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Post by Palms Halt on Feb 8, 2019 12:03:14 GMT
I know that's likely said in jest, but they're UK citizens. We can't just abandon them. Perhaps they'll just be moved to Gibraltar. That should resolve that issue.  |
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Post by Palms Halt on Feb 8, 2019 12:04:19 GMT
I know that's likely said in jest, but they're UK citizens. We can't just abandon them. They won't be abandoned, they'll still hold British citizenship and would be able to move back home whenever they want. But, as long as they are residing in different country they will be taxed on their pension locally. Pretty much as it is now. Sorry, I thought you said we didn't want them. My mistake. |
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Post by FASH on Feb 8, 2019 12:10:42 GMT
They won't be abandoned, they'll still hold British citizenship and would be able to move back home whenever they want. But, as long as they are residing in different country they will be taxed on their pension locally. Pretty much as it is now. Sorry, I thought you said we didn't want them. My mistake. I thought you were complaining about how much a drain on the system taking in 1,000,000 OAPs would be. I was just putting your mind to rest. My mistake. |
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Post by Barney still in B-Block on Feb 8, 2019 12:17:52 GMT
So that means you can lie about me apparently sending you two PMs? You'll all be doubtless delighted to hear that I have now used up all of the Alanis-o-meter gags known to man. Do carry on. |
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Post by Palms Halt on Feb 8, 2019 12:18:35 GMT
Sorry, I thought you said we didn't want them. My mistake. I thought you were complaining about how much a drain on the system taking in 1,000,000 OAPs would be. I was just putting your mind to rest. My mistake. If they're kicked out of their homes and made to come back then they will be a drain on the system, but it's not their fault. |
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Post by colebridgebull on Feb 8, 2019 12:20:35 GMT
Now this is rather odd. Only a couple of days, you had a nasty little dig on here: " I guess my only point against colebridge is that all my requests are often ignored which can be frustration when a part of that is people posting lies about you that they know only too well are lies."
So which is it? What requests are you referring to? As I said, I'm not aware of any. I've checked the reported posts, PMs and even FB messenger. Nothing. Am I missing something here? No otherwise I would have reported them. I think you know though that people post on here with 2 accounts. Maybe that happens a lot less now but I would imagine many of them are still active. Its just funny how many messages in the past have come from people with only 2-3 posts to their name. So your "only point" against me (and presumably the rest of the Moderating team (save-gasp-that we took the trouble to meet up prior to taking this madhouse on as we needed to be sure we could trust each other))is something that has never actually happened? Just so I can be clear on this. |
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Post by colebridgebull on Feb 8, 2019 12:23:00 GMT
(Btw I'm off today and it's raining so much that even the hound doesn't want to go out at the moment. Loads of time on my hands to address any issues anyone may have)
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Post by Skomer on Feb 8, 2019 12:24:28 GMT
I really have tried to keep out of this discussion. But in answer to Bobby47 20 hours ago, I would make the following comments. I apologise for the length, but thought his comments deserved a full response.
“The problem is that every year six billion quid of British earned money is being diverted to the poor countries to ease their poverty”. The money is not given for that purpose. It is to help build their infrastructure. The point is to try to even out the discrepancies in wealth across the EU not by welfare, but through economic growth. This then reduces economic migration within the EU, creates wealthy countries to export to and generally strengthens Europe as a whole. This is one reason why the number of Poles coming to the UK is falling – Poland’s economy is growing rapidly and on a purchasing parity basis its per capita GDP is up from UDS10k to USD27k.
I am not sure what the GDP point is supposed to mean. Sure, the UK as the fifth biggest economy in the world has a higher GDP than most countries in the EU. It will fall to seventh this year as India and France overtake us. The point remainers make about relative GDP is that with the UK a member, the EU is the richest single market in the world and only behind China and India in population. The EU has negotiated a trade deal with Japan. Would the UK get a better deal? This seems unlikely. It is like your local Tesco thinking that it can leave that company and get better terms from its suppliers.
The point about immigration and infrastructure identifies the problem, but not necessarily the underlying cause. Underinvestment in training doctors and nurses, in building houses, in education and a host of other issues created the problem. As pointed out elsewhere, EU immigrants tend to be young, work and pay taxes. They often work in jobs that indigenous people either don’t want to or can’t do. We have record levels of employment and practically no unemployment – generally, if you want a job, you can find one. Without EU migration jobs won’t get done – harvesting crops, treating sick people, staffing hotels and caring for the elderly. Actually, those jobs will get done, but by immigration from the rest of the world – mainly the sub-continent and other parts of Asia. Latest immigration numbers show the numbers coming to the UK at the same levels, but net leaving the UK by EU citizens. Brexit does not mean fewer migrants, it means different ones. We can already control migration from the rest of the world and don’t.
I agree with Bobby47 that we are unlikely to starve with no deal (though there will be shortages and the 3.5m people relying on foodbanks might struggle) and no-one talks about problems flying over European airspace (the issue is landing rights). The EU will allow us to have some of these rights – but to their benefit and in their control. We cease to be an equal partner and will be a supplicant if there is no deal.
If there is a deal, there are another 7 to 10 years of this as we negotiate trade deals just to get back to where we are today. The EU has 40 trade deals with 71 countries. We have managed to get one of those rolled over (with the Faeroe Islands) and are close to getting another 2 signed up (Israel and Switzerland). The other 68 country deals cease whether we leave with a deal or not.
