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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2018 10:51:47 GMT
One Steve Evans replacing another Steve Evans, then?
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Post by uggabull on Oct 3, 2018 10:53:15 GMT
Trying to hold comment til the end of October. Trying.
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Post by foghornbull on Oct 3, 2018 11:06:55 GMT
Good luck to the new team in charge, certainly got to give them a chance going forward .
Personally i dont mind the new structure with head coach and head of football it works in many other sports so good luck to them
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Post by Barney still in B-Block on Oct 3, 2018 11:35:25 GMT
It’s a massive sh1tshow by the board, no question, probably couldn’t have appeared any more amateur if they’d deliberately tried to look like gurning idiots.
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There’s a danger that Tim and Marc could become submerged in this toxic atmosphere caused entirely by their employers. I’m moderately underwhelmed by the appointments, and perplexed by the further boosting of the non-playing staff roster, but let’s give them a chance hey?
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Post by youngsalmon on Oct 3, 2018 12:02:49 GMT
It’s a massive sh1tshow by the board, no question, probably couldn’t have appeared any more amateur if they’d deliberately tried to look like gurning idiots. But. There’s a danger that Tim and Marc could become submerged in this toxic atmosphere caused entirely by their employers. I’m moderately underwhelmed by the appointments, and perplexed by the further boosting of the non-playing staff roster, but let’s give them a chance hey? So lets set them a target that should be achieved with their superior coaching skills, youth development and plethora of contacts. I suggest 11th and 90% uptake of season ticket renewals.
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Post by changeabull on Oct 3, 2018 12:13:40 GMT
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Post by nailswortholdbull on Oct 3, 2018 12:16:20 GMT
Re Young Salmon's target suggestion: Not a bad idea, as mid table is starting to look acceptable. However, the 2 targets are linked, and if we fail to get beyond 10th, then I seriously doubt that HFC will see 80% renewal of STs.
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Post by FASH on Oct 3, 2018 12:26:07 GMT
Overall, I am reasonably comfortable with the set up. Harris clearly knows this level of football, and has contacts. If he can bring players in, and Richards is as good a coach as it suggests on paper, then, yes, it could work very well. The whole situation has been handled poorly, however. If this had been announced 48 hours after Beadles departure, making it a clean, crisp process, it would have cut out several weeks of bad feeling being built up, in which time, any confidence on the pitch has been completely wiped out. An overhaul of the squad could easily be in line. Could be several weeks before we see any improvement. Big job on their hands to change the tide in the immediate future. Here's some of the players who'll be joining. www.gloucestercityafc.com/team/first-team/player-profiles/Some familiar names there! My guess is that Joe Parker will be joining. He has connections to Newport, Cinderford and Hartpury.
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Post by youngsalmon on Oct 3, 2018 12:26:17 GMT
Re Young Salmon's target suggestion: Not a bad idea, as mid table is starting to look acceptable. However, the 2 targets are linked, and if we fail to get beyond 10th, then I seriously doubt that HFC will see 80% renewal of STs. I was suggesting that they need to play attractive football and to lose 20% of STs would damage HFC's published ambitions.
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Post by andywcfc on Oct 3, 2018 12:35:43 GMT
I watched Tim Harris's Gloucester City sides over 6 or so years, until 18 months ago. Frustratingly so, as Gloucester beat Worcester 11 times out of 12, often on Boxing Day. Spoiled Christmas after Christmas, I can tell you. They were sides with Tim as manager, and Morford on the pitch.
Three things worthy of comment - Tim understands the role of a manager within a Conference North club - he knows the standards and the norms at this level. He will be grounded in the financial and aspirational reality of a Club. Nowhere moreso than what he had to do at Gloucester when the Club was in disarray after the flood move. I dont see why he wont be like that at Hereford. He built a committed set of Club volunteer activists around him, essential to keep that Club alive, when they could so easily have gone under.
Its clear that Gloucester and Worcester were operating on different financial models - which made a substantial difference to finances spent on playing budgets. While Worcester had players on contract, Gloucester didnt. Players got paid if they played (or were in the squad). Gloucester got a lot more for their money from their playing budget.
He kept Gloucester at Step 2 year on year. They would flirt with relegation, and rarely got above mid-table. They werent good footballers, but they got results. I hated watching them, and I didnt especially like their pie-throwing fans. They all were committed to the Gloucester cause. He got more from them than many outsiders thought he could. And year on year they survived. In their situation of 300 supporters, paying out to ground-share. They never had the resources to seriously challenge, so Tim is not tested at that end of the table. Tim knows that a run of 10 good results with momentum can be enough to keep you up - and he may concentrate towards that effort in a struggling Club.
