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Post by somnambulist on Aug 26, 2015 8:18:12 GMT
Completely agree, no place for it at all. For anyone who disagrees or thinks the OP should get over it, I hate to break it to you but it isn't the 1970s anymore and women shouldn't have to put up with this sort of bullshit because they are anamotically different from men. If she was ginger are we allowed to chant then? Or what about if she was fat or would that be fattist? What about if she was ginger and fat... No, that would be bullying too. |
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Post by bsm on Aug 26, 2015 8:23:23 GMT
Wasn't it Keyte who said Herefordshire was 'in the backwaters' in Sport? This sort of 1970's attitude makes me understand where he was coming from. Notice on the scoreboard please Mr. Hale. Family club etc.etc.
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Post by ryangreensrightboot on Aug 26, 2015 9:05:17 GMT
Can we also have a message saying kicking things out of people is not acceptable, or perhaps to the quasi feminists that is acceptable behaviour.
I suggest a strong pair of earplugs for future games, that way you won't have to listen to the swearing, humourous chants or other non sanitised conduct at football, or alternatively you can get a life and focus on things which are actually worth focussing on !!
Or perhaps the ME were just supporting the #nipplesout social media campaign in which case we should be commended for supporting a women's freedom to choose.
I also find it funny that we don't have a thread condemning the Neanderthal chants about body image, surely the chants of "you fat b*****d" aimed at their number 8, were far more frequent, much louder and wholly unacceptable !! Double standards anyone !!
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Post by somnambulist on Aug 26, 2015 9:22:36 GMT
Can we also have a message saying kicking things out of people is not acceptable, or perhaps to the quasi feminists that is acceptable behaviour. I suggest a strong pair of earplugs for future games, that way you won't have to listen to the swearing, humourous chants or other non sanitised conduct at football, or alternatively you can get a life and focus on things which are actually worth focussing on !! Or perhaps the ME were just supporting the #nipplesout social media campaign in which case we should be commended for supporting a women's freedom to choose. I also find it funny that we don't have a thread condemning the Neanderthal chants about body image, surely the chants of "you fat b*****d" aimed at their number 8, were far more frequent, much louder and wholly unacceptable !! Double standards anyone !! Why should anyone be abused in their place of work for your pleasure? Suppose it was your child, your girlfriend, a good mate? Would it be ok then? |
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Post by nobby on Aug 26, 2015 9:24:19 GMT
See, giving it back is a much better response than taking it as serious, I'm sure you'd shut a lot up with their "in the kitchen" jokes with a throw back line at them. Some people take life to seriously and yes abuse has no part in the modern world but banter and abuse are different.....anyway.... Can I have your double yolkers sunny side up please, perfect combination for my small chipolata. The fact that you use the word 'banter' in a serious context tells me all I need to know. Newsflash - you're sexist and it isn't up to you to decide what is 'banter' and what isn't. 2nd newsflash I decide what and what isn't banter not a boring fart like yourself  Now get back in the garden and prune your roses (sexist garden plant alert) |
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Post by bringbackelmo on Aug 26, 2015 9:25:19 GMT
I suggest a strong pair of earplugs for future games, that way you won't have to listen to the swearing, humourous chants or other non sanitised conduct at football, or alternatively you can get a life and focus on things which are actually worth focussing on !! I'm as opposed to 'sanitised' football as the next person but there is creating an atmosphere on one hand and there is being a misogynistic t0sser on the other. Unfortunately it sounds like you fall into the latter camp. |
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Post by nobby on Aug 26, 2015 9:30:55 GMT
See, giving it back is a much better response than taking it as serious, I'm sure you'd shut a lot up with their "in the kitchen" jokes with a throw back line at them. Some people take life to seriously and yes abuse has no part in the modern world but banter and abuse are different.....anyway.... Can I have your double yolkers sunny side up please, perfect combination for my small chipolata. It's easy to retaliate on an Internet message board let's be fair .. This is me and you exchanging banter in your eyes and fair enough I bit when I shouldn't have .....but however you like to address our little exchange up ..if you are a lone female in front of a a strong predominantly male crowd it's abuse and intimidating and there is no place for it Im with you there it could well be very intimidating, I guess everyone thinks differently, no rights or wrong but in my eyes no real harm was done, sticks and stones and so on. The bit I get confused with is the crowd at a football match, in general, will be singing/shouting "wan*er" "fat b*stard" etc to an oposing player and there is no mention of that being abuse, the majority of ladies now want equality so why should it be abuse as she was female? Or was it because they used the words tit's? |
