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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 18:41:45 GMT
Would you care to elaborate, and furthermore explain where the "poor person", "unemployed" and "crumbling down house" elements of your post came from?
I learned a long time ago not to question bods who'd been to (so called) universities. I tend just to doff my cap and accept that they will always be better than the likes of us.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 18:51:54 GMT
Just have images of monkey tennis pointing at a poor person who's been unemployed for 10 years and living in a crumbling down house saying "You so stupid!" This is a rather strange retort, Jammo. Would you care to elaborate, and furthermore explain where the "poor person", "unemployed" and "crumbling down house" elements of your post came from? Some one said poor people voted for Brexit and you claimed people are too stupid to be trusted on such matters. It is quite an irony I think that Labour relies a great deal on poorer families from working class backgrounds and yet behind the scenes the Labour elite think they're all a bunch of idiots. I'm reminded of the time just after the Brexit vote that a girl on facebook claimed that she now wouldn't be able to go to Australia to study abroad because of idiots who voted leave. There are idiots on both sides but as a whole the majority of people know what they are doing and will not be manipulated into doing things. I do think though that it is rather amusing to see you or anyone else on here to claim intellectual superiority over anyone else. Let's be fair, if anyone on here was a genius and earning 100k+ a year salary they wouldn't spend their time p1ssing about on a football forum. I just happen to think that those on here who claim to be clever are often conceited and actually appear to have fairly average brain capacity. |
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Post by colebridgebull on Jan 16, 2019 19:16:59 GMT
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Post by Peroni on Jan 16, 2019 19:38:04 GMT
heard a whisper that Mrs may about to resign, been head hunted by marco, to be in charge of negotiating transfer fees for players in and out
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Post by timmeee on Jan 16, 2019 19:42:26 GMT
There are idiots on both sides but as a whole the majority of people know what they are doing and will not be manipulated into doing things. This is it really. Wherever there are people, there are idiots. But as you say most people are able to make up their own minds. I think that had we have called a Brexit referendum and gone to the polls the day after without any campaigning, we would have had a similar result. I don’t think there were enough ‘floating voters’ to have made a difference to the result. This time last year I was amazed at the number of people who seemed to think Brexit had already happened! |
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Post by Monkey Tennis on Jan 16, 2019 19:43:06 GMT
This is a rather strange retort, Jammo. Would you care to elaborate, and furthermore explain where the "poor person", "unemployed" and "crumbling down house" elements of your post came from? Some one said poor people voted for Brexit and you claimed people are too stupid to be trusted on such matters. It is quite an irony I think that Labour relies a great deal on poorer families from working class backgrounds and yet behind the scenes the Labour elite think they're all a bunch of idiots. I'm reminded of the time just after the Brexit vote that a girl on facebook claimed that she now wouldn't be able to go to Australia to study abroad because of idiots who voted leave. There are idiots on both sides but as a whole the majority of people know what they are doing and will not be manipulated into doing things. I do think though that it is rather amusing to see you or anyone else on here to claim intellectual superiority over anyone else. Let's be fair, if anyone on here was a genius and earning 100k+ a year salary they wouldn't spend their time p1ssing about on a football forum. I just happen to think that those on here who claim to be clever are often conceited and actually appear to have fairly average brain capacity. I see. Firstly, "some one (sic) said...". Who? Secondly, "people are too stupid to be trusted on such matters". I actually said "The population as a whole isn't bright enough to be trusted on such matters", and I stand by that. The ramifications of this Brexit thing are rather complicated, do you not agree? Buggered if I understand it all. Do you? Really? Thirdly, you bring the Labour Party into your reply (to me). Why, exactly? Do you believe I am a supporter of the Labour Party? Does everyone have to be a supporter of a political party, in your world? I find this part of your post presumptive, and strange. Fourthly, (and I'll ignore the Facebook anecdote in a bid to allow your reply at least some credibility), you accept that there are "idiots on both sides" (your words). Yes I agree, but.. Fifthly, you go on to say "as a whole the majority of people know what they are doing and will not be manipulated into doing things." In the context of Brexit, I'm not sure either of these points are true. You ok with that? And sixthly; where have I claimed intellectual superiority? Go on, where? For the record (as it seems to be the order of the day) I voted........ I didn't vote. I didn't know what to do. Stupid, eh? |
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Post by timmeee on Jan 16, 2019 19:45:14 GMT
heard a whisper that Mrs may about to resign, been head hunted by marco, to be in charge of negotiating transfer fees for players in and out I saw that too - it’s running along the bottom of the screen on the Sky Sports News Channel. |
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Post by Barney still in B-Block on Jan 16, 2019 19:45:44 GMT
