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Post by jimcarrey on May 29, 2017 16:13:51 GMT
Indeed. Just turned on the TV to see May addressing another group of Tory activists in leafy Twickenham.. She started well, seems to have softened some edges and was making good sense. For a few minutes. Wasn't long before she reverted to type with the usual well worn digs at Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott. Of course, the audience lapped it up, braying in support. When it came to the Tories' own policies there was a vacuum that wouldn't have been out of place in the blackest of black holes. Meaningless platitudes about trusting them to be "strong and stable". They have nothing. Their only position is to suggest that May (and their whole campaign is focused on her) has the strength of personality and leadership to cope with the demands of Brexit. She has the gall to attack Corbyn for his leadership credentials when he has come through two bruising leadership campaigns, has been the subject of the most appalling series of attacks by the media, and yet has rallied the Labour vote to a point where the Tories are at real risk of losing their overall majority. Calling the election was the most monumentally stupid and unnecessary act. If it was intended to "destroy" the opposition it has backfired spectacularly. The Tories will undoubtedly win the most seats at the election, but they have weakened themselves hugely in doing so, and are likely to have irretrievably damaged their position in the forthcoming Brexit negotiations. "Strong and Stable? My arse" Some interesting points and thoughts on here and I can see where you are coming from CB. However, who amongst us would have actually thought the majority would vote out back in June last year?! The polls and general consensus may say one thing but the real deal will be known in early June. Personally I believe that most politicians are full of it and when it comes to it are only out to look after themselves...and if they make a pig of it it doesn't matter because there is virtually no accountability(sp). Nice big pay packet and someone will always have their back if it goes tits up! Exactly the same with any big business especially those in the public sector. Look at the NHS. The population is expanding all the time for several reasons and it will get to the stage where major public investment will need to happen one way or the other. In addition previous generations wouldn't attend A&E or ring 999 unless it was a dire emergency. Now every man and his dog do if they have run out of medication or the cat is stuck up the tree. No wonder the thing is going belly up! Perhaps it's a out time they introduced fines for all the moronic call outs for ambulances etc. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 16:21:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 16:31:07 GMT
It doesn't really matter who gets in, the vast majority of them will be looking after number 1. Both parties have sort of morphed into a single entity with subtle idiosyncratic traits at the edges. In a years time, people who moaned about A, will be moaning about B and vice versa. Cynical maybe, but based on 40 odd years of voting and subsequent hopeless governments.
Both current main party leaders are crap, and if they're the best this country has to offer its voters, we may as well man the lifeboats.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 17:55:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 19:04:48 GMT
It doesn't really matter who gets in, the vast majority of them will be looking after number 1. Both parties have sort of morphed into a single entity with subtle idiosyncratic traits at the edges. In a years time, people who moaned about A, will be moaning about B and vice versa. Cynical maybe, but based on 40 odd years of voting and subsequent hopeless governments. Both current main party leaders are crap, and if they're the best this country has to offer its voters, we may as well man the lifeboats. The choice between the two leaders is about as appealing as someone on death row being allowed to choose between the chair or the injection. Am I right in thinking that May only called the election as a shameless attempt to strengthen the tories (which is when they are usually at their most wonderful nastiest bestest), in the same way as Cameron only chucked in the Referendum to try and stop the right wing tories leaving in droves to UKIP, what a cock. Then you have Labour. Whilst he is at least principled, he has lost that many senior labour people that if he did get in it would be a car crash as the country would be run by novices. I honestly have no idea who to vote for. Probably Jessie as he seems quite decent and he was vocal about HUFC. How crap a reason is that? |
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Post by castlebull on May 29, 2017 19:39:42 GMT
Indeed. Just turned on the TV to see May addressing another group of Tory activists in leafy Twickenham.. She started well, seems to have softened some edges and was making good sense. For a few minutes. Wasn't long before she reverted to type with the usual well worn digs at Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott. Of course, the audience lapped it up, braying in support. When it came to the Tories' own policies there was a vacuum that wouldn't have been out of place in the blackest of black holes. Meaningless platitudes about trusting them to be "strong and stable". They have nothing. Their only position is to suggest that May (and their whole campaign is focused on her) has the strength of personality and leadership to cope with the demands of Brexit. She has the gall to attack Corbyn for his leadership credentials when he has come through two bruising leadership campaigns, has been the subject of the most appalling series of attacks by the media, and yet has rallied the Labour vote to a point where the Tories are at real risk of losing their overall majority. Calling the election was the most monumentally stupid and unnecessary act. If it was intended to "destroy" the opposition it has backfired spectacularly. The Tories will undoubtedly win the most seats at the election, but they have weakened themselves hugely in doing so, and are likely to have irretrievably damaged their position in the forthcoming Brexit negotiations. "Strong and Stable? My arse" Some interesting points and thoughts on here and I can see where you are coming from CB. However, who amongst us would have actually thought the majority would vote out back in June last year?! The polls and general consensus may say one thing but the real deal will be known in early June. Personally