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Dec 6, 2021 15:48:25 GMT
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From past experience, if somebody says that something hasn't been Munsleyed then it undoubtedly has been Munsleyed.
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Jarrod
Dec 6, 2021 18:02:36 GMT
Post by Barney still in B-Block on Dec 6, 2021 18:02:36 GMT
From past experience, if somebody says that something hasn't been Munsleyed then it undoubtedly has been Munsleyed. Well it hasn't, sorry to disappoint. Anyways, have done ww's homework for him, and the only comment I can find about Jarrod (or any other local youngster) is reproduced, in its entirety, below. If that qualifies as '' Much criticised, of course, by the outsiders moderating this forum'', then I'll hold my hands up. ' Why? To simply put more English qualified kids on the PL pitch of a weekend? How would that help Sir Gareth if they're not quite good enough? Jarrod is a more than decent footballer (with a charming ability to deliver crosses from the wrong side of the pitch with his wrong foot), but is, I feel, just a notch or two below making the England side better (although would be delighted to be proven wrong.) I'd say we need more of the likes of Mount, Grealish, Alexander-Arnold, Foden, Bellingham, Saka, Rice, Phillips and their ilk, young players who are already, or who have the potential to be, truly world class. You might not like it, but the elite of England's current crop of youngsters have bloomed, visibly, and put the national side into -when did this last happen? - a final and a semi in the last two proper competitions. Clearly, playing with and being coached by the very best in the world, the majority of whom are foreign and yeah, right, stealing our jobs, has hugely improved our chances of actually winning something.'
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Dec 6, 2021 18:50:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 18:50:08 GMT
What a load of nonsense that was!
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Dec 6, 2021 18:52:21 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 18:52:21 GMT
Herefordshire does produce some really good footballers. There is quite a nice flow of talent with local roots at the moment. The problem is that the football machine is now so slick that the majority of the really promising players get nabbed by the larger clubs that surround the county.
The one player that has done better than all the others at this moment in time though is Jarrod and he somehow managed to slip through the gaps in their monster set ups. He bossed Chelsea at the weekend, that is both mad and brilliant to see.
Hereford have some promising U18s on the go at the moment. It would be great to think that one or two of them could make it at a half decent level.
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Dec 6, 2021 18:53:05 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 18:53:05 GMT
Westfields operate three tiers below HFC, and to my knowledge, aren't spilling over with homegrown talent, although certainly more than HFC. I suspect that if HFC were to follow the locals only route, they'd struggle, and soon be unable to justify playing at Edgar Street, relocate to a field, and become the second or third best supported team in the county.
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Dec 6, 2021 19:04:21 GMT
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Post by Hawkeye on Dec 6, 2021 19:04:21 GMT
Herefordshire does produce some really good footballers. There is quite a nice flow of talent with local roots at the moment. The problem is that the football machine is now so slick that the majority of the really promising players get nabbed by the larger clubs that surround the county. The one player that has done better than all the others at this moment in time though is Jarrod and he somehow managed to slip through the gaps in their monster set ups. He bossed Chelsea at the weekend, that is both mad and brilliant to see. Hereford have some promising U18s on the go at the moment. It would be great to think that one or two of them could make it at a half decent level. Another 'problem' might be that the parents of any promising, up and coming local young player, will probably be banging on the doors of/telephoning/texting/e-mailing Premier League/Championship clubs extolling the virtues of their talented young boy. Does anyone know if Tony James had his boy on the books of a Hereford based club?
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Dec 6, 2021 19:05:16 GMT
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Post by mikeunderpenyard on Dec 6, 2021 19:05:16 GMT
*Cheltenham Town are the biggest threat to local talent.
*bloody foreigners.
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Post by colebridgebull on Dec 6, 2021 19:26:07 GMT
We are where we are. Any decent talent gets hoovered up at a very young age, and not by your local National League North Club. Bowen was a bit of a “late” developer in that he had already had trials with (and been rejected by Cardiff and Villa) before joining the HUFC youth set up. See also Paul Parry.
Academies and satellite academies have “spotters” watching kids football from under 8 onwards. You can’t move for them at summer tournaments.
The subsequent rejection rate is enormous. It’s brutal.
