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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 13:47:55 GMT
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Post by sillymeadows on Oct 20, 2018 13:56:45 GMT
We did try and take control from clueless politicians that’s why 52% voted leave they were fed up with the establishment, but those clueless politicians are still holding on and can’t even carry out a simple move like brexit, crash out with no deal is the only way, we might suffer a a bit of a hit at first but then we will prove that we are the most intuitive nation in Europe as we always have been and history has proved. We need a fresh start
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Post by colebridgebull on Oct 20, 2018 14:13:16 GMT
Can you let the "clueless politicians" know how it's done then please. Obviously by your post it's incredibly straightforward.
If you could ensure that the Good Friday Agreement is respected, that no jobs are lost, that trade deals are in place to replace all those that will cease and the country is united that should be sufficient.
Incidentally, taking back control related to borders and laws (not "clueless politicians" because by voting to leave, you and others handed all this to them to sort). (We always have had control of laws and borders so don't let that meaningless soundbite distract you).
Those who voted to remain did so with some insight of what an impossible task this was going to be. Those who voted to leave really need to step up and take ownership of the whole thing. You must have known what a complex problem this was going to be, and have had some inkling to go about it.
Surely...
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Post by ronnieclayton on Oct 20, 2018 14:17:25 GMT
We did try and take control from clueless politicians that’s why 52% voted leave they were fed up with the establishment, but those clueless politicians are still holding on and can’t even carry out a simple move like brexit, crash out with no deal is the only way, we might suffer a a bit of a hit at first but then we will prove that we are the most intuitive nation in Europe as we always have been and history has proved. We need a fresh start 52 percent of those who voted of course 37.4 per cent of the electorate voted to leave and are responsible for triggering this ludicrous state of affairs. Along with a load of people who couldn't be arsed.
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Post by ronnieclayton on Oct 20, 2018 14:28:42 GMT
Just over 26% of the total population voted to leave. Their decision was heavily influenced by a campaign of deceipt and ill informed speculation.
A signifcant proportion of them seem to have voted on the basis that they are not too keen on foreigners.
Still, that's democracy for you.
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Post by eggchaserbull on Oct 20, 2018 14:35:17 GMT
We did try and take control from clueless politicians that’s why 52% voted leave they were fed up with the establishment, but those clueless politicians are still holding on and can’t even carry out a simple move like brexit, crash out with no deal is the only way, we might suffer a a bit of a hit at first but then we will prove that we are the most intuitive nation in Europe as we always have been and history has proved. We need a fresh start Except in jest or wind up mode, I've always avoided denigrating leave voters However, if they really believed that it would be a simple process I need to change my stance. By the way, denigrate means to put-down.
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Post by murray jp1 on Oct 20, 2018 15:13:19 GMT
We did try and take control from clueless politicians that’s why 52% voted leave they were fed up with the establishment, but those clueless politicians are still holding on and can’t even carry out a simple move like brexit, crash out with no deal is the only way, we might suffer a a bit of a hit at first but then we will prove that we are the most intuitive nation in Europe as we always have been and history has proved. We need a fresh start Except in jest or wind up mode, I've always avoided denigrating leave voters However, if they really believed that it would be a simple process I need to change my stance. By the way, denigrate means to put-down. Racist!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 15:18:14 GMT
According to Sky:
In London 670,000.
In Harrogate, at the Leave Means Leave 1,200.
Sky have reported that Nigel Farage claimed “millions” of people were streaming the pro-Brexit events; however, on Twitter, 190 people are watching the Harrogate event, while there are 12,000 views on its Facebook stream.
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Post by colebridgebull on Oct 20, 2018 16:25:09 GMT
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Post by Barney still in B-Block on Oct 20, 2018 16:29:32 GMT
How did the margin compare with that of the last General Election?
That seemed a tight call. Should we have had a re-run of that as well?
