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Post by oldrossian on Sept 4, 2015 10:42:04 GMT
It saddens me to read the majority view here, these are, in the main, desperate people fleeing tyrannical regimes who need a safe have, funny how times change, remember the Jews etc. fleeing Nazi Europe or Indians fleeing Uganda, there we showed what being British meant. Incidentally, as facts are always in short supply in the current world of spin and dog whistle politics (epitomised by such as the Sun and Daily Mail), perhaps reading the attached article might help some on here www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/10/10-truths-about-europes-refugee-crisis And it's not left crap, just common humanity |
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Post by Barney still in B-Block on Sept 4, 2015 10:56:08 GMT
Thing is, the housing crisis and the NHS crisis has absolutely nothing to do with immigrants or refugees and everything to do with appalling government policy. The state of the NHS and the state of housing is irrelevant, as humans we have a duty to do more to help these people and the way our government is behaving is shameful. What a load of left wing extremist claptrap! We live in an overcrowded country on an overpopulated planet. The swarm of migrants running away from their own country are nothing to do with us. One of the 'swarm' merchants I see Miser, right. Assuming you aren't being a WUM here, for who would be frivolous over such a tragedy, would you care to offer a collective noun for beach corpses before Cameron comes up with something? Anyone who can help with this awful situation should help. And this country can, a feck of a lot more than it actually is. |
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Post by somnambulist on Sept 4, 2015 11:01:31 GMT
It saddens me to read the majority view here, these are, in the main, desperate people fleeing tyrannical regimes who need a safe have, funny how times change, remember the Jews etc. fleeing Nazi Europe or Indians fleeing Uganda, there we showed what being British meant. Incidentally, as facts are always in short supply in the current world of spin and dog whistle politics (epitomised by such as the Sun and Daily Mail), perhaps reading the attached article might help some on here www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/10/10-truths-about-europes-refugee-crisis And it's not left crap, just common humanity I believe Edward Heath's words were: “We hold that it is in the interest of the British people that the reputation of Britain for good faith and humanity should be preserved,” www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/03/refugee-crisis-test-david-cameron |
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Post by somnambulist on Sept 4, 2015 11:18:10 GMT
Thing is, the housing crisis and the NHS crisis has absolutely nothing to do with immigrants or refugees and everything to do with appalling government policy. The state of the NHS and the state of housing is irrelevant, as humans we have a duty to do more to help these people and the way our government is behaving is shameful. What a load of left wing extremist claptrap! We live in an overcrowded country on an overpopulated planet. The swarm of migrants running away from their own country are nothing to do with us. You might not want to accommodate them but let's at least get the language right. The vast majority are refugees not migrants. You don't want to help refugees escaping war-torn countries. Best not to use a euphemism to mitigate the extremity of your views. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 11:35:47 GMT
It's an oversimplification to suggest that these people are all refugees from 'war-torn' Syria. There are people there from any number of countries, some seeking genuine asylum, others are economic migrants who seek to better their position.
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Post by sjpreece on Sept 4, 2015 12:44:39 GMT
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Post by bravesirrobin on Sept 4, 2015 12:53:07 GMT
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Post by nobby on Sept 4, 2015 16:12:21 GMT
Am I stirring up a wasps nest! What does everyone think of the current situation with people desperate to come to Britain. Should we take more? Should we prioritise the Homeless British? Since the very sad pictures of the young child were shown it seems now many are shouting from the rooftops that we should let more in but can we, housing is in crisis, NHS is in Crisis but these people are also in Crisis, what do we do? Thing is, the housing crisis and the NHS crisis has absolutely nothing to do with immigrants or refugees and everything to do with appalling government policy. The state of the NHS and the state of housing is irrelevant, as humans we have a duty to do more to help these people and the way our government is behaving is shameful. Another who falls for the political hype! Housing has been a problem for years, increasing population by bringing in homeless immigrants is only going to worsen an already bad situation ....and as for the NHS! Well, try not listening to the ones trying to score political brownie points and read up on facts, again the NHS has for a long time been failing, the sooner they increase taxes or make people pay something towards health care the sooner we will saving something that is very valuable to Britain. |
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Post by somnambulist on Sept 4, 2015 16:47:11 GMT
Thing is, the housing crisis and the NHS crisis has absolutely nothing to do with immigrants or refugees and everything to do with appalling government policy. The state of the NHS and the state of housing is irrelevant, as humans we have a duty to do more to help these people and the way our government is behaving is shameful. Another who falls for the political hype! Housing has been a problem for years, increasing population by bringing in homeless immigrants is only going to worsen an already bad situation .... and as for the NHS! Well, try not listening to the ones trying to score political brownie points and read up on facts, again the NHS has for a long time been failing, the sooner they increase taxes or make people pay something towards health care the sooner we will saving something that is very valuable to Britain. It seems to me that the NHS is propped up by immigrants. I've spent a lot of time visiting hospitals in the last few years. I can't fault the wonderful care a member of my family received from hospital staff, many of whom were not British. It seems that the UK gains here, as opposed to the countries that train medical staff so well, only to see them take their skills abroad. By all means educate me if I'm wrong. |
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Post by oldmeadowender on Sept 4, 2015 16:54:53 GMT