This is a rather strange retort, Jammo. Would you care to elaborate, and furthermore explain where the "poor person", "unemployed" and "crumbling down house" elements of your post came from? Some one said poor people voted for Brexit and you claimed people are too stupid to be trusted on such matters. It is quite an irony I think that Labour relies a great deal on poorer families from working class backgrounds and yet behind the scenes the Labour elite think they're all a bunch of idiots. I'm reminded of the time just after the Brexit vote that a girl on facebook claimed that she now wouldn't be able to go to Australia to study abroad because of idiots who voted leave. There are idiots on both sides but as a whole the majority of people know what they are doing and will not be manipulated into doing things. I do think though that it is rather amusing to see you or anyone else on here to claim intellectual superiority over anyone else. Let's be fair, if anyone on here was a genius and earning 100k+ a year salary they wouldn't spend their time p1ssing about on a football forum. I just happen to think that those on here who claim to be clever are often conceited and actually appear to have fairly average brain capacity. Aye mate, all as thick as pig-sh1t. Crucially though, most of us know that Corbyn and Cable are actually different people. |
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Post by Palms Halt on Jan 16, 2019 20:08:49 GMT
Considering that kind of thing occurs in the most deprived areas, it's probably not the side that you're trying to imply it would be I love it! So the general theme I'm hearing here is "stupid" and "poor." Pretty much the whole Labour party strategy these past 20 years. You might be stupid and poor but trust us to do what is best for you. I'm not too sure though that the Brexit vote was as clear cut as rich vs poor anyway given that more Labour constituencies voted to remain than to leave. You love twisting people’s words? Ok. I simply stated that that it’s a fact that crime occurs far more often in deprived areas. Ignore that all you want. I guess if it’s good enough for the Tory party to that, it’s good enough for you |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 20:12:42 GMT
Some one said poor people voted for Brexit and you claimed people are too stupid to be trusted on such matters. It is quite an irony I think that Labour relies a great deal on poorer families from working class backgrounds and yet behind the scenes the Labour elite think they're all a bunch of idiots. I'm reminded of the time just after the Brexit vote that a girl on facebook claimed that she now wouldn't be able to go to Australia to study abroad because of idiots who voted leave. There are idiots on both sides but as a whole the majority of people know what they are doing and will not be manipulated into doing things. I do think though that it is rather amusing to see you or anyone else on here to claim intellectual superiority over anyone else. Let's be fair, if anyone on here was a genius and earning 100k+ a year salary they wouldn't spend their time p1ssing about on a football forum. I just happen to think that those on here who claim to be clever are often conceited and actually appear to have fairly average brain capacity. I see. Firstly, "some one (sic) said...". Who? Secondly, "people are too stupid to be trusted on such matters". I actually said "The population as a whole isn't bright enough to be trusted on such matters", and I stand by that. The ramifications of this Brexit thing are rather complicated, do you not agree? Buggered if I understand it all. Do you? Really? Thirdly, you bring the Labour Party into your reply (to me). Why, exactly? Do you believe I am a supporter of the Labour Party? Does everyone have to be a supporter of a political party, in your world? I find this part of your post presumptive, and strange. Fourthly, (and I'll ignore the Facebook anecdote in a bid to allow your reply at least some credibility), you accept that there are "idiots on both sides" (your words). Yes I agree, but.. Fifthly, you go on to say "as a whole the majority of people know what they are doing and will not be manipulated into doing things." In the context of Brexit, I'm not sure either of these points are true. You ok with that? And sixthly; where have I claimed intellectual superiority? Go on, where? For the record (as it seems to be the order of the day) I voted........ I didn't vote. I didn't know what to do. Stupid, eh? But given that we voted ourselves in 40 years ago shouldn't we have been given the opportunity to vote ourselves back out? I think if you'd you didn't vote and that you couldn't be trusted to make a good decision then I'd have had more respect for your post. To me it sounded as if you were looking down on everyone else like a few others do on here which is why I made the points that I did. But I do think that even some one who is rather lacking in intelligence can tell whether they're being screwed by some one or not. The people who had the lowest level of knowledge on the issue probably didn't even vote because they didn't care or even pretend to understand. Overall though I've never come across any people in Hereford that I know who weren't able to express a legitimate concern about our involvement in the European Union. I think like a lot of people you underestimate the British electorate. If they can't vote in something important as this then why even bother letting them vote on anything? Or maybe we should just go back to the days where only the toffs and their big chums could vote their best mates in. |
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Post by changeabull on Jan 16, 2019 20:28:31 GMT
heard a whisper that Mrs may about to resign, been head hunted by marco, to be in charge of negotiating transfer fees for players in and out Has she played for Nuneaton, Gloucester or Newport? |
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Post by colebridgebull on Jan 16, 2019 20:28:52 GMT
That's all very well.
It was of course the Allies who saw off the Germans in WW2. And the decision by the Germans to try and take on the Russians having driven British forces out of France.
