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Post by colebridgebull on Jul 10, 2018 14:45:15 GMT
Yes. Nobody apoears capable of doing just that though. Despite attempting (and singularly failing) to do it for what seems an age. That is our collective problem, wouldn't you say? Agree completely with the above. The problem with addressing the collective problem is that those leading the BREXIT fan club have shown no interest in admitting that there is a problem, never mind begun to address it. Instead they have, almost without fail, taken to the hills as soon as the heat has begun to be applied. The stance of the Daily Mail is going to switch to Remain in the next couple of months. You just watch...
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Post by Hawkeye on Jul 10, 2018 14:47:27 GMT
"Would I sacrifice anything to leave?"
I believe negotiation involves give and take on both sides.
I'll give up something if you'll give up something of equal value or importance to enable us to reach agreement.
For God's sake, the Cabinet seem to have difficulty agreeing what day of the week it is, let alone agreeing a satisfactory strategy to move the current impasse forward.
And the opposition aren't covering themselves in glory on this either. It's easy to sit on the sidelines and decry the government. Maybe putting forward some credible ideas might be helpful.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 15:06:51 GMT
Were another referendum to be called
They would have to call 2 more, to make it the best of 3 That's what the remoaners want. Keep having referendums until the people vote to stay in the EU. Democracy is irrelevant to them. As soon as you use the term "remoaner" any vestige of credibility you had left is gone. The people "moaning" were surely those who wanted to change the status quo (inexplicably.) The people who wanted to retain the status quo were happy with their lot in life. Do you not have the apparatus to think before you hijack a term used by some other fecking idiot?
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Post by Palms Halt on Jul 10, 2018 15:11:52 GMT
The opposition are backed by somebody who doesn't oppose Brexit, so not sure what you expect of them? Their job isn't to oppose everything regardless, and their job isn't to govern. If the country wanted that party to make all of the decisions and sort this out then the country would've put them in government. It's how democracy works.
I don't feel that most people who voted to leave were willing to give up anything, but that's just a hunch based on the soundbites I've heard people say. Obviously there will be many who do more than talk in soundbites and have a real idea of how they envisaged things panning out for the better.
I know remoaners/remainiacs got panned for scare tactics, but this looks like ending up far worse than I ever thought, and worse than most of the supposed scare stories I read. It's really worrying.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 15:19:10 GMT
That's what the remoaners want. Keep having referendums until the people vote to stay in the EU. Democracy is irrelevant to them. As soon as you use the term "remoaner" any vestige of credibility you had left is gone. That ship sailed* long before Munsley pulled the plug on Bulls Banter. * Sailed, hit stormy waters, becalmed, mutinied, sank. Lost with all hands.
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Post by Peroni on Jul 10, 2018 15:23:32 GMT
That's what the remoaners want. Keep having referendums until the people vote to stay in the EU. Democracy is irrelevant to them. As soon as you use the term "remoaner" any vestige of credibility you had left is gone. The people "moaning" were surely those who wanted to change the status quo (inexplicably.) The people who wanted to retain the status quo were happy with their lot in life. Do you not have the apparatus to think before you hijack a term used by some other fecking idiot? is it time you reduced the volume of the f word. given your extensive knowledge of arcticulation
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Post by Hawkeye on Jul 10, 2018 15:27:26 GMT
He's only writing it.
I can't actually hear it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 15:28:14 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 16:47:43 GMT
I voted ‘out’ because for the first time in my life, I had a vote that might actually change something. I hate the EU and all their stupid beaurocracy and profligacy, and my perception of the eroding of the identity of our once great land. So I was overjoyed when the result was announced, and took great pleasure from the anguish of the remainers (who seemed incapable of accepting the only true democratic decision that most of them will ever experience). Now, I hate the imbeciles who are too pathetic to man up and get this business sorted, I hate the EU even more because of their supercilious stance, and I cannot tell you how much I hate Cameron. As for a rerun of the vote, that would be a disaster, as if the remainers won (not 100% certain), then the Tw£ts in Brussels would undoubtedly impose such draconian clauses in our membership contract, that although we would be ‘in’, we would wish we were out again. Our so-called government need to grow a pair, stop fannying about and fecking get on with it.
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Post by Hawkeye on Jul 10, 2018 17:18:23 GMT
Fair play, I wish I had been capable of writing that.
Good work.
Except that were there to be a rerun of the vote our current membership of the EU would be unaffected wouldn't it?
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Post by donkey on Jul 10, 2018 17:24:29 GMT
I voted ‘out’ because for the first time in my life, I had a vote that might actually change something. I hate the EU and all their stupid beaurocracy and profligacy, and my perception of the eroding of the identity of our once great land. So I was overjoyed when the result was announced, and took great pleasure from the anguish of the remainers (who seemed incapable of accepting the only true democratic decision that most of them will ever experience). Now, I hate the imbeciles who are too pathetic to man up and get this business sorted, I hate the EU even more because of their supercilious stance, and I cannot tell you how much I hate Cameron. As for a rerun of the vote, that would be a disaster, as if the remainers won (not 100% certain), then the Tw£ts in Brussels would undoubtedly impose such draconian clauses in our membership contract, that although we would be ‘in’, we would wish we were out again. Our so-called government need to grow a pair, stop fannying about and fecking get on with it. Best post on this thread. You do have to blame the remoaners for much of the mess we're in. If they'd accepted the democratic vote and got behind the government 2 years ago instead of undermining them at every opportunity then maybe we wouldn't be in such a mess now.
