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Post by colebridgebull on May 21, 2017 8:56:06 GMT
Anyway. I think we've established that Corbyn maintained a dialogue with both sides during the Troubles. I'm assuming that everyone's aware of that now. this is what he said to Sophie Ridge on Sky News today. Note how the Tory press are trying to spin this to suggest that he refused five times to condemn the IRA. It's getting pretty desperate now. Shall we discuss the Tory manifesto? The dementia tax, removing free school meals yet seeking to reinstate grammar schools, fox hunting, hard Brexit, the ivory trade, the costing. Why should we vote for the Tories?
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Post by Robin Fridays Right Foot on May 21, 2017 10:25:52 GMT
Conceivably the most important election for the country.Narrowing in the poles is good for the process and hopefully will focus some minds and motivate a few more than 66% to get off their backsides and cast a vote.Tories always take the grey vote as given but the prospect of paying for care in later life has left a bad taste.Is it temporary,we shall see.Being asked to take responsibility for personal welfare in late life if you can afford it is not unreasonable IMO. Calamity Corbyn is on a roll ,the May lurch was a blessing.
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Post by changeabull on May 21, 2017 11:33:22 GMT
Anyway. I think we've established that Corbyn maintained a dialogue with both sides during the Troubles. I'm assuming that everyone's aware of that now. Shall we discuss the Tory manifesto? The dementia tax, removing free school meals yet seeking to reinstate grammar schools, fox hunting, hard Brexit, the ivory trade, the costing. Why should we vote for the Tories? Because the Tories can be trusted to run the economy and Labour can't. Remember the note Labour left behind last time they were in government, "there's no money left, sorry"?
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Post by colebridgebull on May 21, 2017 12:17:53 GMT
You'll catch one with that.
Otherwise to suggest the Tories can be trusted with the economy is such obvious bait, it's not worth responding
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Post by changeabull on May 21, 2017 15:35:38 GMT
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Post by colebridgebull on May 21, 2017 15:45:24 GMT
Not sure what point you're making, but feel free to link to as many old polls as you want.
Doesn't change the facts that the Tories have spectacularly mismanaged the economy since 2010.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 15:52:24 GMT
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Post by Robin Fridays Right Foot on May 21, 2017 16:20:45 GMT
Not sure what point you're making, but feel free to link to as many polls as you want. Doesn't change the facts that the Tories have spectacularly mismanaged the economy since 2010. Public spending was under control when Labour took government in 97.Unfortunately Brown let loose after 4 years and borrowing took off.Labour commitments did continue to run on after 2010 and the Tories have failed abysmally to get control of the situation despite austerity.Could not run a chip shop either of them.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 17:55:19 GMT
Love how colebridgebull has made the big mistake of uploading that dialogue of Jeremy Corbyn on sky news I think it was. Go back and watch the video. Watch how he almost mumbles "IRA" under his breathe and almost I think backs out of saying it. It was a disgraceful interview because its such a simple question and not about taking sides. He's a terrorist sympathiser all the way no doubt about it.
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Post by Jean Ralphio Saperstein on May 21, 2017 18:10:16 GMT
Love how colebridgebull has made the big mistake of uploading that dialogue of Jeremy Corbyn on sky news I think it was. Go back and watch the video. Watch how he almost mumbles "IRA" under his breathe and almost I think backs out of saying it. It was a disgraceful interview because its such a simple question and not about taking sides. He's a terrorist sympathiser all the way no doubt about it. The government of the time were actual supporters, funders, trainers and suppliers of terrorists, with their links to loyalist paramilitaries. Some soldiers murdered innocent civilians too. Around the same time the government were also backing what would become Al-Queda, supporting a despot in Chile who murdered anyone suspected of being against him, supporting Apartheid in South Africa (and calling Mandela a terrorist), selling chemical weapons for Saddam Hussein to use. Fromm where I am standing, the charge sheet for supporting terrorists and monsters, ain't looking too clever. As for Corbyn, I suspect the truth is he sympathises with the IRA's cause, but not their actions. After all, aren't we constantly told he is a pacifist by the right wing press who cheer the fact we have a (drink driving and incompetent) Defense Secretary, who advocates pre-emptive use of nuclear weapons?
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Post by Fownhope Bull on May 21, 2017 18:10:19 GMT
The Tories might be trusted more than Labour, but the simple fact is that over the last 7 years the Tories have added more to the National debt than every Labour government put together. That's a fact. End of.
However, Labour are rubbish when it comes to selling themselves (not helped by the press...) so you won't see that fact splashed across the papers.
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Post by Jean Ralphio Saperstein on May 21, 2017 18:11:39 GMT
Oh, and while I am at it, the Tories have a councillor who was actually a member of the IRA (not Sinn Fein, THE IRA).
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Post by FASH on May 21, 2017 18:26:26 GMT
On a Sky interview today, when questioned, I clearly heard him condemn the IRA bombings and violence from all sides of the conflict.
The thick woman who was interviewing him didn't listen to his answer and proceeded to ask him 4 more times.
The desperate corporate right wing media are running out of ideas to sabotage his campaign. So much so that 8 media sources are having a meeting tomorrow to come up with some new ideas. Complete media blackout of the 20,000 people that turned up to see him and chanted his name on the Wirrall yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 18:27:14 GMT
Most posters on here are either for or against one party or another, most really don't have strong views, as they are fully aware that no matter who gets in, the Country will muddle along pretty much as before. But when someone is so vehemently and pseudo intellectually against one of the parties, using all the powers of their professional and personal education to lucidly and rationally build a case against one of the combatants, whilst glossing over the misdemeanours of the other, just makes one want to vote in a contrary way. Even if Corbyn wasn't leader, I wouldn't vote Labour. I remember the last time they got in. They are incapable of holding on to power, especially with a small majority. There are far too many loony leftists lurking in the background, with destructive 'ideas'. Both manifestos and pledges will be abandoned no matter who gets in anyway. But I'd rather have the incumbent government in charge during Brexit.
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Post by colebridgebull on May 21, 2017 18:27:31 GMT
Love how colebridgebull has made the big mistake of uploading that dialogue of Jeremy Corbyn on sky news I think it was. Go back and watch the video. Watch how he almost mumbles "IRA" under his breathe and almost I think backs out of saying it. It was a disgraceful interview because its such a simple question and not about taking sides. He's a terrorist sympathiser all the way no doubt about it. I've watched it. He was condemning all violence. The interviewer (from a Murdoch organisation) tries to get him to single out the IRA. That's not the point he was seeking to make. As the last comment he makes, makes clear. Are you really that obtuse in real life?
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 18:41:26 GMT
The Tories might be trusted more than Labour, but the simple fact is that over the last 7 years the Tories have added more to the National debt than every Labour government put together. That's a fact. End of.
However, Labour are rubbish when it comes to selling themselves (not helped by the press...) so you won't see that fact splashed across the papers.
So Labour didn't leave the finances with a 120 billion black hole? How the hell was that supposed to just disappear overnight. If anything Labour would have only had us even further in debt than we currently are.
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Post by FASH on May 21, 2017 18:47:47 GMT
"So Labour didn't leave the finances with a 120 billion black hole? How the hell was that supposed to just disappear overnight."
By borrowing £800 Billion? Where did the rest of the £680 Billion go?
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