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Post by Barney still in B-Block on Jan 14, 2019 19:21:50 GMT
Which is the difficulty with the current situation. A binary choice was given. Between Leave and Remain. If you voted to Remain you knew what you were voting for. If you voted to Leave, you voted for any one of a number of scenarios. Certain leading lights of the Leave campaign made it clear that "no-one was suggesting leaving the single market" for instance. Even now, with time rapidly running out, no-one knows. May's agreement is simply a withdrawal agreement. There is nothing on the table to cover the future relationship. Current transition agreement posited by May maintains the status quo potentially indefinitely (it'll only come to an end when that pesky Irish Border issue is resolved). Until then, the U.K will agree to become a vassal state. All the commitments with no say. The biggest giving away of control and sovereignty in history. So. No Deal? Are you feeling lucky? Well, are you? (We're the punks in that reference FWIW) Popcorn 🍿 anyone? Yes CB, but according to Mrs May today, to not deliver Brexit would be to subvert democracy. That there was absolutely zero meat on the Brexit bone actually voted on wasn’t discussed. Neither was whether clinging to power by bribing the DUP with taxpayers money was in any way also subverting democracy. Shameless hypocrisy. |
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Post by Incognito on Jan 14, 2019 20:16:37 GMT
Which is the difficulty with the current situation. A binary choice was given. Between Leave and Remain. If you voted to Remain you knew what you were voting for. If you voted to Leave, you voted for any one of a number of scenarios. Certain leading lights of the Leave campaign made it clear that "no-one was suggesting leaving the single market" for instance. Even now, with time rapidly running out, no-one knows. May's agreement is simply a withdrawal agreement. There is nothing on the table to cover the future relationship. Current transition agreement posited by May maintains the status quo potentially indefinitely (it'll only come to an end when that pesky Irish Border issue is resolved). Until then, the U.K will agree to become a vassal state. All the commitments with no say. The biggest giving away of control and sovereignty in history. So. No Deal? Are you feeling lucky? Well, are you? (We're the punks in that reference FWIW) Popcorn 🍿 anyone? No, at the time we voted to leave based on NO DEAL. The scenarios to which you refer have been hatched by the fudgers and bodgers since the referendum. We now have a situation where it is proposed to agree to pay a hefty sum to The EU to get out without actually knowing what we might get in return. FFS, if you wanted to move house would you agree a price with an estate agent first and then rely on someone else to find the property regardless of value? Two years wasted in which we should have been doing the dictating instead of begging. |
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Post by Palms Halt on Jan 14, 2019 20:22:02 GMT
No, at the time we voted to leave based on NO DEAL. You can’t say that and know with any degree of confidence that it’s true. That’s the difference between the 17 million who voted to leave and the 17 million who voted to remain. The later knew exactly what they were getting. The former wanted all sorts of combinations of unicorns and rainbows that they were told the EU would feed them with a spoon by bullshitting politicians who saw an opportunity to get one over on their colleagues and have a sniff of power |
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Post by Incognito on Jan 14, 2019 20:24:05 GMT
But there was NO DEAL.
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Post by colebridgebull on Jan 14, 2019 20:29:54 GMT
I think you're trolling here.
You're not that obtuse.
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Post by Palms Halt on Jan 14, 2019 20:45:45 GMT
Obviously. People were told we’d get whatever deal we wanted. May as we’ll have told people that Angela Merkel would let you snort Colombian marching powder from her ass crack if we asked her to and it would’ve secured the votes of at least a few thousand gullible people. Put it across the side of a bus and youcould double that. People voted leave for loads of reasons, but a no deal brexit wouldn’t have been top of the list of what people hoped for by any stretch of the imagination |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 20:55:58 GMT
No, at the time we voted to leave based on NO DEAL. You can’t say that and know with any degree of confidence that it’s true. That’s the difference between the 17 million who voted to leave and the 17 million who voted to remain. The later knew exactly what they were getting. The former wanted all sorts of combinations of unicorns and rainbows that they were told the EU would feed them with a spoon by bull#@&tting politicians who saw an opportunity to get one over on their colleagues and have a sniff of power Leave him alone and stop being mean. He has demonstrated on many threads that he has Stockholm Syndrome from when he was held hostage by the Gangstas. It is sadly affecting his views on everyday stuff now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 20:56:58 GMT
Some politicians told big lies and a lot of people believed them and cast their votes accordingly.
It has ever been thus.