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Post by nobby on Aug 26, 2015 9:32:18 GMT
I suggest a strong pair of earplugs for future games, that way you won't have to listen to the swearing, humourous chants or other non sanitised conduct at football, or alternatively you can get a life and focus on things which are actually worth focussing on !! I'm as opposed to 'sanitised' football as the next person but there is creating an atmosphere on one hand and there is being a misogynistic t0sser on the other. Unfortunately it sounds like you fall into the latter camp. So you scream and shout about abuse at a football match yet you write abuse to another poster just because they have a different opinion to yourself. Get a grip! |
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Post by ryangreensrightboot on Aug 26, 2015 9:35:03 GMT
Not for my pleasure, I don't get involved in that sort of thing. But is it really worthy of such public outrage? Clearly not, particularly when the person raising it is advocating violence as a solution and conveniently overlooking all of the other "abusive" chants that go on at football. I'm sure their number 8 was deeply hurt by people pointing out his portly physique !! Or perhaps not, Like the lady in question I'm sure it didn't bother him a jot, there is no need anyway, because there is always someone who will selectively take offence on their behalf. For the record, my wife was stood by me and she didn't even think it worthy of a mention !!
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Post by ryangreensrightboot on Aug 26, 2015 9:39:21 GMT
I suggest a strong pair of earplugs for future games, that way you won't have to listen to the swearing, humourous chants or other non sanitised conduct at football, or alternatively you can get a life and focus on things which are actually worth focussing on !! I'm as opposed to 'sanitised' football as the next person but there is creating an atmosphere on one hand and there is being a misogynistic t0sser on the other. Unfortunately it sounds like you fall into the latter camp. Or perhaps someone who simply sees things for what they are, has more important things in life to concern him and doesn't feel the need to be "offended" by everything and anything that everybody and anybody says !! But thanks for your assessment of my character, I'll consider it, laugh at it and ignore it !! |
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Post by somnambulist on Aug 26, 2015 9:58:12 GMT
Not for my pleasure, I don't get involved in that sort of thing. But is it really worthy of such public outrage? Clearly not, particularly when the person raising it is advocating violence as a solution and conveniently overlooking all of the other "abusive" chants that go on at football. I'm sure their number 8 was deeply hurt by people pointing out his portly physique !! Or perhaps not, Like the lady in question I'm sure it didn't bother him a jot, there is no need anyway, because there is always someone who will selectively take offence on their behalf. For the record, my wife was stood by me and she didn't even think it worthy of a mention !!And what if someone had suggested that she get her tits out for their delectation, given that she was in the vicinity, and it would be a shame not to. Would that have been ok? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 10:09:19 GMT
Not for my pleasure, I don't get involved in that sort of thing. But is it really worthy of such public outrage? Clearly not, particularly when the person raising it is advocating violence as a solution and conveniently overlooking all of the other "abusive" chants that go on at football. I'm sure their number 8 was deeply hurt by people pointing out his portly physique !! Or perhaps not, Like the lady in question I'm sure it didn't bother him a jot, there is no need anyway, because there is always someone who will selectively take offence on their behalf. For the record, my wife was stood by me and she didn't even think it worthy of a mention !!And what if someone had suggested that she get her tits out for their delectation, given that she was in the vicinity, and it would be a shame not to. Would that have been ok? No way! She's ginger and fat FFS! |
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Post by saggybulls on Aug 26, 2015 10:20:47 GMT
I'm sorry but I completely agree with this thread. That was so embarrassing that chanting was last night, it was just so completely tacky and last century. We are not setting a good example at all in this league so far and it's only been 5 games, especially after the Stourport antics.
It's a shame really as women's football has come so far over the past 5 years, and I for one have been so proud of how far the Women's team got in the World Cup this year and how much the Women's Super League has grown, and it's idiots like this that don't see how much people do behind the scenes to eradicate this backward mentality.