Brexit is like a religion to some people. They believe despite the evidence to the contrary. The problems that will happen in the event of a no deal have been logically and sanely thought through. They will only be mitigated if the EU’s self-interest happens to help us out as well.
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Post by FASH on Feb 8, 2019 12:27:45 GMT
I thought you were complaining about how much a drain on the system taking in 1,000,000 OAPs would be. I was just putting your mind to rest. My mistake. If they're kicked out of their homes and made to come back then they will be a drain on the system, but it's not their fault. I agree it would be a drain on the system but there is a 0% chance of them getting kicked out of their homes and sent packing. It would be disastrous for all sides. |
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Post by Skomer on Feb 8, 2019 12:30:30 GMT
So yet another thing that didn't happen. You're a serial liar @jammo Shredded Wheat is tasty. See, I am a cereal liar! |
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Post by changeabull on Feb 8, 2019 12:31:43 GMT
That's a rubbish metaphor. I'd say Brexit is more like Manchester United announced they're quitting the Premiership to join a World League. The other clubs may kick up a fuss and try to claim they can survive but deep down they know that without Man United, the Premiership's their finances, marketability and global reputation is seriously diminished. Man United, being a global brand and financial giant know that they are much bigger than the Premier League and, set free of its financial constraints and legal restrictions can do much better if it goes it alone. I'd agree with your metaphor if the U.K. were Manchester United. Sadly, we're not. Not even close. Substitute Leicester City or Burnley and see how well your analogy stands up. So who is the Manchester United of the EU then? I can't think of any other EU country that comes close to the UK in terms of cultural, historical and economic significance on the global stage. |
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Post by colebridgebull on Feb 8, 2019 12:45:46 GMT
France and Spain -culture
Italy, Greece -history
Germany and France- economy
Brexit and the so called leadership of this country has damaged this country irreparably on the world stage.
Cameron's legacy. Utterly heartbreaking.
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Post by glawsterwhite on Feb 8, 2019 14:08:12 GMT
Totally agree ! Cameron will go down in political history as the arse that f**** up Britain. A few years from now hardly anyone other than the hard right “we won the war and have an empire” nutters will admit to voting leave ...
ignorance rules ok ...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 14:16:26 GMT
No otherwise I would have reported them. I think you know though that people post on here with 2 accounts. Maybe that happens a lot less now but I would imagine many of them are still active. Its just funny how many messages in the past have come from people with only 2-3 posts to their name. So your "only point" against me (and presumably the rest of the Moderating team (save-gasp-that we took the trouble to meet up prior to taking this madhouse on as we needed to be sure we could trust each other))is something that has never actually happened? Just so I can be clear on this. That must have been a really fun meet up. Everyone having to clarify that they're really left wing and having to swear on the book of Jezza. |
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Post by FASH on Feb 8, 2019 14:30:47 GMT
They all seem like Blairites to me.
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Post by Skomer on Feb 8, 2019 14:38:14 GMT
Further to my last post, the FT is now reporting that the Japan-UK trade talks are stalled. Japan has agreed that the UK can roll over the EU-Japan trade deal during the transition period - if no deal, we have no deal with Japan. Tokyo reports that it is confident that it can get better terms from the UK than it did from the "much larger EU". www.ft.com/content/5ce60af2-2b90-11e9-a5ab-ff8ef2b976c7 |
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Post by colebridgebull on Feb 8, 2019 14:41:32 GMT
So your "only point" against me (and presumably the rest of the Moderating team (save-gasp-that we took the trouble to meet up prior to taking this madhouse on as we needed to be sure we could trust each other))is something that has never actually happened? Just so I can be clear on this. That must have been a really fun meet up. Everyone having to clarify that they're really left wing and having to swear on the book of Jezza. Yes. Exactly how it was. In your fevered dreams. Now. Are you going to ignore the humongous contradictions in your recent posts, or can we just agree that you're a bit of a fibber? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 15:06:57 GMT
That must have been a really fun meet up. Everyone having to clarify that they're really left wing and having to swear on the book of Jezza. Yes. Exactly how it was. In your fevered dreams. Now. Are you going to ignore the humongous contradictions in your recent posts, or can we just agree that you're a bit of a fibber? You are a very odd person it has to be said. I think maybe I'll do what others have done and reign in on my posting until some one normal can take over the running of this forum. Some of ways you come out with your posts is nothing short of cringeworthy. |
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Post by lexington on Feb 8, 2019 15:16:11 GMT
Let's hope that come March 29th, this thread will be put to bed. But I've a horrible feeling it'll be the gift that keeps on giving.
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Post by changeabull on Feb 8, 2019 15:18:49 GMT
France and Spain -culture Italy, Greece -history Germany and France- economy Brexit and the so called leadership of this country has damaged this country irreparably on the world stage. Cameron's legacy. Utterly heartbreaking. I mean when you add culture, history and economical strength together, not when you take each category separately. For example Greece may have a fair bit of history but economically it's a basket case that has had to be bailed out by the EU repeatedly. So my point remains that I'd you add culture, history and economic significance together the UK is the Manchester United of the EU. Yes,I take your point that the inept way the government has handled Brexit has damaged our global reputation but that doesn't mean that leaving the EU was a bad idea. As Gigabytes says, we'll have to wait till we actually leave to find that out. |
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