Britain categorically did not win WW2, although the country was a significant part of the "winning team". Alongside many other countries without whom etc etc.
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Post by Monkey Tennis on Jan 16, 2019 20:32:27 GMT
I see. Firstly, "some one (sic) said...". Who? Secondly, "people are too stupid to be trusted on such matters". I actually said "The population as a whole isn't bright enough to be trusted on such matters", and I stand by that. The ramifications of this Brexit thing are rather complicated, do you not agree? Buggered if I understand it all. Do you? Really? Thirdly, you bring the Labour Party into your reply (to me). Why, exactly? Do you believe I am a supporter of the Labour Party? Does everyone have to be a supporter of a political party, in your world? I find this part of your post presumptive, and strange. Fourthly, (and I'll ignore the Facebook anecdote in a bid to allow your reply at least some credibility), you accept that there are "idiots on both sides" (your words). Yes I agree, but.. Fifthly, you go on to say "as a whole the majority of people know what they are doing and will not be manipulated into doing things." In the context of Brexit, I'm not sure either of these points are true. You ok with that? And sixthly; where have I claimed intellectual superiority? Go on, where? For the record (as it seems to be the order of the day) I voted........ I didn't vote. I didn't know what to do. Stupid, eh? But given that we voted ourselves in 40 years ago shouldn't we have been given the opportunity to vote ourselves back out? I think if you'd you didn't vote and that you couldn't be trusted to make a good decision then I'd have had more respect for your post. To me it sounded as if you were looking down on everyone else like a few others do on here which is why I made the points that I did. But I do think that even some one who is rather lacking in intelligence can tell whether they're being screwed by some one or not. The people who had the lowest level of knowledge on the issue probably didn't even vote because they didn't care or even pretend to understand. Overall though I've never come across any people in Hereford that I know who weren't able to express a legitimate concern about our involvement in the European Union. I think like a lot of people you underestimate the British electorate. If they can't vote in something important as this then why even bother letting them vote on anything? Or maybe we should just go back to the days where only the toffs and their big chums could vote their best mates in. And thereby lies the problem, Jammo; "I think that" + ill-conceived perceptions = nonsense. Bit like Brexit, really. |
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Post by Monkey Tennis on Jan 16, 2019 20:35:51 GMT
And still the turmoil continues. I blame the French. Who wouldn’t? The French and their French speaking allies, who’ve never quite recovered from the shame they continue to carry about following the early capitulation during the Second World War, can never quite come to terms with their shame and the debt they owe to Britain. It’s really not such a stupid statement to make. Old historical wounds of bitter shame last a very long time and can and do have an impact upon our political lives today. For the French, ‘‘tis easier to forgive their conqueror Germany than it is to forgive their liberator Britain’ Quite simply the French hate the notion that Britain and their Commonwealth allies played a major role in their liberation,and for them, Brexit, is their opportunity to hurt Britain. Be under no illusions, whichever side of the argument you occupy, be cognisant of one single sure thing. Those of France, Belgium and Luxembourg are not our friends. Many of them despise the rich history of the British. The old and disgraced French military doctrine, the very same one that still exists today and now yearns to run an EU army, one of defend, retreat, capitulate, desert, surrender and then collaborate with their enemy is their national septic boil that will not heal and scab over. Worse for the French to bear is that Britain was the choice destination of their national hero Charles De Gaulle who fled his homeland because his own people sentenced him to death because he refused to accept surrender. All of this history is deeply embedded into the psyche of the hierarchy of the French establishment and their ruling elite and this is one reason why we are where we are in our dealings with the EU. They are not our friends and we’d do well to realise that the French want to see our country ruined! Oh ffs there's another one.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 21:21:03 GMT
And still the turmoil continues. I blame the French. Who wouldn’t? The French and their French speaking allies, who’ve never quite recovered from the shame they continue to carry about following the early capitulation during the Second World War, can never quite come to terms with their shame and the debt they owe to Britain. It’s really not such a stupid statement to make. Old historical wounds of bitter shame last a very long time and can and do have an impact upon our political lives today. For the French, ‘‘tis easier to forgive their conqueror Germany than it is to forgive their liberator Britain’ Quite simply the French hate the notion that Britain and their Commonwealth allies played a major role in their liberation,and for them, Brexit, is their opportunity to hurt Britain. Be under no illusions, whichever side of the argument you occupy, be cognisant of one single sure thing. Those of France, Belgium and Luxembourg are not our friends. Many of them despise the rich history of the British. The old and disgraced French military doctrine, the very same one that still exists today and now yearns to run an EU army, one of defend, retreat, capitulate, desert, surrender and then collaborate with their enemy is their national septic boil that will not heal and scab over. Worse for the French to bear is that Britain was the choice destination of their national hero Charles De Gaulle who fled his homeland because his own people sentenced him to death because he refused to accept surrender. All of this history is deeply embedded into the psyche of the hierarchy of the French establishment and their ruling elite and this is one reason why we are where we are in our dealings with the EU. They are not our friends and we’d do well to realise that the French want to see our country ruined! FFS Bobby, move on for gods sake. This post is an embarassment. Stuck in the ancient past. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 21:56:30 GMT
