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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 6:47:24 GMT
And as a British person I assume you are claiming to be one of these 'most tolerant' people right? Though your happy to claim the average (and therefore implying most) Eastern Europeans are racist. You also seem happy to judge a country by it's ideals from long ago. Shall I remind you Britain doesn't have a clean past? Colonialism and the slave trade? And anyway if other countries are more racist than us, it doesn't excuse the racism that goes on here. And if you truley think there's no racism in Britain you are naive or ignorant. There is no reason why anyone should be treated differently because if their appearance or religion. Oh god, another left wing extremist sneering at the UK, just what this forum needs. Here's a link that proves my point about the UK being the most tolerant and Eastern Europeans being the most racist. www.indy100.com/article/european-countriesracist-study-european-union-map-prejudice-survey-7893106As for your dig at the British Empire, maybe there might be the odd regrettable incident but by and large the British Empire was something to be proud of. Our humble nation cultured and civilised most of the world, were responsible for the abolition of slavery and also granted our colonies independence when they were ready to govern themselves. I think that should be a source of pride for our country rather than shame. Isn't one of the reasons China is smashing deals with all of these countries because they have no past with them? |
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Post by fisics on Aug 29, 2019 6:48:24 GMT
And as a British person I assume you are claiming to be one of these 'most tolerant' people right? Though your happy to claim the average (and therefore implying most) Eastern Europeans are racist. You also seem happy to judge a country by it's ideals from long ago. Shall I remind you Britain doesn't have a clean past? Colonialism and the slave trade? And anyway if other countries are more racist than us, it doesn't excuse the racism that goes on here. And if you truley think there's no racism in Britain you are naive or ignorant. There is no reason why anyone should be treated differently because if their appearance or religion. Oh god, another left wing extremist sneering at the UK, just what this forum needs. Here's a link that proves my point about the UK being the most tolerant and Eastern Europeans being the most racist. www.indy100.com/article/european-countriesracist-study-european-union-map-prejudice-survey-7893106As for your dig at the British Empire, maybe there might be the odd regrettable incident but by and large the British Empire was something to be proud of. Our humble nation cultured and civilised most of the world, were responsible for the abolition of slavery and also granted our colonies independence when they were ready to govern themselves. I think that should be a source of pride for our country rather than shame. Wow I'm a left wing extremist for wanting people to not be racist ? Is that how far right the centre ground has shifted. It's great to have my entire political view assumed and summed up by from one post on a football forum, thank you. And I'm sorry that you missed my point. I'm not sneering at Britain, I'm showing that your use of judging a country by it's ideals in the past rather than it's current ideals is wrong and can be twisted to represent any view by picking the moments in history that suit your arguments. |
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Post by ronnieclayton on Aug 29, 2019 7:02:37 GMT
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As for your dig at the British Empire, maybe there might be the odd regrettable incident.....
Good Lord - now I've heard everything. A thousand years of colonial history reduced to 'the odd regrettable incident'.
It reminds me of the extract from Beyond the Fringe.
' By atrocities sir, I assume you are referring to the isolated and sporadic outbreaks of whole tribes being wiped out.'
Out of context of course, but still apposite.
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Post by FASH on Aug 29, 2019 7:19:15 GMT
Everyone's ancestors have committed atrocities somewhere along the line. If not, their descendants wouldn't be alive today.
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Post by FASH on Aug 29, 2019 7:53:32 GMT
Back on topic, I see that all the #FBPE crowd on Twitter are calling for a general strike.
How will Britain survive without all the Herbal Therapists, Gender Studies Consultants, Diversity Analysts and Guardian journalists? And who's going to serve them coffee at 'Pret'?
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Post by singe on Aug 29, 2019 8:06:44 GMT
Everyone's ancestors have committed atrocities somewhere along the line. If not, their descendants wouldn't be alive today. ....and some attempt to make amends whereas others just become more bigoted. |
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Post by Barney still in B-Block on Aug 29, 2019 8:35:09 GMT
Back on topic, I see that all the #FBPE crowd on Twitter are calling for a general strike. How will Britain survive without all the Herbal Therapists, Gender Studies Consultants, Diversity Analysts and Guardian journalists? And who's going to serve them coffee at 'Pret'?
That's actually quite funny.
Is your regular script writer on holiday?
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Post by Palms Halt on Aug 29, 2019 8:45:26 GMT
Let's not also forget that three of the major countries in the EU have been ruled by fascist/nazi governments within living memory. There is no organisation more racist than the EU. Wow, nice try, but we all know that this was very much pre-EU. Take a look at Germany now and it's far more tolerant than the UK. Go there and see for yourself. It's a fantastic country on the up, while we pour petrol over ourselves and stand there waiting for somebody to come along with a match. This country is moving further and further to the right, to the point where it would come as little surprise if we become the fourth major country on your list in the near future. |
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Post by lazarus on Aug 29, 2019 9:38:16 GMT
Have you thought of moving to Germany whilst there is still free movement?
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Post by Palms Halt on Aug 29, 2019 9:40:58 GMT
Have you thought of moving to Germany whilst there is still free movement? Would be a bit short lived, wouldn't it? We're going to be poor enough soon as it is, without quitting jobs, shelling out the cost of moving to another country, buying a new house, and then having to do the same thing again a few months later. |
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Post by sevenoaksbull on Aug 29, 2019 10:22:49 GMT
I read this thread with amused detachment most of the time, but now and again I am prompted to make a comment.
