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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 18:56:09 GMT
Understatement of the year but it is a really tricky era to talk about. Corbyn clearly condems the violence. You can't be labelled a sympathiser if you condemn the actions. One thing I will say is that The Good Friday agreement was a major achievement. At the time I thought, thank fck for that, we are moving forward.
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Post by FASH on May 21, 2017 18:58:06 GMT
And this dementia tax is a disgrace.
If me or the Mrs get terminally ill and we need care I'd rather burn my house to the ground rather than let that despicable witch take it from me.
It'll also give old people the sickening choice of either taking their own lives and leaving their kids everything they've worked hard for or staying alive and giving the Tories their house.
Pure evil those Tories.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 19:03:58 GMT
And this dementia tax is a disgrace. If me or the Mrs get terminally ill and we need care I'd rather burn my house to the ground rather than let that despicable witch take it from me. It'll also give old people the sickening choice of either taking their own lives and leaving their kids everything they've worked hard for or staying alive and giving the Tories their house. Pure evil those Tories. People will end up taking their own lives rather than letting their houses be taken away from their offspring. It will happen.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 19:05:53 GMT
Although I think most Tories will be up in arms about it too. They could end up losing more than before.
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Post by Fireman Sam on May 21, 2017 19:43:46 GMT
Corbyn may well have condemned the violence on both sides (and rightly so) but I'm yet to see a picture of him with Jonny Adair at the houses of Parliament.
One wonders if Jonny might have got an invite if he followed the socialist doctrine that or Jezza and Gerry are so fond of?
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 20:06:26 GMT
While I am still capable of making decisions I am going to calculate how much money I have and how long it will last before I reach the bottom figure then die the day after that. Just to spite my kids.
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Post by Fireman Sam on May 21, 2017 21:07:02 GMT
Anyway. I think we've established that Corbyn maintained a dialogue with both sides during the Troubles. I'm assuming that everyone's aware of that now. this is what he said to Sophie Ridge on Sky News today. Note how the Tory press are trying to spin this to suggest that he refused five times to condemn the IRA. It's getting pretty desperate now. ![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAWC3t8XsAAv_OM?format=jpg&name=large) Shall we discuss the Tory manifesto? The dementia tax, removing free school meals yet seeking to reinstate grammar schools, fox hunting, hard Brexit, the ivory trade, the costing. Why should we vote for the Tories? "Britain was pursuing a military solution that was clearly never going to work" Actually I'd argue Britain was "reacting" to a military situation brought about by the actions of the IRA. I think it's also fair to say that it was military solutions that ultimately brought about the demise of the IRA. The infiltration of the republican movement to such high levels by informants meant that the IRA eventually had to stop the armed conflict or face ultimate defeat. Where Adams was successful is he had already identified the fact the IRA could never win the war and made the move towards constitutional politics at the time of the hunger strikes. Allegedly he had to allow a further 6 of his comrades starve themselves to death to get there but that's another story. Although the IRA the pursued a strategy of the Armalite and the ballot box Adams recognised that the Armalite would never succeed. Whilst Jezza may well believe he was trying to further the peace process by engaging with the republican movement I find it unpalatable that at every opportunity he has he never seems to back our country. Blaming the UK military for the troubles is a case in point. The situation in Ireland was/is much more nuanced than that. I always end up feeling that if he wasn't a left wing politician he'd be one of those ambulance chasing lawyers.....
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 21:57:37 GMT
Thought provoking post until the last sentence.
Anyway..he condemed the IRA bombings. So let's move on from that. Surely.
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Post by Fownhope Bull on May 21, 2017 22:14:44 GMT
The Tories might be trusted more than Labour, but the simple fact is that over the last 7 years the Tories have added more to the National debt than every Labour government put together. That's a fact. End of.
However, Labour are rubbish when it comes to selling themselves (not helped by the press...) so you won't see that fact splashed across the papers.
So Labour didn't leave the finances with a 120 billion black hole? How the hell was that supposed to just disappear overnight. If anything Labour would have only had us even further in debt than we currently are. Jammo,
Spin it, come at it from a different angle, deny it, lie about it, do what you will.... the fact is that the Tories have massively increased the National debt. The idea that they are the economically 'safe' party is rubbish.
Deal with it.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 22:19:35 GMT
So Labour didn't leave the finances with a 120 billion black hole? How the hell was that supposed to just disappear overnight. If anything Labour would have only had us even further in debt than we currently are. Jammo,
Spin it, come at it from a different angle, deny it, lie about it, do what you will.... the fact is that the Tories have massively increased the National debt. The idea that they are the economically 'safe' party is rubbish.
Deal with it.