I believe that most politicians are full of it and when it comes to it are only out to look after themselves...and if they make a pig of it it doesn't matter because there is virtually no accountability(sp). Nice big pay packet and someone will always have their back if it goes tits up! Exactly the same with any big business especially those in the public sector. Look at the NHS. The population is expanding all the time for several reasons and it will get to the stage where major public investment will need to happen one way or the other. In addition previous generations wouldn't attend A&E or ring 999 unless it was a dire emergency. Now every man and his dog do if they have run out of medication or the cat is stuck up the tree. No wonder the thing is going belly up! Perhaps it's a out time they introduced fines for all the moronic call outs for ambulances etc. Quite possible I'm being dense again but given that the NHS is largely paid for by National Insurance tax surely an increase in popular shouldn't affect anything?! All immigration arguments are also laid as ridiculous. I agree that people go a bit nuts with it all. I've only used it once and I felt guilty even then - it's a comfort blanket imo and should be treated as such. |
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Post by Monkey Tennis on May 29, 2017 19:42:05 GMT
It doesn't really matter who gets in, the vast majority of them will be looking after number 1. Both parties have sort of morphed into a single entity with subtle idiosyncratic traits at the edges. In a years time, people who moaned about A, will be moaning about B and vice versa. Cynical maybe, but based on 40 odd years of voting and subsequent hopeless governments. Both current main party leaders are crap, and if they're the best this country has to offer its voters, we may as well man the lifeboats. The choice between the two leaders is about as appealing as someone on death row being allowed to choose between the chair or the injection. Am I right in thinking that May only called the election as a shameless attempt to strengthen the tories (which is when they are usually at their most wonderful nastiest bestest), in the same way as Cameron only chucked in the Referendum to try and stop the right wing tories leaving in droves to UKIP, what a cock. Then you have Labour. Whilst he is at least principled, he has lost that many senior labour people that if he did get in it would be a car crash as the country would be run by novices. I honestly have no idea who to vote for. Probably Jessie as he seems quite decent and he was vocal about HUFC. How crap a reason is that? Pretty crap, as far as electing a government is concerned. But you're sadly right, I reckon. It's pretty much always been the same in Hereford - as long as I've lived here anyhow and I'd guess much further back in the midsts. Even the '97 result was a protest/tactical vote as far as Hereford was concerned. Not that that was necessarily wrong. I think I'd go for the injection though, given the choice. I've seen "The Green Mile". Never been able to look a dry sponge in the eye since. Vote Cheese.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 19:54:15 GMT
The choice between the two leaders is about as appealing as someone on death row being allowed to choose between the chair or the injection. Am I right in thinking that May only called the election as a shameless attempt to strengthen the tories (which is when they are usually at their most wonderful nastiest bestest), in the same way as Cameron only chucked in the Referendum to try and stop the right wing tories leaving in droves to UKIP, what a cock. Then you have Labour. Whilst he is at least principled, he has lost that many senior labour people that if he did get in it would be a car crash as the country would be run by novices. I honestly have no idea who to vote for. Probably Jessie as he seems quite decent and he was vocal about HUFC. How crap a reason is that? Pretty crap, as far as electing a government is concerned. But you're sadly right, I reckon. It's pretty much always been the same in Hereford - as long as I've lived here anyhow and I'd guess much further back in the midsts. Even the '97 result was a protest/tactical vote as far as Hereford was concerned. Not that that was necessarily wrong. I think I'd go for the injection though, given the choice. I've seen "The Green Mile". Never been able to look a dry sponge in the eye since. Vote Cheese. I think I may have unwittingly leaked the Conservative Parties updated policy for the elderly. Good of them to give a choice I suppose. |
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Post by jimcarrey on May 29, 2017 21:57:59 GMT
Some interesting points and thoughts on here and I can see where you are coming from CB. However, who amongst us would have actually thought the majority would vote out back in June last year?! The polls and general consensus may say one thing but the real deal will be known in early June. Personally I believe that most politicians are full of it and when it comes to it are only out to look after themselves...and if they make a pig of it it doesn't matter because there is virtually no accountability(sp). Nice big pay packet and someone will always have their back if it goes tits up! Exactly the same with any big business especially those in the public sector. Look at the NHS. The population is expanding all the time for several reasons and it will get to the stage where major public investment will need to happen one way or the other. In addition previous generations wouldn't attend A&E or ring 999 unless it was a dire emergency. Now every man and his dog do if they have run out of medication or the cat is stuck up the tree. No wonder the thing is going belly up! Perhaps it's a out time they introduced fines for all the moronic call outs for ambulances etc. Quite possible I'm being dense again but given that the NHS is largely paid for by National Insurance tax surely an increase in popular shouldn't affect anything?! All immigration arguments are also laid as ridiculous. I agree that people go a bit nuts with it all. I've only used it once and I felt guilty even then - it's a comfort blanket imo and should be treated as such. I meant to define the ageing population part of my post. Think of all the folks over 60+ that no longer contribute but use the nhs compared to say 50 years ago when the average lifespan was a lot lower. And I dare say there are a lot more people who are unemployed now compared to back then. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 9:40:01 GMT
Everyone did very well in keeping this garden tax a secret didn't they.
