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Post by jimcarrey on May 30, 2017 19:51:53 GMT
Quite possible I'm being dense again but given that the NHS is largely paid for by National Insurance tax surely an increase in popular shouldn't affect anything?! All immigration arguments are also laid as ridiculous. I agree that people go a bit nuts with it all. I've only used it once and I felt guilty even then - it's a comfort blanket imo and should be treated as such. I meant to define the ageing population part of my post. Think of all the folks over 60+ that no longer contribute but use the nhs compared to say 50 years ago when the average lifespan was a lot lower. And I dare say there are a lot more people who are unemployed now compared to back then. Incognito. Above is my original post. You can see that at no point I suggest that any retired folks haven't contributed to the coffers during their time. Edit....buggar that didn't work. |
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Post by Fireman Sam on May 30, 2017 19:56:02 GMT
Were you briefed by a team of aids hours prior to speaking to your client? Whilst I can accept people making mistakes it really is unacceptable on the day his policy was being launched. After the Abbot fiasco it must have been covered in his briefing so either a) he can't cope under pressure or b) he just struggles to take things in. Either way I just can't bring myself to imagine the man leading the country. Nope, neither was it 128 pages long. He should have known the answer but, unless you're desperately seeking to pick holes (which is what most of this campaign seems to be based on), then I think it's perhaps understandable. Wouldn't disagree that the campaign from the conservatives has been based upon attacks on Corbyn rather than their own policies. It's been one of the factors that has turned me off the whole thing. Politics in general over the last decade has become more and more about media sound bites for the social media/24hrs news generation and less and less about facts. I guess I just find it incredible that he didn't know. I mean it must have been fact number 1 on his briefing sheet. How much is this policy going to cost and how are you going to fund it. Those are the 2 questions any interviewer friendly or hostile were going to ask. |
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Post by jimcarrey on May 30, 2017 19:57:03 GMT
Here you go....
Some interesting points and thoughts on here and I can see where you are coming from CB.
However, who amongst us would have actually thought the majority would vote out back in June last year?!
The polls and general consensus may say one thing but the real deal will be known in early June.
Personally I believe that most politicians are full of it and when it comes to it are only out to look after themselves...and if they make a pig of it it doesn't matter because there is virtually no accountability(sp). Nice big pay packet and someone will always have their back if it goes tits up!
Exactly the same with any big business especially those in the public sector. Look at the NHS.
The population is expanding all the time for several reasons and it will get to the stage where major public investment will need to happen one way or the other.
In addition previous generations wouldn't attend A&E or ring 999 unless it was a dire emergency. Now every man and his dog do if they have run out of medication or the cat is stuck up the tree.
No wonder the thing is going belly up! Perhaps it's a out time they introduced fines for all the moronic call outs for ambulances etc.
And yes you are correct. All the wonga in the kitty has paid for the treatment of anyone that has yet to contribute but I wasn't making that point in the first place.
And secondly, yes I have been drinking.
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Post by Monkey Tennis on May 30, 2017 20:02:15 GMT
Here you go.... Some interesting points and thoughts on here and I can see where you are coming from CB. However, who amongst us would have actually thought the majority would vote out back in June last year?! The polls and general consensus may say one thing but the real deal will be known in early June. Personally I believe that most politicians are full of it and when it comes to it are only out to look after themselves...and if they make a pig of it it doesn't matter because there is virtually no accountability(sp). Nice big pay packet and someone will always have their back if it goes tits up! Exactly the same with any big business especially those in the public sector. Look at the NHS. The population is expanding all the time for several reasons and it will get to the stage where major public investment will need to happen one way or the other. In addition previous generations wouldn't attend A&E or ring 999 unless it was a dire emergency. Now every man and his dog do if they have run out of medication or the cat is stuck up the tree. No wonder the thing is going belly up! Perhaps it's a out time they introduced fines for all the moronic call outs for ambulances etc. And yes you are correct. All the wonga in the kitty has paid for the treatment of anyone that has yet to contribute but I wasn't making that point in the first place. And secondly, yes I have been drinking. Sex, sex, sex. That's all you think about. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 20:05:09 GMT
Although I live in Hereford, I vote in the North Herefordshire constituency.
Nobody talks about Roger Page (?) or Wiggin.
Why are you all talking about Corbyn and May?
I haven't had either of the former knocking on the door yet.
Looking at pictures of the one gentleman, he'll want to get a fecking move on, I would have thought?
