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Post by FASH on Mar 14, 2019 10:11:34 GMT
In every election people lie and give false promises, I don't know why people are putting so much emphasis on pre-vote shenanigans in this particular case when it's quite obviously a part of the process.
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Post by Palms Halt on Mar 14, 2019 10:29:26 GMT
In every election people lie and give false promises, I don't know why people are putting so much emphasis on pre-vote shenanigans in this particular case when it's quite obviously a part of the process. Because, when you here pro Brexit people talking on the street, they genuinely thought these things were going to happen. I used to work with a good few people who lapped that all up and were sucked right in to voting to leave. At least 70-80% of Brexiteers I've had conversations with believed this stuff. I feel sorry for them for how much they've been misled. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 12:23:41 GMT
In every election people lie and give false promises, I don't know why people are putting so much emphasis on pre-vote shenanigans in this particular case when it's quite obviously a part of the process. Because, when you here pro Brexit people talking on the street, they genuinely thought these things were going to happen. I used to work with a good few people who lapped that all up and were sucked right in to voting to leave. At least 70-80% of Brexiteers I've had conversations with believed this stuff. I feel sorry for them for how much they've been misled. I think your average Brixit voter (OK there is no such thing as a "average" Brixit voter, granted -certainly many people though), feels more aggrieved with parliament than what Brexit itself is gonna look like. If I hear anything it's of the nature "we voted out, now just get us out" |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 12:26:47 GMT
I think it's important though to get it right. This deal isn't right and nobody voted for WA Theresa May has "secured". For her to bring it back again is running the clock right down and another waste of time. She's had more than one opportunity..time for someone/something else.
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Post by Palms Halt on Mar 14, 2019 13:32:51 GMT
Why would anyone else get a better deal though? The EU have been clear all along what they will and won't give us. Repeatedly going back to them demanding more will hardly endear them to us
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 13:47:44 GMT
Why would anyone else get a better deal though? The EU have been clear all along what they will and won't give us. Repeatedly going back to them demanding more will hardly endear them to us Is this how it will go from here? |
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Post by Differentiabull on Mar 14, 2019 21:46:04 GMT
I think it's important though to get it right. This deal isn't right and nobody voted for WA Theresa May has "secured". For her to bring it back again is running the clock right down and another waste of time. She's had more than one opportunity..time for someone/something else. While it's blindingly obvious the Tory party are a shambles, the Labour party has to take some flak here as well,IMO. They keep crying this is a bad deal because of the backstop, yet also that they want a customs union. So why don't they vote for the WA? The solution to the backstop is then easy - have a customs union. If they truly wanted a brexit on their terms, this deal does exactly what they need - and they agree the customs union thereafter. They haven't done so, because they're playing politics. All sides are playing politics at a time of utter crisis, and it's a disgrace. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 22:12:44 GMT
Obviously Corbyn isn't interested in moving Brexit forward, his only aim is to force a general election and then put forward his version of Brexit (which the EU will like) and hope to become Prime Minister off the back of it.
Which I suppose is at least something different than May attempting for the third time to get her rotten deal through.
People who voted Brexit ain't gonna get anything like what they voted for. Unless the EU poo poo the extension and a no deal becomes a reality. Which is still very much a possibility.
The Dutch geezer is certainly having none of it..
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Post by Palms Halt on Mar 15, 2019 8:09:17 GMT
People who voted Brexit ain't gonna get anything like what they voted for Which was...? |
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Post by lazarus on Mar 15, 2019 8:43:32 GMT
Leaving the EU and its rush to federalism and a new relationship with European countries on the same footing as the rest of the World. Simples
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Post by bringbackelmo on Mar 15, 2019 10:38:59 GMT
Leaving the EU and its rush to federalism and a new relationship with European countries on the same footing as the rest of the World. Simples 80% of people that voted Brexit would not be able to define federalism. Absolute nonsense. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 10:49:52 GMT
Correct.
It was largely down to a load of ignorant old men messing up the world for their grandchildren.
And telling their wives to do the same.
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Post by lazarus on Mar 15, 2019 10:53:59 GMT
Correct. It was largely down to a load of ignorant old men messing up the world for their grandchildren. And telling their wives to do the same. [br Pompous, patronising pillock. |
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Post by singe on Mar 15, 2019 10:55:54 GMT
Correct. It was largely down to a load of ignorant old men messing up the world for their grandchildren. And telling their wives to do the samue. [br Pompous, patronising pillock. He has a point though. |
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Post by lazarus on Mar 15, 2019 10:59:23 GMT
[br Pompous, patronising pillock. He has a point though. As have those that chose to vote leave and it is no less valid than that of the unaccepting remainers despite their very loud voices |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 11:23:30 GMT
Correct. It was largely down to a load of ignorant old men messing up the world for their grandchildren. And telling their wives to do the same. [br Pompous, patronising pillock. Statistically valid. |
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Post by Barney still in B-Block on Mar 15, 2019 11:26:19 GMT
I'm not necessarily of a view that all Brexiters didn't know quite what they were voting for, but FFS, they DID, 100%, ABSOLUTELY know that they were throwing their support behind Rees-Mogg, Farage, and Johnson.
Isn't that enough, of itself?
And I wonder how many will realise that if Brexit happens, it won't be anything like the Brexit that the cockwombles above were after.
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Post by colebridgebull on Mar 15, 2019 11:30:00 GMT
The most telling and absolutely irrefutable fact in this whole farce is that those voices shouting about how we must leave have been the very quietest when offering any idea of how to do it.
Surely the penny has dropped by now.
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Post by lazarus on Mar 15, 2019 11:38:32 GMT
Unlike the very vocal remainers who lost the vote I can only speak for myself and saybthat I voted to leave the EU and not to support any other person.
The reason I have little to say about what " type " of Brexit is because there is only one type....
LEAVE.
The only discussion is what arrangements do Europe and ourselves want in the future as is the case with the rest of the world.
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Post by Palms Halt on Mar 15, 2019 11:46:44 GMT
Unlike the very vocal remainers who lost the vote I can only speak for myself and saybthat I voted to leave the EU and not to support any other person. The reason I have little to say about what " type " of Brexit is because there is only one type.... LEAVE. The only discussion is what arrangements do Europe and ourselves want in the future as is the case with the rest of the world. So you just want "LEAVE", but you want a discussion on what arrangements we have with Europe, which is a rehashed way of saying you want a deal. Yet another Brexitier full of hot air, with nothing of any substance to say |
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