General Election

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Perhaps she's intelligent enough to know that it doesn't matter how a person speaks.

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I don't doubt her intelligence.

That said, presenting a political policy is usually best done with an element of polish.

Her diction comes across as lazy. If any of my grandchildren were being educated by someone who spoke in that way I would be less than happy.



Or is that standard of diction the way you see education going?

[bigglesbull]

WE'RE DOOMED!!!!!!!

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Looks increasingly that way.

A stupid referendum, followed by a stupid election.

[castlebull]

Jun 1, 2017 11:06:59 GMT @jammo said:

Jun 1, 2017 10:50:18 GMT castlebull said:

This again seems to highlight the fact that May's sole drum she's been banging the entire campaign is "vote for me because I'm not Labour".

I wonder if it's possible to make the case for voting Tory without mentioning the opposition...? Nobody seems to have man anger it yet - Teresa May included!

That's what every party does. All we've heard for about 7 years now is privatising the NHS. You couldn't make up a bigger lie than that. The Conservatives will tax low and spend low but they'll still prioritise the key areas. What they wont do is take a big risk and pretend like this is some small business that can just go bankrupt if things don't go to well. At least the Conservatives will attract investment and richer tax payers rather than scaring them away. People will often claim how terrible Thatcher was yet forget how bad the government before her was. Foreign investors will not stick around in a country where they think all their money will get stripped away from them. They have absolutely no reason to let this happen when there's so many other alternatives.

I'm not quite sure "that's what every party does".

Attacking policies would seem fair enough but attacking candidates on a personal level - particularly as your sole argument for attracting voters - to me indicates a recognition that said full costed party policies are generally much better than your own?

[colebridgebull]

Turn the question round a bit.

Lets assume that the Labour figures stack up ( most seem to agree that they largely do), what objection is there to the policies on schools, NHS, social care and public services that they propose.

And, as an aside, a follow up question, given that the Electoral Commission has disclosed that the Tories are receiving 10 times as much in donations in the lead up to the election than Labour, on what basis can it be argued that the mega rich are not trying to influence the outcome

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Jun 1, 2017 14:47:47 GMT castlebull said:

Jun 1, 2017 11:06:59 GMT @jammo said:

That's what every party does. All we've heard for about 7 years now is privatising the NHS. You couldn't make up a bigger lie than that. The Conservatives will tax low and spend low but they'll still prioritise the key areas. What they wont do is take a big risk and pretend like this is some small business that can just go bankrupt if things don't go to well. At least the Conservatives will attract investment and richer tax payers rather than scaring them away. People will often claim how terrible Thatcher was yet forget how bad the government before her was. Foreign investors will not stick around in a country where they think all their money will get stripped away from them. They have absolutely no reason to let this happen when there's so many other alternatives.

I'm not quite sure "that's what every party does".

Attacking policies would seem fair enough but attacking candidates on a personal level - particularly as your sole argument for attracting voters - to me indicates a recognition that said full costed party policies are generally much better than your own?

Oh jesus wept. In the words of John McEnroe you cannot be serious. Full costed? Don't make me laugh. If we're going to point to attacking people on a person level though this forum sums the Labour party up. Anything anti Corbyn is always met with booing or abuse. Any debate is a complete waste of time because it is drowned out with all manner of abuse because apparently anyone with an opposing view is too stupid to know what is right and wrong. I think this video posted today sums up what I'm talking about.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwUHQ9-ycvQ

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Jun 1, 2017 15:09:52 GMT colebridgebull said:

Turn the question round a bit.

Lets assume that the Labour figures stack up ( most seem to agree that they largely do), what objection is there to the policies on schools, NHS, social care and public services that they propose.

And, as an aside, a follow up question, given that the Electoral Commission has disclosed that the Tories are receiving 10 times as much in donations in the lead up to the election than Labour, on what basis can it be argued that the mega rich are not trying to influence the outcome

That is complete and utter rubbish. Probably the biggest lie you've ever told on this forum.

[colebridgebull]

Oh FFS.

Read the question.

"Let's assume that the Labour figures stack up"

Its not rocket science.

And you wonder why no-one engages with you.

[deadsetlegend]

Surely jammo its the duty of any government to look after the weakest in society. Even if you say austerity was necessary and a good thing do you not accept that it should have been shared around equally. Instead the Tories have repeatedly targeted the poorest and weakest with benefit cut after cut whilst at the same time giving tax breaks to the richest in society and turning a blind eye to tax avoidance. It is shameful and for that alone I say its time for a change.

[Incognito]

Jun 1, 2017 12:15:40 GMT Peroni said:

its like watching the longest rally in tennis history, but how on earth is jammo only on 442 posts as at 13.15 ?