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Dec 6, 2021 19:34:38 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 19:34:38 GMT
Herefordshire does produce some really good footballers. There is quite a nice flow of talent with local roots at the moment. The problem is that the football machine is now so slick that the majority of the really promising players get nabbed by the larger clubs that surround the county. The one player that has done better than all the others at this moment in time though is Jarrod and he somehow managed to slip through the gaps in their monster set ups. He bossed Chelsea at the weekend, that is both mad and brilliant to see. Hereford have some promising U18s on the go at the moment. It would be great to think that one or two of them could make it at a half decent level. Another 'problem' might be that the parents of any promising, up and coming local young player, will probably be banging on the doors of/telephoning/texting/e-mailing Premier League/Championship clubs extolling the virtues of their talented young boy. Does anyone know if Tony James had his boy on the books of a Hereford based club? He was at Hinton as a nipper I think, then I think briefly at Peggy. He then got in to the Brum set up and things obviously grew from there. He is a really good lad.
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Dec 6, 2021 20:53:01 GMT
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Post by Barney still in B-Block on Dec 6, 2021 20:53:01 GMT
What a load of nonsense that was! Probably so, but I’m still waiting for your boy to back up his statement. He’s quite fond of the bombastic swipe, less fond of engaging when it’s called out as complete BS. Look, this is a tiny little world, where hardly anyone gives a toss about what folk think. That wainwrong cares enough to invent an agenda for people who don’t share his views is funny and sad in equal portions. Wouldn’t bother me if he comes up with a new one every week, we all need a giggle now and again.
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Dec 6, 2021 21:08:42 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 21:08:42 GMT
To be fair, I thought the same as ww. I don't know why and can't really be arsed to go through hundreds of posts to check. If this were 10 years ago then I would've happily spent all night finding the evidence. Fortunately, I can no longer be arsed!
On a related but slightly different note, it does seem to me that HFC fans aren't going overboard on Bowen. It seems like they are not all that excited by it. Do you think this is because the subconsciously have a disconnect between the last year of Hereford United and the current Hereford FC? Or... considering the piss poor attendances around the time that he played for us, perhaps hardly anyone actually saw him play(!?) so feel like they cannot lay claim to him.
Just seems a little low-key. For example, when Paul Parry was performing well in a higher division (mediocre in comparison, although excellent in his own right) HUFC fans seemed to be over the moon. Even at a rival. I'm sure this was the case for many other player in years gone by. You rarely see Bowen mentioned by a HFC or HUFC fan aside from me or some bloke on Twitter who keeps binging up the time that he bought a scotch egg from him in assembly.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 21:19:34 GMT
To be fair, I thought the same as ww. I don't know why and can't really be arsed to go through hundreds of posts to check. If this were 10 years ago then I would've happily spent all night finding the evidence. Fortunately, I can no longer be arsed! On a related but slightly different note, it does seem to me that HFC fans aren't going overboard on Bowen. It seems like they are not all that excited by it. Do you think this is because the subconsciously have a disconnect between the last year of Hereford United and the current Hereford FC? Or... considering the piss poor attendances around the time that he played for us, perhaps hardly anyone actually saw him play(!?) so feel like they cannot lay claim to him. Just seems a little low-key. For example, when Paul Parry was performing well in a higher division (mediocre in comparison, although excellent in his own right) HUFC fans seemed to be over the moon. Even at a rival. I'm sure this was the case for many other player in years gone by. You rarely see Bowen mentioned by a HFC or HUFC fan aside from me or some bloke on Twitter who keeps binging up the time that he bought a scotch egg from him in assembly. I think there is a fair bit of pride in him on here. Paul Parry played a lot of games for Hereford to be fair. I personally missed the last two HUFC games (if you ignore the zombie season). I think I am right in thinking that he played 7 games for us but I cannot picture him at all - my own fault I guess. I am well chuffed though and am never shy in bringing up his roots at any opportunity when speaking with people beyond the shire.
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Dec 6, 2021 21:24:37 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 21:24:37 GMT
Personally, I think all HFC fans hate him because he comes from Lemner. Entirely understandable but they should probably calm down about it, don't you think?