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Post by castlebull on May 30, 2017 21:24:40 GMT
I meant to define the ageing population part of my post. Think of all the folks over 60+ that no longer contribute but use the nhs compared to say 50 years ago when the average lifespan was a lot lower. And I dare say there are a lot more people who are unemployed now compared to back then. %Think of all the people 60+ who have worked and paid for 50 years or more, sometimes we paid more sometimes less as demanded by incumbents in power, but pay we did. Now you're saying we are not entitled to that which we largely paid for. Everyone gets old, even you one day. Worth noting I made the point being quite facicous as none of the measures noted are even remotely necessary if the government can just allocate funds properly. That being said; I appreciate that the elderly folk paid for the NHS during my first 18 years but given the expected extended life expectancies surely it would be unfair to expect future generations to pay greatly enhanced contributions over a longer period. After all, many of this pensioner generation has lived through 'the golden age'.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 22:13:18 GMT
Well, for those wanting to focus on local rather than national politicians I thought I'd post up my local Conservative candidate, Guto Bebb
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 22:27:03 GMT
Unfortunately for Mr Bebb he is fighting against Labour's Emily Owen.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 22:45:48 GMT
Labour gain.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 23:06:13 GMT
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Post by mikeunderpenyard on May 30, 2017 23:19:00 GMT
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Post by singe on May 30, 2017 23:36:03 GMT
Haha, that's a good find. Yes, New Zealand lamb is special though. Mind you, at least she was just mistaken and not deliberately trying to lie www.youtube.com/watch?v=g82E1S4KMsE |
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Post by Incognito on May 31, 2017 8:16:38 GMT
%Think of all the people 60+ who have worked and paid for 50 years or more, sometimes we paid more sometimes less as demanded by incumbents in power, but pay we did. Now you're saying we are not entitled to that which we largely paid for. Everyone gets old, even you one day. Worth noting I made the point being quite facicous as none of the measures noted are even remotely necessary if the government can just allocate funds properly. That being said; I appreciate that the elderly folk paid for the NHS during my first 18 years but given the expected extended life expectancies surely it would be unfair to expect future generations to pay greatly enhanced contributions over a longer period. After all, many of this pensioner generation has lived through 'the golden age'. The most recent FT life expectancy forecast predicts a further 22.2 years after the age of 65. With the proposed retirement age going to 67 years that leaves 20 years of non-payment compared with the 18 I suggested for non-payment at the other end of the lifespan. Not a great deal of difference.
The FT also note that the average life expectancy "of men and women at the age of 65 has dropped in the past three years, according to research."
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 8:24:06 GMT
Well, for those wanting to focus on local rather than national politicians I thought I'd post up my local Conservative candidate, Guto Bebb Here's my Labour candidate: He's from Bromyard. It's not, is it?
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Post by Peroni on May 31, 2017 9:02:10 GMT
Although I live in Hereford, I vote in the North Herefordshire constituency. Nobody talks about Roger Page (?) or Wiggin. Why are you all talking about Corbyn and May? I haven't had either of the former knocking on the door yet.Looking at pictures of the one gentleman, he'll want to get a fecking move on, I would have thought? He's been chasing you around the countryside but cant keep up, then by the time he gets his drink from the bar, you're off again. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 13:37:54 GMT
Jezza's goin' to knock 'em bandy tonite.
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Post by castlebull on May 31, 2017 14:20:40 GMT
Interesting to see that the IFS - contrary to posts on this thread and indeed Teresa May's sole argument for this election - don't believe the Labour manifesto will cause any more fiscal problems for the economy than the Tory version.
So essentially that fancy-Dan, pie-in-the-sky, too-good-to-be-true manifesto can officially be recognised - if it wasn't already - as a fully costed and viable alternative to the budget cuts and demolition of the NHS proposed by May et al.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 14:43:31 GMT
Talk this morning of a hung parliament. Don't see it myself but even two weeks ago you'd never have imagined it.
My take on it is that, even in these days of social media, alt-right propaganda and money talking, sound bites and photo opportunities in safe seats are no substitute for good old fashioned campaigning. (At Tranmere FC for example.)
Remember that Corbyn has already taken part in (and won) two elections against all odds and in the face of some pretty vile opponents in the last couple of years. He has thousands of activists on the streets who are just starting to make their mark. Like a good distance runner they have timed it perfectly coming round the final bend.
IMO the Tories have made two massive mistakes. One is underestimating Corbyn's personal appeal (policies and history aside if it suits you) as illustrated by his manhole covers and jar of jam last night, and the other is treating the electorate like mugs.
Given the choice between a nice fella, a decent human being who genuinely cares about people and a vile trollop who very obviously doesn't give a toss about anything except preserving the status quo and its tightening stranglehold on every aspect of our everyday lives, I place my trust in the British people to take a bit of a stand this time round. It probably won't be enough but it will at least make us feel a bit better about ourselves.
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