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Post by FASH on Oct 3, 2018 12:54:00 GMT
I watched Tim Harris's Gloucester City sides over 6 or so years, until 18 months ago. Frustratingly so, as Gloucester beat Worcester 11 times out of 12, often on Boxing Day. Spoiled Christmas after Christmas, I can tell you. They were sides with Tim as manager, and Morford on the pitch. Three things worthy of comment - Tim understands the role of a manager within a Conference North club - he knows the standards and the norms at this level. He will be grounded in the financial and aspirational reality of a Club. Nowhere moreso than what he had to do at Gloucester when the Club was in disarray after the flood move. I dont see why he wont be like that at Hereford. He built a committed set of Club volunteer activists around him, essential to keep that Club alive, when they could so easily have gone under. Its clear that Gloucester and Worcester were operating on different financial models - which made a substantial difference to finances spent on playing budgets. While Worcester had players on contract, Gloucester didnt. Players got paid if they played (or were in the squad). Gloucester got a lot more for their money from their playing budget. He kept Gloucester at Step 2 year on year. They would flirt with relegation, and rarely got above mid-table. They werent good footballers, but they got results. I hated watching them, and I didnt especially like their pie-throwing fans. They all were committed to the Gloucester cause. He got more from them than many outsiders thought he could. And year on year they survived. In their situation of 300 supporters, paying out to ground-share. They never had the resources to seriously challenge, so Tim is not tested at that end of the table. Tim knows that a run of 10 good results with momentum can be enough to keep you up - and he may concentrate towards that effort in a struggling Club. Hereford weren't a struggling club until he arrived. They were a club who hit a bad spell of form (lost 3 out of 4) which wasn't helped by injuries and suspensions to key players. If 3 points off the play offs is struggling then the world's gone mad. Timmy and Richards weren't brought in to put out fires and stabilise the club, they have apparently been brought in to project Hereford to the football league.
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Post by changeabull on Oct 3, 2018 13:06:58 GMT
I watched Tim Harris's Gloucester City sides over 6 or so years, until 18 months ago. Frustratingly so, as Gloucester beat Worcester 11 times out of 12, often on Boxing Day. Spoiled Christmas after Christmas, I can tell you. They were sides with Tim as manager, and Morford on the pitch. Three things worthy of comment - Tim understands the role of a manager within a Conference North club - he knows the standards and the norms at this level. He will be grounded in the financial and aspirational reality of a Club. Nowhere moreso than what he had to do at Gloucester when the Club was in disarray after the flood move. I dont see why he wont be like that at Hereford. He built a committed set of Club volunteer activists around him, essential to keep that Club alive, when they could so easily have gone under. Its clear that Gloucester and Worcester were operating on different financial models - which made a substantial difference to finances spent on playing budgets. While Worcester had players on contract, Gloucester didnt. Players got paid if they played (or were in the squad). Gloucester got a lot more for their money from their playing budget. He kept Gloucester at Step 2 year on year. They would flirt with relegation, and rarely got above mid-table. They werent good footballers, but they got results. I hated watching them, and I didnt especially like their pie-throwing fans. They all were committed to the Gloucester cause. He got more from them than many outsiders thought he could. And year on year they survived. In their situation of 300 supporters, paying out to ground-share. They never had the resources to seriously challenge, so Tim is not tested at that end of the table. Tim knows that a run of 10 good results with momentum can be enough to keep you up - and he may concentrate towards that effort in a struggling Club. He sounds like the ideal manager for a small club with tiny crowds punching above their weight in a league that's too high for them. Unfortunately for him we're the exact opposite, a big club with good crowds playing at least a level lower than where we should be. And it sounds like he's not particularly interested in playing entertaining, attacking football either. All in all it looks like the wrong men at the wrong club at the wrong time.
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Post by andywcfc on Oct 3, 2018 13:41:04 GMT
Hereford weren't a struggling club until he arrived. Many promoted Clubs into NN have done well as they have kept their squads together, and have entered the season with momentum from the year before. Hereford didnt do that, so would be going against history to get anywhere above mid-way. The best way to keep out of the relegation zone in NN is to beat as many of the other bottom half/struggling sides as you can. By taking your early points off Blyth, Curzon, Nuneaton and Leamington at the beginning of the season, you set off on the right course.
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Post by upthebulls on Oct 3, 2018 13:47:18 GMT
I watched Tim Harris's Gloucester City sides over 6 or so years, until 18 months ago. Frustratingly so, as Gloucester beat Worcester 11 times out of 12, often on Boxing Day. Spoiled Christmas after Christmas, I can tell you. They were sides with Tim as manager, and Morford on the pitch. Three things worthy of comment - Tim understands the role of a manager within a Conference North club - he knows the standards and the norms at this level. He will be grounded in the financial and aspirational reality of a Club. Nowhere moreso than what he had to do at Gloucester when the Club was in disarray after the flood move. I dont see why he wont be like that at Hereford. He built a committed set of Club volunteer activists around him, essential to keep that Club alive, when they could so easily have gone under. Its clear that Gloucester and Worcester were operating on different financial models - which made a substantial difference to finances spent on playing budgets. While Worcester had players on contract, Gloucester didnt. Players got paid if they played (or were in the squad). Gloucester got a lot more for their money from their playing budget. He kept Gloucester at Step 2 year on year. They would flirt with relegation, and rarely got above mid-table. They werent good footballers, but they got results. I hated watching them, and I didnt especially like their pie-throwing fans. They all were committed to the Gloucester cause. He got more from them than many outsiders thought he could. And year on year they survived. In their situation of 300 supporters, paying out to ground-share. They never had the resources to seriously challenge, so Tim is not tested at that end of the table. Tim knows that a run of 10 good results with momentum can be enough to keep you up - and he may concentrate towards that effort in a struggling Club. We already have a terrific team of volunteers.