Some people will say I'm making a meal of it but it hurts more when you bring your little sister to a game who wants to make it as a professional and she asks why her own fans are saying this because of the way she is born!? Not great for a 14 year olds confidence let alone the physios, who if I was her would have been absolutely bricking it. Some of the posters in this thread hang your head in shame. I know you won't take it seriously but it's is fans who that don't take you seriously and who need some serious education instead of being ignorant fools. Come at me I'm ready for each and everyone of you, Andy Ferrell style
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Post by ryangreensrightboot on Aug 26, 2015 10:23:27 GMT
Not for my pleasure, I don't get involved in that sort of thing. But is it really worthy of such public outrage? Clearly not, particularly when the person raising it is advocating violence as a solution and conveniently overlooking all of the other "abusive" chants that go on at football. I'm sure their number 8 was deeply hurt by people pointing out his portly physique !! Or perhaps not, Like the lady in question I'm sure it didn't bother him a jot, there is no need anyway, because there is always someone who will selectively take offence on their behalf. For the record, my wife was stood by me and she didn't even think it worthy of a mention !!And what if someone had suggested that she get her tits out for their delectation, given that she was in the vicinity, and it would be a shame not to. Would that have been ok? Point is and its a very important point, if that very thing happened, it is a matter for her to respond. It is not for me to assume offence on her behalf or to rush to her defence like some kind of medievil knight in shining armour. She is capable of speaking for herself and deciding for herself what is offensive and what isn't. Have you ever considered that your premise that you must decide for women what is offensive and then run to their defence is in itself sexist. |
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Post by somnambulist on Aug 26, 2015 10:27:43 GMT
And what if someone had suggested that she get her tits out for their delectation, given that she was in the vicinity, and it would be a shame not to. Would that have been ok? Point is and its a very important point, if that very thing happened, it is a matter for her to respond. It is not for me to assume offence on her behalf or to rush to her defence like some kind of medievil knight in shining armour. She is capable of speaking for herself and deciding for herself what is offensive and what isn't. Have you ever considered that your premise that you must decide for women what is offensive and then run to their defence is in itself sexist. I never mentioned you rushing to her defence. I have no idea what kind of moral fibre you're made of. I only asked if it would be ok if she were abused whilst enjoying a night out? |
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Post by ryangreensrightboot on Aug 26, 2015 10:30:47 GMT
And like I said, its for her to decide whether it's abuse or not and to decide what action to take unless of course you don't think women are capable of making such judgements without your intervention.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 10:39:47 GMT
Do you not think that some behaviour is inherently sexist and therefore worthy of comment?
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Post by ryangreensrightboot on Aug 26, 2015 11:00:53 GMT
People are free to comment on anything they wish. That is the whole point of a forum like this. But they must accept that there might be divergent views on a particular subject.
Personally I think jumping on petty things such as this does nothing but damage the anti discrimination message. It trivialises it to a point where people do not take it seriously. There are far more important issues to overcome if we are to rid this world of every type of discrimination.
It is funny that the most offensive post in this whole thread passed without any comment and was made by someone who earlier condemned discrimination.
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Post by eggchaserbull on Aug 26, 2015 11:01:56 GMT
Imagine your wife/mother/daughter/sister etc subjected to this abuse just because of her gender - are you happy with that idea? Abuse is "get yer tit's out"? Where are you living to be so sheltered? On another note.... If it was a predominately female crowd and they sang to me "get yer c*ck out for the girls" then the old boy would be out and swinging... and they could abuse me all they wanted
A keyboard cock waver. Makes a change to a keyboard warrior, I suppose.
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Post by keepmum on Aug 26, 2015 11:41:36 GMT
I do believe the original poster used the word kick in the title metaphorically..although I haven't gone back to read the post ..I wouldn't condone violence
I m not a feminist by any show of imagination but I do work in healthcare and would not expect the physio to have such comments yelled at her in a hospital corridor so why is it acceptable in a football ground .Im sure she and the gentleman s wife like myself is more than capable of defending themselves ..the point is why should we have to . Likewise those that are ginger or overweight shouldn't have to either ..I don't hear it half the time at matches but when I do it's usually from men behaving like children trying to compensate for something
I'm not advocating standing and applauding politely it's not Ar**nal .. But I want to watch the footie (the whole point of going) not listen to a load of tripe ..I still think it' was worth bringing up as it has created a debate and if it makes some people think before they open their mouths ..happy days
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