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Post by nailswortholdbull on Jul 10, 2018 17:32:55 GMT
And, regardless of your political affiliations, you should find it impossible to argue with the above. Nail. Right on the head, Donkey!
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Post by Incognito on Jul 10, 2018 17:53:23 GMT
I voted ‘out’ because for the first time in my life, I had a vote that might actually change something. I hate the EU and all their stupid beaurocracy and profligacy, and my perception of the eroding of the identity of our once great land. So I was overjoyed when the result was announced, and took great pleasure from the anguish of the remainers (who seemed incapable of accepting the only true democratic decision that most of them will ever experience). Now, I hate the imbeciles who are too pathetic to man up and get this business sorted, I hate the EU even more because of their supercilious stance, and I cannot tell you how much I hate Cameron. As for a rerun of the vote, that would be a disaster, as if the remainers won (not 100% certain), then the Tw£ts in Brussels would undoubtedly impose such draconian clauses in our membership contract, that although we would be ‘in’, we would wish we were out again. Our so-called government need to grow a pair, stop fannying about and fecking get on with it. ![](http://68.media.tumblr.com/04952c560e3ffb028263730d9234e059/tumblr_oobgrfBtl71s9a9yjo1_500.gif)
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Post by Palms Halt on Jul 10, 2018 18:30:36 GMT
You do have to blame the remoaners for much of the mess we're in. If they'd accepted the democratic vote and got behind the government 2 years ago instead of undermining them at every opportunity then maybe we wouldn't be in such a mess now. What? There’s enough people who wanted to leave to get things sorted. Government are supposed to get things done. Countless governments of the past have carried out policy in the past, even when opposed by large portions of the population. It was bloody obvious it would be a mess, but the people to blame are those that couldn’t see that and voted for it anyway. Sort your own mess out.
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Post by singe on Jul 10, 2018 18:42:53 GMT
Were another referendum to be called
They would have to call 2 more, to make it the best of 3 That's what the remoaners want. Keep having referendums until the people vote to stay in the EU. Democracy is irrelevant to them. Yet Farage himself said prior to the referendum that he would push for a re-run if he lost. Double standards methinks.
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Post by Palms Halt on Jul 10, 2018 18:56:40 GMT
That's what the remoaners want. Keep having referendums until the people vote to stay in the EU. Democracy is irrelevant to them. Yet Farage himself said prior to the referendum that he would push for a re-run if he lost. Double standards methinks. This is conveniently ignored by both him and his brethren.
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Post by singe on Jul 10, 2018 18:56:41 GMT
I voted ‘out’ because for the first time in my life, I had a vote that might actually change something. I hate the EU and all their stupid beaurocracy and profligacy, and my perception of the eroding of the identity of our once great land. So I was overjoyed when the result was announced, and took great pleasure from the anguish of the remainers (who seemed incapable of accepting the only true democratic decision that most of them will ever experience). Now, I hate the imbeciles who are too pathetic to man up and get this business sorted, I hate the EU even more because of their supercilious stance, and I cannot tell you how much I hate Cameron. As for a rerun of the vote, that would be a disaster, as if the remainers won (not 100% certain), then the Tw£ts in Brussels would undoubtedly impose such draconian clauses in our membership contract, that although we would be ‘in’, we would wish we were out again. Our so-called government need to grow a pair, stop fannying about and fecking get on with it. Best post on this thread. You do have to blame the remoaners for much of the mess we're in. If they'd accepted the democratic vote and got behind the government 2 years ago instead of undermining them at every opportunity then maybe we wouldn't be in such a mess now. Yet the current mess is down to Tories arguing over hard Brexit versus soft Brexit and has been for ages. The Remainers are simply exercising their democratic right.
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Post by Palms Halt on Jul 10, 2018 19:02:58 GMT
When are the people responsible for this mess going to step up, take responsibility for their actions and sort this mess out? Those who pushed for this need to step up to the plate and prove to all those who voted remain that they were wrong.
I’d be delighted to find that this isn’t the clusterfeck that it appears to be, and that we’re much better without the EU. Please prove me wrong
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Post by Skomer on Jul 10, 2018 19:14:48 GMT
So the Brexiteers blame the Remainers for the mess. Nonsense. The Brexiteers won and own the process. Stop moaning and get on with it - if you can.
The problems are nothing to do with anything other than the fact that the cost of leaving the EU is very high. I am no lover of the EU, but to blame them for sticking to their rules is a bit rich. How many times have we been told we cannot have our cake and eat it. On this forum there were people saying that they needed us more than we need them. Absolute tosh.
There are 4 choices - stay in the EU (ignore a democratic mandate), Norway model (vassal state), Canada (UK industry damaged and NI leaves the union), WTO (22% import duty on food, UK car industry wiped out, hard border for NI and we become a rule taker of an organisation we are not even a member of - no taking back control). Don't accuse me of propagating project fear unless you explain how the problems summarised above will be avoided.
So would someone like to explain what you would do if you had absolute control - but you must explain how it will work and how we will be better off.
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Post by colebridgebull on Jul 10, 2018 19:26:49 GMT
There is no democratic mandate for any type of BREXIT -hard, soft or anything in between.
The referendum was advisory. The choice was binary. There was no timescale imposed.
It could have been argued that there was no requirement to do anything other than in the UK's own time. That would have been the sensible, rational decision.
If you use the poker analogy, you sit on your hands until you've got something worth playing.
The fault is categorically not that if anyone who voted to remain. It's with those who voted and insisted on unicorns and jam today.
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