The system only counts half-sensible posts.

He's actually made over 10,000.

[colebridgebull]

Anyway.

£3,800,000 donated to the Tories in the third week of the election campaign.

£3.8 million. In one week. To the Government.

That's an awful lot of hard working people..,

There's only one elite in this country with their snouts in the trough.

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£3.8 million to what the donors hope will be the Government.

Those donors may be less than pleased come 9th June.

This is, at the same time, the worst yet most interesting election that I can remember.

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Jun 1, 2017 10:08:33 GMT @jammo said:

But also the Brexit negotiations. Theresa May has strong experience of these situations.

I would seriously question the judgement of anyone who trusts May to deliver anything remotely resembling a reasonable Brexit.

She called an election she wasn't going to call and has spunked away a substantial lead in the polls to a man who is constantly described as unelectable while refusing to debate with anyone who wants to discuss anything that may be construed as difficult.

It has been a pathetic campaign from the Conservative party and - if they do get back in - does not bode at all well for the future.

[castlebull]

Indeed. The evil elitist vs the unelectable hippie.

You have to imagine that in the hugely unlikely event that the Tories don't find themselves in charge Mrs May will have to resign. After all, she only called this election because it appeared to be absolutely unloseable (not a word).

That's worth a vote against them I would have thought?

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Jun 1, 2017 16:35:22 GMT Jonny Dangerous said:

Jun 1, 2017 10:08:33 GMT @jammo said:

But also the Brexit negotiations. Theresa May has strong experience of these situations.

I would seriously question the judgement of anyone who trusts May to deliver anything remotely resembling a reasonable Brexit.

She called an election she wasn't going to call and has spunked away a substantial lead in the polls to a man who is constantly described as unelectable while refusing to debate with anyone who wants to discuss anything that may be construed as difficult.

It has been a pathetic campaign from the Conservative party and - if they do get back in - does not bode at all well for the future.

I couldn't agree more JD. Top post.

[deadsetlegend]

Jun 1, 2017 16:35:22 GMT Jonny Dangerous said:

Jun 1, 2017 10:08:33 GMT @jammo said:

But also the Brexit negotiations. Theresa May has strong experience of these situations.

I would seriously question the judgement of anyone who trusts May to deliver anything remotely resembling a reasonable Brexit.

She called an election she wasn't going to call and has spunked away a substantial lead in the polls to a man who is constantly described as unelectable while refusing to debate with anyone who wants to discuss anything that may be construed as difficult.

It has been a pathetic campaign from the Conservative party and - if they do get back in - does not bode at all well for the future.

Indeed JD. What I don't understand is why continually the Tories say vote for may she will negotiate a better brexit for the country than corbyn. However they never say why! When she first went to Brussels after brexit and she'd just become pm I remember watching the news and virtually no one wanted to say hello or shake her hand. The other politicians were actually turning their backs on her. It was embarrassing.

Then just before the local elections this year she stands outside number 10 and basically says "up yours" to I think juncker who had said something the previous day. It was said by her I'm sure to get the tory vote out at the local elections but what message did the Europeans take from it? I'm sure it wasn't ' we really look forward to working with Mrs may over brexit negotiations and will give the UK the best possible deal we can'.

[nobby]

Jun 1, 2017 16:35:22 GMT Jonny Dangerous said:

Jun 1, 2017 10:08:33 GMT @jammo said:

But also the Brexit negotiations. Theresa May has strong experience of these situations.

I would seriously question the judgement of anyone who trusts May to deliver anything remotely resembling a reasonable Brexit.

She called an election she wasn't going to call and has spunked away a substantial lead in the polls to a man who is constantly described as unelectable while refusing to debate with anyone who wants to discuss anything that may be construed as difficult.

It has been a pathetic campaign from the Conservative party and - if they do get back in - it's because more people voted for them

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Jun 1, 2017 17:10:00 GMT nobby said:

Jun 1, 2017 16:35:22 GMT Jonny Dangerous said:

I would seriously question the judgement of anyone who trusts May to deliver anything remotely resembling a reasonable Brexit.

She called an election she wasn't going to call and has spunked away a substantial lead in the polls to a man who is constantly described as unelectable while refusing to debate with anyone who wants to discuss anything that may be construed as difficult.

It has been a pathetic campaign from the Conservative party and - if they do get back in - it's because more people voted for them

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What you said and what I said are not mutually exclusive.

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I think we need a fair minded person to run this forum. I think anyone with opposing views has gone which is a great shame because without different views all the threads and all the posts become utterly pointless. Its a great pity but maybe MW is in some way redeemed of his running of bullsbanter until its demise. You only have to look at the mod team to realise how biased this place has come to certain agendas.