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Post by singe on May 15, 2018 0:52:45 GMT
An excellent analysis. Well worth a read. I haven't read such utter tosh in a long time! Perhaps as he "claims" to be an academic this shouldn't be a surprise as he is no doubt institutionally Marxist and utterly sold on the idea of undemocratic superstates rather than democratic nation states. I could spend an hour demolishing each and every one of his statements in turn but frankly he is not worth the wear and tear on my computer keyboard. Suffice to say that the reason Brexit is where Brexit is is due to having a dithering Remainer Prime Minister doing the negotiating who is more concerned about her own political survival than the interests of the country. This explains the complete lack of a robust stance on things like Northern Ireland, the Customs Union, The City etc. The UK has many bargaining chips and we might get somewhere if we started to use them properly. I suppose Mr. Grey would claim that I am a Leaver "blaming someone else" but then I am not the Prime Minister and she is using a different strategy from that which I would propose, if indeed she has a strategy at all. I am not blaming someone else, I and allocating responsibility for actions or lack there of. Criticism is perfectly allowable. After all if we had a Manager who constantly played a Goalie as a Forward even though he couldn't hit a barn door we would all be calling for at least a change in tactics, if not of Manager would we not? Really? Thought is was a damn good read. Would love to hear you comment on each of his statements - very easy to just make a statement like that without backing it up. Perhaps the reason there isn't a robust stand on Northern Ireland is because there isn't any feasible answer to that and Brexiteers simply didn't think it through (or didn't care). What UK bargaining chips are there? I can't think of any.
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Post by indestructibull on May 15, 2018 6:51:24 GMT
Really? Thought is was a damn good read. Would love to hear you comment on each of his statements - very easy to just make a statement like that without backing it up. Perhaps the reason there isn't a robust stand on Northern Ireland is because there isn't any feasible answer to that and Brexiteers simply didn't think it through (or didn't care). What UK bargaining chips are there? I can't think of any. Bang on.
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Post by colebridgebull on May 15, 2018 7:02:50 GMT
I think the comment in Vectabull's second paragraph ("claims" to be an academic and "is no doubt institutionally Marxist") s rather telling. Don't like the message, so let's see if we can debunk the messenger.
Rather smacks of Gove's ridiculous remark that "we've all had quite enough of experts"
If Vectabull wants to undertake his statement by statement demolition, then bring it on.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 7:36:49 GMT
The tenor of just about every statement one hears is that "we have to make the best of a bad job."
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Post by Peroni on May 15, 2018 8:51:25 GMT
whatever the remain or brex outcome had been, the quality people in westminster would always have managed to make a right ww of it
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Post by singe on May 15, 2018 9:26:10 GMT
I think the comment in Vectabull's second paragraph ("claims" to be an academic and "is no doubt institutionally Marxist") s rather telling. Don't like the message, so let's see if we can debunk the messenger. Rather smacks of Gove's ridiculous remark that "we've all had quite enough of experts"If Vectabull wants to undertake his statement by statement demolition, then bring it on. I missed that one. One of the most repulsive individuals in the UK government at the moment (especially considering his background). On second thoughts, maybe not.
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Post by colebridgebull on May 15, 2018 9:49:09 GMT
Gove is a tricky one for me. Pretty smug, loathsome and a back stabber of the first order. And, of course, married to one of the viler Daily Mail columnists.
Yet he was actually a pretty decent and thoughtful Lord Chancellor when he had the job. Given the recent calibre of the other holders of that post, faint praise perhaps, but I was sorry to see him go.
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Post by Barney still in B-Block on May 15, 2018 10:12:31 GMT
I think the comment in Vectabull's second paragraph ("claims" to be an academic and "is no doubt institutionally Marxist") s rather telling. Don't like the message, so let's see if we can debunk the messenger. Rather smacks of Gove's ridiculous remark that "we've all had quite enough of experts"If Vectabull wants to undertake his statement by statement demolition, then bring it on. I missed that one. One of the most repulsive individuals in the UK government at the moment (especially considering his background). On second thoughts, maybe not. Yup. Not an easy arena in which to stand out, given the quality of other runners, but he's right up there.
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Post by bullish on May 15, 2018 10:21:00 GMT
Gove is a tricky one for me. Pretty smug, loathsome and a back stabber of the first order. And, of course, married to one of the viler Daily Mail columnists. Yet he was actually a pretty decent and thoughtful Lord Chancellor when he had the job. Given the recent calibrate of the other holders of that post, faint praise perhaps, but I was sorry to see him go. that's a relief. i thought i was the only one conflicted about gove.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2018 12:07:12 GMT
Gove is a tricky one for me. Pretty smug, loathsome and a back stabber of the first order. And, of course, married to one of the viler Daily Mail columnists. Yet he was actually a pretty decent and thoughtful Lord Chancellor when he had the job. Given the recent calibrate of the other holders of that post, faint praise perhaps, but I was sorry to see him go. Stuck to his brief as Education Secretary. Which is a shame for everyone involved with Education, not least the (won't someone think of the) children, as it greatly resembled Jeremy Rhyming-Slang's all out war on the Health service. I understand he's doing rather well detoxifying the Gove brand with a stint in charge of the environment.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 20:41:08 GMT
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Post by colebridgebull on May 22, 2018 15:38:27 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 18:39:13 GMT
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Post by colebridgebull on May 27, 2018 8:07:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 10:28:57 GMT
It will p@ss you off for starters. With your incessant tick tocking nonsense.
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Post by colebridgebull on May 27, 2018 10:30:06 GMT
That's one of course.
Any more?
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 10:33:05 GMT
Nope.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 10:42:12 GMT
Now. About those benefits of Brexit? Anyone want to list them?
1. No more bleedin' foreigners living in our country. 2. No bleedin' foreigners telling us how to run our country. 3. Jobs for Englishmen.
4. £976 billion for the NHS.
5. The brain-dead shall inherit the earth.
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Post by Incognito on May 27, 2018 12:04:54 GMT
6. An English cricket coach for the national team?
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