drinks the kool aid like you, Jammo. Fair play like. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 19:26:01 GMT
Its not watch this space its already happened. Trouble is what we're seeing at the moment is deliberate sabotage. Some people want this to be a di***ter. If Britain is high flying 5 years from now outside of the EU they'd have to eat humble pie. Its like when Theresa May said the other day in parliament do we want to make a success of Brexit and the SNP all shouted "NO!" in reply. I respect that many MP's disagree with Brexit but in all honesty some people want lining up against a wall and shooting for colluding with the EU during negotiations. Its full on bordering on treason. Sorry chum but that it incoherent, I have no idea what you are trying to say. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 19:26:25 GMT
You might like to reflect on the difference between a referendum and an election.
In an election, you vote for a person who also happens to belong to a party so you don't tend to have as strong an opinion as:
a binary vote whereby you say Yes or No, In or Out - that kind of thing. Which is presumably why there was a decent turnout.
However, if you want to change something - in this case vote OUT - you are more likely to turn out and cast a vote than somebody wanting the status quo.
I'm the only person in the world who sees this.
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Post by Incognito on Dec 12, 2018 19:28:21 GMT
What about the Remain side claiming that the whole of the UK would burn into ashes and dust if we dared to vote leave? Not sure anyone ever said that, but am happy to be corrected if you can provide a link. Mark Carney has been frequently quite wrongly attacked for pointing out certain worst case scenarios. But that, of course, is his job. Prepare for the worst. What is correct and agreed by economists of all political persuasions is that a "no deal" departure would be economically di***trous. But experts.....pfft. That's partly the point. Both the recent Treasury predictions and Carney's comments were based on assumptions laid down by the Cabinet and reflected an "at worst" situation. No-one has even been asked to produce midway projections let alone an "at best" forecast. The whole negotiation process has been a complete botch. I don't believe for one moment that either David Davies or Dominic Raab were actually being allowed to conduct their own discussions. |
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