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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 20:14:34 GMT
I voted ‘out’ because for the first time in my life, I had a vote that might actually change something. I hate the EU and all their stupid beaurocracy and profligacy, and my perception of the eroding of the identity of our once great land. So I was overjoyed when the result was announced, and took great pleasure from the anguish of the remainers (who seemed incapable of accepting the only true democratic decision that most of them will ever experience). Now, I hate the imbeciles who are too pathetic to man up and get this business sorted, I hate the EU even more because of their supercilious stance, and I cannot tell you how much I hate Cameron. As for a rerun of the vote, that would be a disaster, as if the remainers won (not 100% certain), then the Tw£ts in Brussels would undoubtedly impose such draconian clauses in our membership contract, that although we would be ‘in’, we would wish we were out again. Our so-called government need to grow a pair, stop fannying about and fecking get on with it. Best post on this thread. You do have to blame the remoaners for much of the mess we're in. If they'd accepted the democratic vote and got behind the government 2 years ago instead of undermining them at every opportunity then maybe we wouldn't be in such a mess now. No. You still haven't told us what you want.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 20:20:12 GMT
And, regardless of your political affiliations, you should find it impossible to argue with the above. Nail. Right on the head, Donkey! No. Electorate returns Tories to power. Tories had knocked economy into shape. Labour can't be trusted with the economy. If the economy has been knocked into shape, how come it was the EU which was "messing things" up (for Peroni.) So, how can any Tory advocate Brexit? "It's the economy stupid."
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Post by donkey on Jul 10, 2018 20:34:40 GMT
Best post on this thread. You do have to blame the remoaners for much of the mess we're in. If they'd accepted the democratic vote and got behind the government 2 years ago instead of undermining them at every opportunity then maybe we wouldn't be in such a mess now. No. You still haven't told us what you want. Lime most leave voters I'm quite happy for us to continue to trade with out EU neighbours. Unfortunately instead of staying as a trading union the EU has become an out of control monster that wants to abandon all national boundaries and create a European Superstate. I also want an end to freedom of movement and for the UK to control it's own borders. Tens of thousands of Eastern European asylum seekers have poured into the UK in recent years and our infrastructure, our schools and our hospitals simply can't cope with them. How many people from the UK have gone in the other direction to live and work in Romania for example? Ten, twenty at most? Now do you see why freedom of movement is bad for the UK? Everyone wants to come and live here, hardly anyone wants to go in the opposite direction.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 20:37:59 GMT
No. You still haven't told us what you want. Lime most leave voters I'm quite happy for us to continue to trade with out EU neighbours. Unfortunately instead of staying as a trading union the EU has become an out of control monster that wants to abandon all national boundaries and create a European Superstate. I also want an end to freedom of movement and for the UK to control it's own borders. Tens of thousands of Eastern European asylum seekers have poured into the UK in recent years and our infrastructure, our schools and our hospitals simply can't cope with them. How many people from the UK have gone in the other direction to live and work in Romania for example? Ten, twenty at most? Now do you see why freedom of movement is bad for the UK? Everyone wants to come and live here, hardly anyone wants to go in the opposite direction. Well, of course they want to come and live here. It's pretty good. So what was the point of changing it? Feck me (Sorry, Peroni.)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 22:08:46 GMT
Tens of thousands of Eastern European asylum seekers have poured into the UK in recent years
“A person who owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of his former habitual residence as a result of such events, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it.” The 1951 United Nations Convention Relating to the Status of Refugee
With that in mind, from which Eastern European countries are they seeking asylum and why?
I thought that the Eastern Europeans working on Herefordshire farms and in in Herefordshire factories were legally here as citizens of the EC.
Or am I missing something?
As for your other question, it is estimated that 1.3 million people born in the UK live in other EU countries. Which sort of knocks your "tens of thousands" into a cocked hat. But please don't let facts derail your xenophobic nonsense.
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Post by indefatigabull on Jul 10, 2018 22:14:53 GMT
Like most reasonable people I feel that the problem isn't Brexit, it's the fact the government tasked with doing it is full of remoaners. We need to get rid of May and appoint a new PM who won't take any crap from the EU's unelected bureaucrats. Either Boris or Jacob Rees Mugg would be ideal <iframe width="16.159999999999968" height="4.199999999999989" style="position: absolute; width: 16.159999999999968px; height: 4.199999999999989px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_44544819" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="16.159999999999968" height="4.199999999999989" style="position: absolute; width: 16.16px; height: 4.2px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 755px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_73523496" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="16.159999999999968" height="4.199999999999989" style="position: absolute; width: 16.16px; height: 4.2px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 149px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_46137222" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="16.159999999999968" height="4.199999999999989" style="position: absolute; width: 16.16px; height: 4.2px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 755px; top: 149px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_87722776" scrolling="no"></iframe> 'Boris would be ideal.' I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that before. Ever.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 22:32:30 GMT
Tens of thousands of Eastern European asylum seekers have poured into the UK in recent years
“A person who owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of his former habitual residence as a result of such events, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it.” The 1951 United Nations Convention Relating to the Status of Refugee
With that in mind, from which Eastern European countries are they seeking asylum and why?
I thought that the Eastern Europeans working on Herefordshire farms and in in Herefordshire factories were legally here as citizens of the EC.
Or am I missing something?
As for your other question, it is estimated that 1.3 million people born in the UK live in other EU countries. Which sort of knocks your "tens of thousands" into a cocked hat. But please don't let facts derail your xenophobic nonsense.