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Post by castlebull on May 30, 2017 10:04:03 GMT
Quite possible I'm being dense again but given that the NHS is largely paid for by National Insurance tax surely an increase in popular shouldn't affect anything?! All immigration arguments are also laid as ridiculous. I agree that people go a bit nuts with it all. I've only used it once and I felt guilty even then - it's a comfort blanket imo and should be treated as such. I meant to define the ageing population part of my post. Think of all the folks over 60+ that no longer contribute but use the nhs compared to say 50 years ago when the average lifespan was a lot lower. And I dare say there are a lot more people who are unemployed now compared to back then. Fair point. Surely raising the age of retirement is better for the health of the country than dismantling vital public services? Given the Tory demographic there isn't a cat in hells chance of it happening mind. (I should point out that I don't think it's necessary given that there should be sufficient money already if we redress which pockets it ends up in!) |
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Post by castlebull on May 30, 2017 10:07:17 GMT
It doesn't really matter who gets in, the vast majority of them will be looking after number 1. Both parties have sort of morphed into a single entity with subtle idiosyncratic traits at the edges. In a years time, people who moaned about A, will be moaning about B and vice versa. Cynical maybe, but based on 40 odd years of voting and subsequent hopeless governments. Both current main party leaders are crap, and if they're the best this country has to offer its voters, we may as well man the lifeboats. The choice between the two leaders is about as appealing as someone on death row being allowed to choose between the chair or the injection. Am I right in thinking that May only called the election as a shameless attempt to strengthen the tories (which is when they are usually at their most wonderful nastiest bestest), in the same way as Cameron only chucked in the Referendum to try and stop the right wing tories leaving in droves to UKIP, what a cock. Then you have Labour. Whilst he is at least principled, he has lost that many senior labour people that if he did get in it would be a car crash as the country would be run by novices. I honestly have no idea who to vote for. Probably Jessie as he seems quite decent and he was vocal about HUFC. How crap a reason is that? Voting within Hereford has seemed pointless for a while now given the nature of JN's wins. There does seem to be a realistic alternative this time however; a man whom is a big supporter of the NHS which for me is the main factor of this entire election. |
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Post by nobby on May 30, 2017 10:13:31 GMT
I see a few pictures in the public domain of Jeremy Lettuce and Martin McGuiness .....naughty Jezzer telling a few porkie pies. In other news Theresa is getting on my t1ts.... can't we just have Trump.....
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Post by colebridgebull on May 30, 2017 10:34:24 GMT
Everyone did very well in keeping this garden tax a secret didn't they. Has anyone actually confirmed it to be true? The only comment ive seen from a Labour spokesman is to say that it's a load of rubbish. edit-I've bitten the bullet and read the reports in the Mail and the Telegraph. What Labour actually say is that they will conduct a review into Council Tax and see if there might be a fairer system. The wholly reliable and truthful Johnson has seized on this to produce the most transparent piece of "project fear" to come up with some figures that are entirely alien to what is in the manifesto, but are contained in a report that the manifesto references as one possible way forward. its garbage. Even the most simple minded could see through it. |
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Post by Peroni on May 30, 2017 10:42:41 GMT
Everyone did very well in keeping this garden tax a secret didn't they. Has anyone actually confirmed it to be true? The only comment ive seen from a Labour spokesman is to say that it's a load of rubbish. edit-I've bitten the bullet and read the reports in the Mail and the Telegraph. What Labour actually say is that they will conduct a review into Council Tax and see if there might be a fairer system. The wholly reliable and truthful Johnson has seized on this to produce the most transparent piece of "project fear" to come up with some figures that are entirely alien to what is in the manifesto, but are contained in a report that the manifesto references as one possible way forward. its garbage. Even the most simple minded could see through it. Do you not read the Daily Mail ? |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 11:01:03 GMT
Nobody reads the Mail.
Scan the headlines and look at the pictures.
All you need to know about the world.
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Post by Peroni on May 30, 2017 11:03:27 GMT
Perhaps we should of had a referendum now to decide whether we should have a referendum once we all know the full terms of brexit, and then another referendum to make sure we're all happy with the outcome of that referendum, then if we're still leaving, a referendum about what countries we then want to deal with in the future, and to save a bit of time we can include a decision on that one about weather john snape should get the job of brexit envoy in charge of telling these countries that they must offer us decent trade deals
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Post by Peroni on May 30, 2017 11:04:19 GMT
Nobody reads the Mail. Scan the headlines and look at the pictures. All you need to know about the world. not sure why you wasted a minute of your life, typing that out |
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Post by singe on May 30, 2017 11:22:51 GMT
Nobody reads the Mail. Scan the headlines and look at the pictures. All you need to know about the world. not sure why you wasted a minute of your life, typing that out Better than wasting 3 minutes typing the post you typed after it about Brexit and referendums? |
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