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Post by Peroni on Apr 20, 2017 11:38:12 GMT
Guardian readers are hard left no doubt about it. I mean there's so few of them these days that you might as well just call it Jeremy Corbyn's support club. The only shame is that because no one reads it their #@&te articles rarely get picked up on much. Just a load of well off 20 year olds pretending they know how to run a country. I guess that's what I've been trying to say though. None of you are actually poor or struggling to get by whereas a good number of real Labour supporters generally are not too well off financially. I don't think any of you know what its like to live in poverty even if you keep pretending that you do. But you watch the condescending way in which Colebridgebull and others finishes off almost every one of his posts. Its a thing I see time and time again among people who think they're better than everyone else and think they know it all and that everyone else is too stupid to make up their own minds about anything. That isn't the average Labour supporter I know. Those people might want change but certainly not in the same way that many people on here who claim to be only "centre left" do. That is sad! I've never experienced somebody thinking that they are better than me, or that I'm too stupid to make my mind up about anything. I'm sorry that it happens to you so often. shirley that applies to every response ww makes to anyone
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 11:39:57 GMT
Guardian readers are hard left no doubt about it. I mean there's so few of them these days that you might as well just call it Jeremy Corbyn's support club.
You do talk some bollox mate.
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Post by colebridgebull on Apr 20, 2017 11:48:35 GMT
The suggestion that only those in poverty have a legitimate reason to be concerned about it was a particularly nice piece of work. It's like he's channeling IDS or something. It's almost as if we're having sleepless nights about those of our elders who wasted their lives buying vinyl records, smoking and drinking, and can't now afford very reasonable season tickets. I know I am.
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Post by colebridgebull on Apr 20, 2017 12:06:10 GMT
With respect, I can say what the hell I like.
You (but you're not alone in this) appear to think that reading the Guardian, considering oneself a natural Labour voter and opposing Brexit makes you 'hard left'.
Pure Communism is a ridiculous notion that will never work - it goes against basic human survival instincts. There you go. And just to please you, I'll also say that I have no problem with people making huge amounts of money. It does not concern me. What does concern me is that they do it legally and pay their fair share of tax on this huge income. What is far more important is that those at the financial bottom of society are lifted up out of poverty - there is nothing wrong with the UK having lots of very rich people in it, but it's a disgrace that there are lots of very poor people in it. Hardly 'hard left'.....
Guardian readers are hard left no doubt about it. I mean there's so few of them these days that you might as well just call it Jeremy Corbyn's support club. The only shame is that because no one reads it their #@&te articles rarely get picked up on much. Just a load of well off 20 year olds pretending they know how to run a country. I guess that's what I've been trying to say though. None of you are actually poor or struggling to get by whereas a good number of real Labour supporters generally are not too well off financially. I don't think any of you know what its like to live in poverty even if you keep pretending that you do. But you watch the condescending way in which Colebridgebull and others finishes off almost every one of his posts. Its a thing I see time and time again among people who think they're better than everyone else and think they know it all and that everyone else is too stupid to make up their own minds about anything. That isn't the average Labour supporter I know. Those people might want change but certainly not in the same way that many people on here who claim to be only "centre left" do. Jammo. The gift that keeps on giving. Seriously-we'd miss you if you ever left this Board. Promise you'll stay forever (although please keep out of the bushes outside my house. I may have to renew that restraining order...)
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Post by excitable on Apr 20, 2017 12:53:59 GMT
Could you please list the " we " that you refer to in your last two posts as I hope it doesn't include me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 13:07:27 GMT
That is sad! I've never experienced somebody thinking that they are better than me, or that I'm too stupid to make my mind up about anything. I'm sorry that it happens to you so often. shirley that applies to every response ww makes to anyone Not really. I know I am. I see I'm an expert as well today in the local rag. Thanks for a better through ball than I'd get off Symons.
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Post by Peroni on Apr 20, 2017 14:03:22 GMT
shirley that applies to every response ww makes to anyone Not really. I know I am. I see I'm an expert as well today in the local rag. Thanks for a better through ball than I'd get off Symons.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 14:03:59 GMT
I see I'm an expert as well today in the local rag.
Not quite true. You were actually described as a nexpret.
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Post by excitable on Apr 20, 2017 14:06:38 GMT
Ex... A Has been
Spurt....A drip under pressure
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 15:53:10 GMT
What's your definition? You've 'accused' me in the past of being hard left, yet I'm considered by many of my friends to be pretty centre with a bit of a lean to the left. People who don't vote Tory aren't all hard-core Communists, you know.... But you cant just say I'm sort of centre left. You tell me what kind of hard left policies you're actually opposed to. Out of interest, jammo, with which of Jeremy Corbyn's policies do you disagree? Only the London School of Economics carried out a study ( Journalistic Representations of Jeremy Corbyn in the British Press) into how the British media represented Corbyn and his policies and found that only 11% of newspaper articles accurately stated a single one of his policy pledges correctly. That figure drops to 0% when applied to the Daily Mail or the Express. Which means it is likely that you're basing your opinions on biased reporting.