Why not post under your genuine account rather than trying to hide away from your real opinions? Why don't you get the graphs out that show how much the population has risen in the last 15 years and then put another one showing how much house prices have gone up with it.
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Post by Incognito on Jul 11, 2018 8:17:42 GMT
Many of those Brits who live abroad have done so since the sixties and are not there due to The EU.
Lies, statistics, and damn statistics.
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Post by colebridgebull on Jul 11, 2018 8:21:58 GMT
Have lived there for 50 years or more?
They're in for a nasty shock when their pensions and free medical care go (not actually true, but I thought I'd put it on the side of a bus in Estepona)
Latest figures suggest 80% of British Citizens living and working in the EU are of working age. Simple mathematics suggest that anyone who moved pre 1972 is now almost certainly retired. The best position at the moment is that those working in the EU will be unaffected as long as they remain in the country for that they are in as at 29 March 2019. After that, who knows.
Just thought I'd mention again that the concept of free movement being equivalent to unlimited immigration is completely wrong. The current position is that anyone in the EU can travel to the UK for up to three months. There is no right to claim benefits etc. There is no right to social housing. There is no right to put your children into UK schools, and the only right to free health care arises with the E111 card. Same as UK citizens visiting Europe.
The pressures on social housing, education and the NHS are numerous. Immigration is a factor of course. The main one is chronic underfunding brought about by the austerity measures uniquely applied by the Govt since 2010. Classic diversion tactics of course-don't blame us-blame those people who look and speak a bit different.
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Post by Incognito on Jul 11, 2018 8:42:21 GMT
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Post by Peroni on Jul 11, 2018 9:19:59 GMT
blame those people who look and speak a bit different.
Upper class people ?
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Post by colebridgebull on Jul 11, 2018 9:31:18 GMT
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Post by singe on Jul 11, 2018 10:13:13 GMT
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Post by nailswortholdbull on Jul 11, 2018 14:05:04 GMT
Since this thread has degenerated into one of name calling, cussing, and one of general bad feeling, I'm about to opt out. But, I'll leave you with this thought, statistics can be used to underwrite and justify almost any argument, on either side of this divide. Forecasts are merely that, just forecasts, and, therefore, entirely hypothetical. And, as for economists...……...well, the head of the Bank of England, AND our past Chancellor, Mr Osborne, who both headed up huge teams of economic "experts", got it so resoundingly wrong PRE Brexit, why should we believe anything that they, or any other economist, forecasts about POST Brexit. Finally, in answer to WW's hilarious, rib cracking, and much overused, quote, can I respond to him by advising him that, "They are economists, stupid!"
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Post by donkey on Jul 11, 2018 17:04:44 GMT
There's a very interesting quote in the one review of that book on your link. "Diane Abbott sent her children to one of the most expensive private schools in London. When asked how she could justify her action she replied: 'people like me want the best for their children '. Apparently the rest of us don't! Jeremy Corbin has a circle of close friends who attended private schools. Some members of Momentum also were privately educated." So in your desperate attempt to smear those nasty Tories you've unwittingly exposed your own political heroes from the Labour Party as hypocrites!
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Post by unitedalways on Jul 11, 2018 17:32:07 GMT
oops wrong subject sorry
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Post by singe on Jul 11, 2018 18:29:58 GMT
There's a very interesting quote in the one review of that book on your link. "Diane Abbott sent her children to one of the most expensive private schools in London. When asked how she could justify her action she replied: 'people like me want the best for their children '. Apparently the rest of us don't! Jeremy Corbin has a circle of close friends who attended private schools. Some members of Momentum also were privately educated." So in your desperate attempt to smear those nasty Tories you've unwittingly exposed your own political heroes from the Labour Party as hypocrites! I never mentioned the Tory party. Though you're correct there are some double standards - but it still doesn't take away from the fact that Britain is run by an elite who think they have a god given right and some people just seem happy to sit back and take it.
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Post by willi on Jul 11, 2018 21:26:51 GMT
I still dont think it will happen
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Post by Gresty on Jul 11, 2018 21:59:34 GMT
There's a very interesting quote in the one review of that book on your link. "Diane Abbott sent her children to one of the most expensive private schools in London. When asked how she could justify her action she replied: 'people like me want the best for their children '. Apparently the rest of us don't! Jeremy Corbin has a circle of close friends who attended private schools. Some members of Momentum also were privately educated." So in your desperate attempt to smear those nasty Tories you've unwittingly exposed your own political heroes from the Labour Party as hypocrites! As a point of order, Abbott has only one child. Still sent him to a private school, mind. You're welcome.
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Post by donkey on Jul 11, 2018 22:15:20 GMT
There's a very interesting quote in the one review of that book on your link. "Diane Abbott sent her children to one of the most expensive private schools in London. When asked how she could justify her action she replied: 'people like me want the best for their children '. Apparently the rest of us don't! Jeremy Corbin has a circle of close friends who attended private schools. Some members of Momentum also were privately educated." So in your desperate attempt to smear those nasty Tories you've unwittingly exposed your own political heroes from the Labour Party as hypocrites! As a point of order, Abbott has only one child. Still sent him to a private school, mind. You're welcome. I know Diane Abbott's clueless with figures but the fact she can't even work out how many children she has says it all! Last hope she never becomes Chancellor of the Ex Checker.
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