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Post by Palms Halt on Jan 14, 2019 21:00:23 GMT
You can’t say that and know with any degree of confidence that it’s true. That’s the difference between the 17 million who voted to leave and the 17 million who voted to remain. The later knew exactly what they were getting. The former wanted all sorts of combinations of unicorns and rainbows that they were told the EU would feed them with a spoon by bull#@&tting politicians who saw an opportunity to get one over on their colleagues and have a sniff of power Leave him alone and stop being mean. He has demonstrated on many threads that he has Stockholm Syndrome from when he was held hostage by the Gangstas. It is sadly affecting his views on everyday stuff now. Unnecessary. |
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Post by singe on Jan 14, 2019 21:04:37 GMT
Yes, has been for a long time. Absolutely - let himself down, let his party down, let his country down.. Not really. Doing all that he can, given the situation he is in. Decent man in a house full (almost) of scoundrels. What has he ever done as an MP in the stupid amount of years he's been one. I'm surprised that in the last 6 months we haven't heard Corbyn come out with "I do have a jewish friend you know!" Ghandi Peace Award for his efforts for social justice and promotion of non-violence. One of few signatories of letter to then Labour leader Miliband to ensure an end to austerity. Stick up for rights of Palestinians whose rights have largely been ignored and trashed in recent years. Stick up for justice in Ireland for decades - see especially support for Guildford Four and Birmingham Six Recipient of Sean MacBride prize for nuclear disarmament and promotion of peace. On committee for 'Stop the War' campaign. Recipient of a letter from numerous high profile Jewish people acknowledging he isn't anti-semitic. ....and much more, they are just off the top of my head. In short, he's done plenty. Probably much more than your average 'toff' on the blue side of the house. Despite above, his performance over Brexit has been disappointing. He should have adopted an anti-Brexit/2nd referendum stance a long time ago. |
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Post by lazarus on Jan 14, 2019 22:12:43 GMT
No, at the time we voted to leave based on NO DEAL. You can’t say that and know with any degree of confidence that it’s true. That’s the difference between the 17 million who voted to leave and the 17 million who voted to remain. The later knew exactly what they were getting. The former wanted all sorts of combinations of unicorns and rainbows that they were told the EU would feed them with a spoon by bull#@&tting politicians who saw an opportunity to get one over on their colleagues and have a sniff of power The votes were not equal and the vote to leave won under our democratic system. Those that voted to remain did not know what they were getting as it would mean accepting the unstoppable march to a Federal Europe and not just keeping the status quo. |
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Post by colebridgebull on Jan 14, 2019 22:23:10 GMT
Evening excitable.
Couldn't keep away then.
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Post by sillymeadows on Jan 14, 2019 22:33:37 GMT
No, at the time we voted to leave based on NO DEAL. You can’t say that and know with any degree of confidence that it’s true. That’s the difference between the 17 million who voted to leave and the 17 million who voted to remain. The later knew exactly what they were getting. The former wanted all sorts of combinations of unicorns and rainbows that they were told the EU would feed them with a spoon by bull#@&tting politicians who saw an opportunity to get one over on their colleagues and have a sniff of power I love the way remainers insist it was a 50-50 vote. It wasn't nearly 1.2 million people more voted to leave that's a lot of people |
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Post by colebridgebull on Jan 14, 2019 23:01:33 GMT
You'd think that just one of them might have some idea how to do it though.
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Post by Gresty on Jan 14, 2019 23:56:08 GMT
Well, if the arch tw*t Cameron hadn't been such a tw*t in the first place, none of this would be happening now.
I wonder if there are any lawyers out there who could make a case for an act of treason having been committed.
Over to you, cb.
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Post by Incognito on Jan 15, 2019 10:13:16 GMT
Obviously. People were told we’d get whatever deal we wanted. May as we’ll have told people that Angela Merkel would let you snort Colombian marching powder from her ass crack if we asked her to and it would’ve secured the votes of at least a few thousand gullible people. Put it across the side of a bus and youcould double that. People voted leave for loads of reasons, but a no deal brexit wouldn’t have been top of the list of what people hoped for by any stretch of the imagination So why, during the debates in the run-up to the 2016, was there so much discussion about negotiating trade agreements with individual countries? I recall politicians from all sides stating that it could take two years to complete said negotiations. |
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Post by Palms Halt on Jan 15, 2019 10:20:32 GMT
Obviously. People were told we’d get whatever deal we wanted. May as we’ll have told people that Angela Merkel would let you snort Colombian marching powder from her ass crack if we asked her to and it would’ve secured the votes of at least a few thousand gullible people. Put it across the side of a bus and youcould double that. People voted leave for loads of reasons, but a no deal brexit wouldn’t have been top of the list of what people hoped for by any stretch of the imagination So why, during the debates in the run-up to the 2016, was there so much discussion about negotiating trade agreements with individual countries? I recall politicians from all sides stating that it could take two years to complete said negotiations. Feck knows mate. You know we can't negotiate with individual EU countries though? So we need some form of deal with the EU as a whole? |
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Post by somnambulist on Jan 15, 2019 10:22:12 GMT
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Post by Incognito on Jan 15, 2019 10:44:44 GMT
So why, during the debates in the run-up to the 2016, was there so much discussion about negotiating trade agreements with individual countries? I recall politicians from all sides stating that it could take two years to complete said negotiations. Feck knows mate. You know we can't negotiate with individual EU countries though? So we need some form of deal with the EU as a whole? I recently read somewhere that six out of the top ten trading EU countries trade under WTO rules. Also, Canada have a free trade agreement with the EU. Can't be that difficult? |
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Post by Palms Halt on Jan 15, 2019 11:15:32 GMT
Feck knows mate. You know we can't negotiate with individual EU countries though? So we need some form of deal with the EU as a whole? I recently read somewhere that six out of the top ten trading EU countries trade under WTO rules. Also, Canada have a free trade agreement with the EU. Can't be that difficult? Can't be that easy can it else we'd just be doing it? One of the politicians who told us we could have all the things that made Brexit sound so attractive to many voters would be stepping up and sorting it all out. They'd look like a hero if it wasn't that difficult, but they're all sat back and letting a remainer make a massive hash of it. Why are they doing that? |
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