Incidentally, I thought Alistair Campbell was properly ripped apart by Portillo last night
In the election folk were aware of what putting an X in a box meant. That was not the case in the referendum.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 16:45:26 GMT
We did try and take control from clueless politicians that’s why 52% voted leave they were fed up with the establishment, but those clueless politicians are still holding on and can’t even carry out a simple move like brexit, crash out with no deal is the only way, we might suffer a a bit of a hit at first but then we will prove that we are the most intuitive nation in Europe as we always have been and history has proved. We need a fresh start 52 percent of those who voted of course 37.4 per cent of the electorate voted to leave and are responsible for triggering this ludicrous state of affairs. Along with a load of people who couldn't be arsed. You know since 2010 I've heard this old chestnut bandied about over and over. Even in Tony Blair's landslide victory of 1997 less than 50% voted him in. You'd probably have to go back 200 years to find an example of an electoral victory where there was more than 50% of people voting for the same party. As for the protest, I would have thought might have been a better idea to have held in on a Wednesday or something when these lot had nothing else on.
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Post by mikeunderpenyard on Oct 20, 2018 16:49:10 GMT
What do you mean, a naked protest?
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Post by changeabull on Oct 20, 2018 16:57:09 GMT
According to Sky: In London 670,000. In Harrogate, at the Leave Means Leave 1,200. Sky have reported that Nigel Farage claimed “millions” of people were streaming the pro-Brexit events; however, on Twitter, 190 people are watching the Harrogate event, while there are 12,000 views on its Facebook stream. Hmm, 670,000 people marching, you claim? As the population of the UK is around 60 million that means only just over 1% of the population could be bothered to protest to demand yet another referendum. And of course that means 99% of people aren't bothered, have had enough referendums and just want the government to get on with leaving.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 17:00:01 GMT
I love how on the BBC there's a quote by some one who said that one steward had told them that there were around 670,000 people there. You know as if he's been like counting them through all by himself as they went by.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 17:00:29 GMT
Just over 26% of the total population voted to leave. Their decision was heavily influenced by a campaign of deceipt and ill informed speculation. A signifcant proportion of them seem to have voted on the basis that they are not too keen on foreigners. Still, that's democracy for you. Substitute 'free movement' for' not keen on foreigners'.
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Post by colebridgebull on Oct 20, 2018 17:14:03 GMT
One of the biggest lies peddled by Vote Leave was the concept that free movement equates to unlimited immigration. It doesn't and never has. www.europarl.europa.eu/factsheets/en/sheet/147/free-movement-of-personsOne quick Google is all anyone has ever needed. Just as an aside, I bet Dacre is turning puce with the subtle but gradual change of position by the Daily Mail. They don't like to back the losing side.
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Post by colebridgebull on Oct 20, 2018 17:15:16 GMT
I love how on the BBC there's a quote by some one who said that one steward had told them that there were around 670,000 people there. You know as if he's been like counting them through all by himself as they went by. 1200 in Harrogate. Bet that was easy.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 17:22:01 GMT
Hmm, 670,000 people marching, you claim?
Now being reported as 700K plus. But the OB have always been lying bstds so probably only 10,000.
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Post by somnambulist on Oct 20, 2018 18:00:13 GMT
I love how on the BBC there's a quote by some one who said that one steward had told them that there were around 670,000 people there. You know as if he's been like counting them through all by himself as they went by. It really doesn’t matter how many people were there. Three million marched against the war in Iraq. It didn’t do any good at all. I would caution against using the numbers to extrapolate the nation’s feelings on Brexit; a large march in the ‘remain’ dominated capital city, against a small Brexit demo in a Yorkshire seaside resort. This smacks of the kind of arrogance that got us into this shi*tstorm to start with. Now there’s a thought; suppose we had a “people’s vote” (God, that’s an awful name for it) and we got the same result? What would we do then? Why on earth did Cameron ever agree to this? It was never supposed to be about us, let alone democracy. It was done to sort out a recalcitrant element in his own party. Personally I have no idea what we need to do to sort out this mess.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 18:06:23 GMT
One of the biggest lies peddled by Vote Leave was the concept that free movement equates to unlimited immigration. It doesn't and never has. www.europarl.europa.eu/factsheets/en/sheet/147/free-movement-of-personsOne quick Google is all anyone has ever needed. Just as an aside, I bet Dacre is turning puce with the subtle but gradual change of position by the Daily Mail. They don't like to back the losing side. Add Acquired Rights and EU Citizenship to Freedom of Movement.
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