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Post by youngsalmon on Oct 3, 2018 13:48:23 GMT
Hereford weren't a struggling club until he arrived. Many promoted Clubs into NN have done well as they have kept their squads together, and have entered the season with momentum from the year before. Hereford didnt do that, so would be going against history to get anywhere above mid-way. The best way to keep out of the relegation zone in NN is to beat as many of the other bottom half/struggling sides as you can. By taking your early points off Blyth, Curzon, Nuneaton and Leamington at the beginning of the season, you set off on the right course. Beadle did that without Harris' input is my understanding.
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Post by timmeee on Oct 3, 2018 15:28:42 GMT
My guess is that Joe Parker will be joining. He has connections to Newport, Cinderford and Hartpury. I’ve seen Joe play, he would be a fantastic signing for us - incredibly quick and can finish when given the chance. He’s played with Symo before too, so they’d work well together. Sign him up Marc.
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Post by timmeee on Oct 3, 2018 15:35:41 GMT
I watched Tim Harris's Gloucester City sides over 6 or so years, until 18 months ago. Frustratingly so, as Gloucester beat Worcester 11 times out of 12, often on Boxing Day. Spoiled Christmas after Christmas, I can tell you. They were sides with Tim as manager, and Morford on the pitch. Three things worthy of comment - Tim understands the role of a manager within a Conference North club - he knows the standards and the norms at this level. He will be grounded in the financial and aspirational reality of a Club. Nowhere moreso than what he had to do at Gloucester when the Club was in disarray after the flood move. I dont see why he wont be like that at Hereford. He built a committed set of Club volunteer activists around him, essential to keep that Club alive, when they could so easily have gone under. Its clear that Gloucester and Worcester were operating on different financial models - which made a substantial difference to finances spent on playing budgets. While Worcester had players on contract, Gloucester didnt. Players got paid if they played (or were in the squad). Gloucester got a lot more for their money from their playing budget. He kept Gloucester at Step 2 year on year. They would flirt with relegation, and rarely got above mid-table. They werent good footballers, but they got results. I hated watching them, and I didnt especially like their pie-throwing fans. They all were committed to the Gloucester cause. He got more from them than many outsiders thought he could. And year on year they survived. In their situation of 300 supporters, paying out to ground-share. They never had the resources to seriously challenge, so Tim is not tested at that end of the table. Tim knows that a run of 10 good results with momentum can be enough to keep you up - and he may concentrate towards that effort in a struggling Club. Very good post Andy. The three local City teams Hereford, Gloucester and Worcester have been through the mill over the past few years. We’re lucky to have the fan base and ground to be able to rebuild quickly. Gloucester have been homeless for 11 years, but look finally set to be coming home next season. I’m unsure as to how long Worcester will be homeless for, but they are having a better season this year so hopefully they will bounce back quickly. I wish you all the best.
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Post by eggchaserbull on Oct 3, 2018 15:43:58 GMT
Shouldn't be difficult to identify. A person who eats vegetables should be easy to spot in a Villa Park crowd.
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Post by onlooker on Oct 3, 2018 15:45:21 GMT
A comparison of the current league positions of Gloucester and Hereford is very interesting as they are very similar. Both clubs are in 17th position after 11 games, Gloucester with 14 points, Hereford with 11. Both have scored 8 goals, whilst Gloucester have conceded 13 against Hereford's 15. Gloucester's position looks slightly healthier due to their extra 3 points and because three teams show signs of becoming stranded in the relegation positions in National South. If Gloucester have a prolific goal scorer we can poach he is yet to reveal his hand.
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Post by Gaz on Oct 3, 2018 16:07:35 GMT
I've got to be honest; I'm fairly underwhelmed by the signing. Maybe they'll be great, but frankly what have they done to show that's the case? A solitary conference south win, 9 years ago? It's clear that the board just decided to sack Beadle, then had absolutely no clue what to do afterwards.
Which is why we ended up with Green in charge. I love the bloke and he's still our best player by a country mile, but no one’s ever thought "What a great captain Greener would make" so why on earth was he temporary boss? Add in Gareth Davies who seemed to think he could control the players like fifa, constantly yelling at each one exactly where he wanted them to play. (that being said, when he tried to kick the ball at Torquay and missed, I did laugh a lot).
I've only missed the Spennymoor match since Beadle was sacked, Ashton we were awful, Truro we were average, Truro away we were awful, then average, then lucky (it was amazing though, well worth the 8 hour round trip) And Chester was just the worst I've seen in 5 years. We've got a lack of quality accross the pitch, and that's why we keep getting cards. The players just run out of skill.
And I'm sick to death of Ken Kinnersley referring to decisions I hate as "Unanimous" I know the HUST is toothless, but stop rubbing it in our faces.
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