Can you not even picture him scoring against Alfreton? Ah, I see.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 21:26:54 GMT
To be fair, I thought the same as ww. I don't know why and can't really be arsed to go through hundreds of posts to check. If this were 10 years ago then I would've happily spent all night finding the evidence. Fortunately, I can no longer be arsed! FWIW my contribution a little further up the thread was a direct quote from this post by barney - and deliberately taken somewhat out of context, given the remaining content of the post. A half-arsed attempt at a Newelly, if you will. It was the 'best' I could find and, like yourself, I couldn't be arsed to look any further. We move on.
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Dec 6, 2021 21:28:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 21:28:53 GMT
Can you not even picture him scoring against Alfreton? Ah, I see. Thanks for that. I was only at poxy Kiln Park too.
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Dec 6, 2021 21:33:42 GMT
Post by colebridgebull on Dec 6, 2021 21:33:42 GMT
I think I saw Bowen play once from memory (the Aldershot game in which he was subbed off and missed a relatively easy chance). Unless he was one of the lads kicking an empty can around the front bit of the ME or picking up the coins that used to be chucked at the lad who used to attract them (that’s the best way I can describe it), I can’t say that I felt any great connection with him, although I recall that there was a general feeling that he would play at a decent level. Like Cory Williams and Billy Murphy…
Like Barney, I have no recollection of ever criticising him or any other local born players. Why would I given my level of attendance in recent years? I make a point of not commenting on stuff I haven’t seen.
If there are receipts, then I’m happy to be corrected.
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Dec 6, 2021 21:34:15 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 21:34:15 GMT
Can you not even picture him scoring against Alfreton? Ah, I see. Thanks for that. I was only at poxy Kiln Park too. I appreciate that it's often difficult to find a space in which to leave one's kiln, so you are not entirely to blame.
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Dec 6, 2021 21:36:54 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 21:36:54 GMT
My first, virtually only memory of seeing JB play was against (I think) Woking at ES, after Foyle had gone and Beadle had taken up the reins. It might even have been his debut for the first team.
I was impressed. HUFC were poor but JB played well and without any apparent semblance of fear. At one point, he went toe to toe with a shithouse defender who was clearly trying to intimidate him, and failed. Good lad.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 21:41:37 GMT
I think I saw him play once from memory (the Aldershot game in which he was subbed off and missed a relatively easy chance). I'm not trying to convince people that they should create a warm and fuzzy memory of him, I'm just slightly surprised at the lack of memory. He was excellent in our youth team. Someone must've watched him in the youth team? You must've watched that Man City game at least? Did he not perform excellently for the whole of his time with us, being instrumental in keeping us up? Was he not class in the Alfreton game and excellent in the Aldershot game (I'm not sure "subbed off and missed a relatively easy chance" is particularly fair given his overall contribution)? All I can say is that I was convinced that he'd be playing for Hull sooner than he did. He must've done something to make me think that. It's just a bit weird. Maybe everyone went through so much stress that their memory wiped itself? Or maybe they just don't want to remember. Who knows. It's not as if it matters. Just quite interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 21:48:53 GMT
I think I saw him play once from memory (the Aldershot game in which he was subbed off and missed a relatively easy chance). I'm not trying to convince people that they should create a warm and fuzzy memory of him, I'm just slightly surprised at the lack of memory. He was excellent in our youth team. Someone must've watched him in the youth team? You must've watched that Man City game at least? Did he not perform excellently for the whole of his time with us, being instrumental in keeping us up? Was he not class in the Alfreton game and excellent in the Aldershot game (I'm not sure "subbed off and missed a relatively easy chance" is particularly fair given his overall contribution)? All I can say is that I was convinced that he'd be playing for Hull sooner than he did. He must've done something to make me think that. It's just a bit weird. Maybe everyone went through so much stress that their memory wiped itself? Or maybe they just don't want to remember. Who knows. It's not as if it matters. Just quite interesting. I think you nailed it. If you think of Paul Parry you are probably going to think of smashing teams 5-0 and 7-1 etc. If you think of the glimpse of Bowen you are probably going to think of what was until the last two games an awful awful season, then you are going to think of collection tins, then gangsters then boycotting. Been done to death all of it but still crap approaching a decade on. Then the last stinger is the knowledge that HUFC got nowt for him. Everyone is proud of him being one of our own though surely.
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