Germany today; Gigantes suggests its a great place and tolerant. As someone who has worked in Germany in recent years that is not my experience. I work in housing and found German colleagues and others I came into contact with displaying levels of casual racism that would not be tolerated here. Ethnic groups are demonised and access to basic services are frustrated by byzantine procedures which don’t seem to be as rigidly applied to ‘normal’ (their expression) Germans. The far right, especially in the Eastern states whips up this casual racism in a way which would make Nick Griffin and his ilk blush.
No place is perfect, but even with the current shambles I’d rather live in this country than anywhere else in Europe, as in my personal experience, ie someone working in the provision of a basic human necessity, we are much fairer in this country than elsewhere in Europe or the USA. The problem in this country is essentially we have allowed ourselves to be governed by groups of self interested muppets of all political stripes. For that reason, the vast majority don’t engage and we end up with pitiful point scoring rather than action.
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Post by Palms Halt on Aug 29, 2019 12:32:39 GMT
I read this thread with amused detachment most of the time, but now and again I am prompted to make a comment. Germany today; Gigantes suggests its a great place and tolerant. As someone who has worked in Germany in recent years that is not my experience. I work in housing and found German colleagues and others I came into contact with displaying levels of casual racism that would not be tolerated here. Ethnic groups are demonised and access to basic services are frustrated by byzantine procedures which don’t seem to be as rigidly applied to ‘normal’ (their expression) Germans. The far right, especially in the Eastern states whips up this casual racism in a way which would make Nick Griffin and his ilk blush. No place is perfect, but even with the current shambles I’d rather live in this country than anywhere else in Europe, as in my personal experience, ie someone working in the provision of a basic human necessity, we are much fairer in this country than elsewhere in Europe or the USA. The problem in this country is essentially we have allowed ourselves to be governed by groups of self interested muppets of all political stripes. For that reason, the vast majority don’t engage and we end up with pitiful point scoring rather than action. If that's your experience then fair enough. I can only speak as I found it, but I've also only been as a tourist |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 12:49:06 GMT
I read this thread with amused detachment most of the time, but now and again I am prompted to make a comment. Germany today; Gigantes suggests its a great place and tolerant. As someone who has worked in Germany in recent years that is not my experience. I work in housing and found German colleagues and others I came into contact with displaying levels of casual racism that would not be tolerated here. Ethnic groups are demonised and access to basic services are frustrated by byzantine procedures which don’t seem to be as rigidly applied to ‘normal’ (their expression) Germans. The far right, especially in the Eastern states whips up this casual racism in a way which would make Nick Griffin and his ilk blush. No place is perfect, but even with the current shambles I’d rather live in this country than anywhere else in Europe, as in my personal experience, ie someone working in the provision of a basic human necessity, we are much fairer in this country than elsewhere in Europe or the USA. The problem in this country is essentially we have allowed ourselves to be governed by groups of self interested muppets of all political stripes. For that reason, the vast majority don’t engage and we end up with pitiful point scoring rather than action. I remember going on a student exchange there as a young un. Dillenburg - I guess a few people will have been there from the shire. I got put with a really boring family who were originally from Poland so were living in a pretty modest house. I had to go to church with them on the Sunday and sit through hours of Catholic stuff in German. All my mates bagged crazy drunks who were loaded and lived in big houses. The one lad came home from work (they were apprentices of some sort) and my mate asked him if he was alright. He replied "yes today I had a good day, I hit a Turk". The tile factory trip was a particular highlight. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 12:50:00 GMT
I have been to Germany since a few times and they are great. They are just us, but a bit better. They live well. Plus the beer doesn't kill you in the morning. Magical stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 12:56:31 GMT
They are unquestionably a better nation than us these days.
Does anybody, by the way, seriously believe that Boris himself actually believes in Brexit?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 12:57:29 GMT
They are unquestionably a better nation than us these days. Does anybody, by the way, seriously believe that Boris himself actually believes in Brexit? If he forces us to make beer like they do he can do whatever he wants. |
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Post by Gresty on Aug 29, 2019 13:06:52 GMT
They are unquestionably a better nation than us these days. Does anybody, by the way, seriously believe that Boris himself actually believes in Brexit? It's three years ago now but I recall that he left it until the last minute before announcing whether he was in favour of leaving or remaining. To me, it was evident even then that his decision was based upon what would most likely enable him to achieve his personal political objectives. It had nothing to do with what was best for the UK. It was then, and remains to this day, what was and remains best for Boris Johnson. What an utter shambles this entire thing has become. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 13:10:22 GMT
Didn't he have a massively European childhood based in the political nerve centre in Brussels?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 13:24:07 GMT
They are unquestionably a better nation than us these days. Does anybody, by the way, seriously believe that Boris himself actually believes in Brexit? It's three years ago now but I recall that he left it until the last minute before announcing whether he was in favour of leaving or remaining. To me, it was evident even then that his decision was based upon what would most likely enable him to achieve his personal political objectives. It had nothing to do with what was best for the UK. It was then, and remains to this day, what was and remains best for Boris Johnson. What an utter shambles this entire thing has become. You will be disappointed to know that I agree. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 13:27:41 GMT
Didn't he have a massively European childhood based in the political nerve centre in Brussels? Yes. It really is frightening how gullible people have been in these last three years. It is, however, a massive testament to how much better the rest of the world will be without us. (The other lot to whom we will lose more sovereignty than ever we did in Europe, won't be very special friends for long.) |
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