Well you can make an argument for that if you like but the fact is that Labour would take a massive risk in their spending plans. I mean its more than that really, its complete idiocy. For as much as I think the Lib Dems are a bit of a waste of time these days at least they've put out properly costed policies that are somewhat realistic. How can you even take the vast majority of Labour's manifesto seriously? Its laughable to suggest we can spend big in the current climate. I wouldn't even recommend it during a boom period.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 22:53:15 GMT
Would you change anything from this post by the way?
April 17, 2017 19:06:14 GMT 1 Fownhope Bull said:
As to Corbyn - well, if my fellow lefty, Guardian-reading friends are anything to go by, none of them will be voting for him. A principled (if pretty arrogant) man who was quite happy having battles with the leadership of his own party, but never a leader.
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Post by singe on May 21, 2017 22:56:53 GMT
Would you change anything from this post by the way? April 17, 2017 19:06:14 GMT 1 Fownhope Bull said: As to Corbyn - well, if my fellow lefty, Guardian-reading friends are anything to go by, none of them will be voting for him. A principled (if pretty arrogant) man who was quite happy having battles with the leadership of his own party, but never a leader. Wow, that's a good bit of homework you've done there jammo, bit of time on your hands this evening. By the way, how about commenting on the Tory leaders Pinochet's link as per post in the last few days? Or is this just another topic you selectively choose to ignore? Very much how the UK press work isn't it?
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 23:09:46 GMT
Would you change anything from this post by the way? April 17, 2017 19:06:14 GMT 1 Fownhope Bull said: As to Corbyn - well, if my fellow lefty, Guardian-reading friends are anything to go by, none of them will be voting for him. A principled (if pretty arrogant) man who was quite happy having battles with the leadership of his own party, but never a leader. Wow, that's a good bit of homework you've done there jammo, bit of time on your hands this evening. By the way, how about commenting on the Tory leaders Pinochet's link as per post in the last few days? Or is this just another topic you selectively choose to ignore? Very much how the UK press work isn't it? Think you'll find that you lot have the "let's pretend it never happened" attitude in this thread. Why would I read something from such a biased newspaper anyway. Only ok if it suits your views is it?
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Post by singe on May 22, 2017 1:03:38 GMT
Wow, that's a good bit of homework you've done there jammo, bit of time on your hands this evening. By the way, how about commenting on the Tory leaders Pinochet's link as per post in the last few days? Or is this just another topic you selectively choose to ignore? Very much how the UK press work isn't it? Think you'll find that you lot have the "let's pretend it never happened" attitude in this thread. Why would I read something from such a biased newspaper anyway. Only ok if it suits your views is it? Not sure I agree, so you only read the papers that fit your narrative do you? It's actually quite an honest article to be fair that attempts to give a balanced opinion.
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Post by Fownhope Bull on May 22, 2017 6:17:50 GMT
Would you change anything from this post by the way? April 17, 2017 19:06:14 GMT 1 Fownhope Bull said: As to Corbyn - well, if my fellow lefty, Guardian-reading friends are anything to go by, none of them will be voting for him. A principled (if pretty arrogant) man who was quite happy having battles with the leadership of his own party, but never a leader. I don't think so, no. I haven't polled all of them recently, so some might have changed their minds.
I stand by my personal view. I believe he's a principled man, but pretty arrogant. I don't believe he ever imagined leading the Labour Party and was quite happy sniping from the sidelines during the Blair administration.
Having said that, I see that some polls have cut the Tory lead to single digits. Maybe it's not going to be the complete walkover May was imagining....
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Post by colebridgebull on May 22, 2017 7:03:53 GMT
It may be that those true blue Tories who thought it hilariously clever and funny to join the Labour Party purely to vote for Corbyn as leader find some chickens come home to roost.
Lots of 18 and 19 year olds will be registering to vote this morning. Expect another surge in the polls.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 7:09:11 GMT
Meanwhile, all the posters on here continue to concentrate on Mr Corbyn. The General Election, which is the title of this thread, is entirely about Theresa May. Mr David Davis clarified yesterday that it is specifically about her appeal to the country to increase her mandate regarding THE MANNER of Brexit. She does not believe in Brexit.
So make your fecking mind up.
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Post by Peroni on May 22, 2017 8:09:03 GMT
It may be that those true blue Tories who thought it hilariously clever and funny to join the Labour Party purely to vote for Corbyn as leader find some chickens come home to roost. Lots of 18 and 19 year olds will be registering to vote this morning. Expect another surge in the polls. Maybe later in the day
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 12:14:33 GMT
Strong and stable, you're havin' a larf.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 15:58:08 GMT
IMHO the Tories are to be commended for their attempt to address the exponentially increasing costs of caring for an ever ageing population. Whether they have got the policy right is another matter but the current system is unsustainable.
Also, I would be heartened if people could stop trying to heap the blame of massive debt onto a particular party. It was caused by issues largely out of their control. The big mistake is failure to legislate against a further occurrence.
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