Tony, and my warmest regards to you. And there’s plenty more where that lot came from.as well! I'm all ears Bobby.. |
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Post by Palms Halt on Jan 16, 2019 22:21:59 GMT
And still the turmoil continues. I blame the French. Who wouldn’t? The French and their French speaking allies, who’ve never quite recovered from the shame they continue to carry about following the early capitulation during the Second World War, can never quite come to terms with their shame and the debt they owe to Britain. It’s really not such a stupid statement to make. Old historical wounds of bitter shame last a very long time and can and do have an impact upon our political lives today. For the French, ‘‘tis easier to forgive their conqueror Germany than it is to forgive their liberator Britain’ Quite simply the French hate the notion that Britain and their Commonwealth allies played a major role in their liberation,and for them, Brexit, is their opportunity to hurt Britain. Be under no illusions, whichever side of the argument you occupy, be cognisant of one single sure thing. Those of France, Belgium and Luxembourg are not our friends. Many of them despise the rich history of the British. The old and disgraced French military doctrine, the very same one that still exists today and now yearns to run an EU army, one of defend, retreat, capitulate, desert, surrender and then collaborate with their enemy is their national septic boil that will not heal and scab over. Worse for the French to bear is that Britain was the choice destination of their national hero Charles De Gaulle who fled his homeland because his own people sentenced him to death because he refused to accept surrender. All of this history is deeply embedded into the psyche of the hierarchy of the French establishment and their ruling elite and this is one reason why we are where we are in our dealings with the EU. They are not our friends and we’d do well to realise that the French want to see our country ruined! Hardly anybody under 40 gives a monkeys about all that. We live in a different world, that is constantly changing. The way you speak is as though no progress has been made in 70 years |
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Post by youngsalmon on Jan 17, 2019 1:34:38 GMT
I lay in bed in 1975 and my mother shouted to me to ask if I was going to vote in the referendum to join the EEC (now the EU).
Without getting out of bed, I replied, "can't be bothered", so she rang my father at work and summoned me to speak to him on the phone.
"I think you should vote in the referendum, it's YOUR future, Henry", he said. He often got my name wrong.
I pointed out that I was 18 and knew nothing about the EEC and would subsequently be subverting democracy. Secretly I couldn't be bothered, either.
Why do I tell this essentially personal story ?
Well my father was in his 60s and he had the foresight to recognise that voting in the referendum should be more than personal gain, personal circumstance. It was too important for that. And young people had to live with the result.
For the avoidance of doubt I voted to join the EEC, knowing little about it (like everybody else, but nothing ventured nothing gained) and all things being equal never doubted it was the right decision. For the avoidance of doubt I voted remain.
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Post by singe on Jan 17, 2019 7:23:40 GMT
And still the turmoil continues. I blame the French. Who wouldn’t? The French and their French speaking allies, who’ve never quite recovered from the shame they continue to carry about following the early capitulation during the Second World War, can never quite come to terms with their shame and the debt they owe to Britain. It’s really not such a stupid statement to make. Old historical wounds of bitter shame last a very long time and can and do have an impact upon our political lives today. For the French, ‘‘tis easier to forgive their conqueror Germany than it is to forgive their liberator Britain’ Quite simply the French hate the notion that Britain and their Commonwealth allies played a major role in their liberation,and for them, Brexit, is their opportunity to hurt Britain. Be under no illusions, whichever side of the argument you occupy, be cognisant of one single sure thing. Those of France, Belgium and Luxembourg are not our friends. Many of them despise the rich history of the British. The old and disgraced French military doctrine, the very same one that still exists today and now yearns to run an EU army, one of defend, retreat, capitulate, desert, surrender and then collaborate with their enemy is their national septic boil that will not heal and scab over. Worse for the French to bear is that Britain was the choice destination of their national hero Charles De Gaulle who fled his homeland because his own people sentenced him to death because he refused to accept surrender. All of this history is deeply embedded into the psyche of the hierarchy of the French establishment and their ruling elite and this is one reason why we are where we are in our dealings with the EU. They are not our friends and we’d do well to realise that the French want to see our country ruined! Probably with worst post on this forum ever - and that's saying something. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 8:05:48 GMT
Yes, and you need to reflect upon the fact that some of us have been banned from this forum because we are supposedly racists.
It depends what race you are imagining to be impugned, I guess, hey, moderators?
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