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Post by Incognito on Apr 20, 2017 16:00:57 GMT
This is going to get better and better over the next 6 (SIX) weeks or so.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 16:07:07 GMT
Conversely, it could get worse and worse.
In fact, very much worse.
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Post by Incognito on Apr 20, 2017 16:18:24 GMT
Conversely, it could get worse and worse. In fact, very much worse. Why, is Munsley on the loose again?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 16:55:59 GMT
Naughty!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 17:17:02 GMT
"The British public" is a ass.
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Post by nobby on Apr 20, 2017 17:34:50 GMT
Series question.....can anyone honestly see Corbyn running a bath, let alone a country, if he was a genuine labour man he'd have resigned a while ago.
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Post by colebridgebull on Apr 20, 2017 18:19:22 GMT
He's the leader of the main opposition party in the U.K.,having been elected to the position twice. That suggests that he's well capable of running a bath at the very least.
The Right wing press never miss an opportunity to ridicule him. I think that speaks volumes.
At least he's happy to appear and speak publically, something Mrs May is avoiding like the plague.
All that said, I would be astonished if he becomes PM. Stranger things have happened in recent history though.
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Post by Freetown Bull on Apr 20, 2017 18:59:30 GMT
...the condescending way in which Colebridgebull and others... To be honest, I actually agree here. Everything's so polarised and too many people dismiss anyone who doesn't agree with them out of hand. I agree with a lot of Col's politcal posts but several (including ironically his replies to this one) make me cringe. It's not just people on the left, people on the right do it just as much, just swapping the variations on "You're heartless" or "You're stupid" with "You're a traitor / pinko / etc", or some variation of "You're a fancy-pants do-gooder". I'd love to have an actual discussion about this one. Here are some of the main reasons I support Labour at the moment (despite Corbyn). Which of these are what you'd call hard left? - I want the health service to actually work. We spend less on health per person than almost all other rich European countries - I'd like us to pay at least an average amount. An increasing amount of what we spend is going on nonsense like tendering and contract lawyers, and endless pointless restructuring - I'd like that to stop. There have been huge cuts to social care, nurse training, ambulance services, amongst other things - I'd like these to be reversed.
- I think functioning public services are good for everyone and often pay for themselves. Cuts to mental health have resulted in more crime, homelessness and other problems. I think that's a serious problem and means the cuts are a false economy, they just push the costs elsewhere, and they should be reversed. The childcare expansion the last government started helped children do better in schools, helped parents work and earn more and at least one study suggested it was reducing delinquency by giving kids a better start. I think cutting these is a false economy and should be reversed. Same with cuts to education, social care, councils (more potholes = worse traffic = bad for business = false economy)... I think that if you're cutting almost everything but still the national debt doubles in just 6 years, it's not working.
- I think it's mad that the police have been cut so much they don't even attend all burglaries any more and I think it's madder still that the home secretary whose watch it happened on (remember when they resorted to trying only attending even-numbered houses?) is now PM. I think if I screwed up anything as badly as Theresa May did with that passport fiasco, I'd deserve to be sacked. I think the way she blustered through these, and the crisis in social care, because the press and powerful people were on her side and she could get away with it, is much more dangerous than Corbyn's awkwardness and crooked ties.
- I think it's utterly mad that our rail system is so broken that the system rents its trains and a company owned by the German government runs our line for a profit and uses the profits to subsidise their own. I want it to be publicly run, publicly owned, and accountable to voters, like in every normal country (and no, leaving the EU won't change any of this, we're the only country that does this and it's open to anyone, wasn't the Indian national railway was thinking of bidding for a line?). Same with energy bills.
- I want to see a stop to all these schemes that only big companies with top lawyers, accountants and connections can take advantage of, that harm their staff and the rest of us. Tax loopholes, that scheme where a select few big companies get free labour from unemployed people, dodgy legal loopholes like forcing employees to pretend to be self employed, that trick where you have someone on a zero hours contract set up to prevent them from working for anyone else when you've got no work for them...
- I think the cost of living is too high and that reducing people's rent and bills is good for the economy because the people who'll save £50 a week will most likely spend it in local shops, pubs etc. I don't think it's good for the economy to bung more money at millionaires in inheritance tax, capital gains cuts, etc, since they're less likely to notice the difference, and less likely to spend it locally.
All these are current Labour policy priorities, and very different to the direction the Conservatives are taking us, so, I support Labour at the moment. Are there any of these you'd really call far left, or strongly disagree with?
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Post by colebridgebull on Apr 20, 2017 19:03:11 GMT
(My post in response to Jammo's was very deliberately phrased to be condescending)
(Which this one is not)
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Post by nobby on Apr 20, 2017 19:26:33 GMT
He's the leader of the main opposition party in the U.K.,having been elected to the position twice. That suggests that he's well capable of running a bath at the very least. The Right wing press never miss an opportunity to ridicule him. I think that speaks volumes. At least he's happy to appear and speak publically, something Mrs May is avoiding like the plague. All that said, I would be astonished if he becomes PM. Stranger things have happened in recent history though. Due to him being so weak he will take labour to one of their lowest times in political history, UKIP will be their only serious rivals for the biggest loss of votes in 2 years. This country needs a strong leader not a lettuce that's wilting in the morning dew.
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