Another who falls for the political hype! Housing has been a problem for years, increasing population by bringing in homeless immigrants is only going to worsen an already bad situation .... and as for the NHS! Well, try not listening to the ones trying to score political brownie points and read up on facts, again the NHS has for a long time been failing, the sooner they increase taxes or make people pay something towards health care the sooner we will saving something that is very valuable to Britain. It seems to me that the NHS is propped up by immigrants. I've spent a lot of time visiting hospitals in the last few years. I can't fault the wonderful care a member of my family received from hospital staff, many of whom were not British. It seems that the UK gains here, as opposed to the countries that train medical staff so well, only to see them take their skills abroad. By all means educate me if I'm wrong. It's not a question of educating you because you had your experience, but not all have been as lucky as you and not all the contributions of immigrants to the NHS are so Guardian-shiny. That's not to say most don't do a good job and that's not to say we shouldn't be taking people from places such as Syria in this terrible moment in history. |
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Post by nobby on Sept 4, 2015 16:57:54 GMT
Another who falls for the political hype! Housing has been a problem for years, increasing population by bringing in homeless immigrants is only going to worsen an already bad situation .... and as for the NHS! Well, try not listening to the ones trying to score political brownie points and read up on facts, again the NHS has for a long time been failing, the sooner they increase taxes or make people pay something towards health care the sooner we will saving something that is very valuable to Britain. It seems to me that the NHS is propped up by immigrants. I've spent a lot of time visiting hospitals in the last few years. I can't fault the wonderful care a member of my family received from hospital staff, many of whom were not British. It seems that the UK gains here, as opposed to the countries that train medical staff so well, only to see them take their skills abroad. By all means educate me if I'm wrong. I will educate  ... many of the Nurses are now being brought in from Spain on 12 month contract, not what I'd call immigrants but they pay taxes, they pay into the health system, they pay rent and they buy their food so putting back into the economy, and they didn't cross Turkey/Italy/France/Spain (not war torn countries) just to come here |
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Post by oldmeadowender on Sept 4, 2015 17:00:04 GMT
It seems to me that the NHS is propped up by immigrants. I've spent a lot of time visiting hospitals in the last few years. I can't fault the wonderful care a member of my family received from hospital staff, many of whom were not British. It seems that the UK gains here, as opposed to the countries that train medical staff so well, only to see them take their skills abroad. By all means educate me if I'm wrong. I will educate ... many of the Nurses are now being brought in from Spain on 12 month contract, not what I'd call immigrants but they pay taxes, they pay into the health system, they pay rent and they buy their food so putting back into the economy, and they didn't cross Turkey/Italy/France/Spain (not war torn countries) just to come here Can any of them play football? |
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Post by nobby on Sept 4, 2015 17:01:14 GMT
I will educate ... many of the Nurses are now being brought in from Spain on 12 month contract, not what I'd call immigrants but they pay taxes, they pay into the health system, they pay rent and they buy their food so putting back into the economy, and they didn't cross Turkey/Italy/France/Spain (not war torn countries) just to come here Can any of them play football? If I find any I'll send them your way |
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Post by nailswortholdbull on Sept 5, 2015 9:49:12 GMT
The most sickening aspect of Cameron's announcement yesterday? The fact that he changed his tune when Frau Angela took him to task. She plays a tune & Cameron dances.
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Post by Skomer on Sept 5, 2015 10:13:03 GMT
"I will educate ... many of the Nurses are now being brought in from Spain on 12 month contract, not what I'd call immigrants but they pay taxes, they pay into the health system, they pay rent and they buy their food so putting back into the economy, and they didn't cross Turkey/Italy/France/Spain (not war torn countries) just to come here" Err..., Nobby, you might not call them immigrants but its exactly what the statisticians call them. Data is here is anyone is interested. www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/migration1/migration-statistics-quarterly-report/august-2015/stb-msqr-august-2015.html |
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Post by convertabull on Sept 5, 2015 10:22:47 GMT
I have a genuine question and it's not some bait to start an argument;
As I understand it the NHS is set to buckle under the pressure of an ever increasing population (I'm not just talking about immigration here but also increased life expectancy, better medical care etc.).
Is there a genuine reason why the NHS couldn't carry on in its current format for British nationals (i.e If you hold a British passport you get the free medical care) but if you are not a British national but living in Britain you can still access the services but will be billed to cover costs/cover subsided costs?
Like I said, a genuine question not a touchpaper to light.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2015 10:33:05 GMT
I have a genuine question and it's not some bait to start an argument; As I understand it the NHS is set to buckle under the pressure of an ever increasing population (I'm not just talking about immigration here but also increased life expectancy, better medical care etc.). Is there a genuine reason why the NHS couldn't carry on in its current format for British nationals (i.e If you hold a British passport you get the free medical care) but if you are not a British national but living in Britain you can still access the services but will be billed to cover costs/cover subsided costs? Like I said, a genuine question not a touchpaper to light. Yes - the number of cabinet members and senior politicians with interests in private healthcare providers being one...  |
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Post by Barney still in B-Block on Sept 5, 2015 13:10:28 GMT
One of the 'swarm' merchants I see Miser, right. Assuming you aren't being a WUM here, for who would be frivolous over such a tragedy, would you care to offer a collective noun for beach corpses before Cameron comes up with something? Anyone who can help with this awful situation should help. And this country can, a feck of a lot more than it actually is. Unfortunately like most bleeding heart liberals you're reacting in an emotional way rather than a logical one. You are being manipulated by a left wing media - I bet last week you couldn't give a monkey's about migrants, then suddenly the Guardian prints a picture of a dead child and next minute you're wringing your hands and bleating about beach corpses. There's a famous quote from the French dramatist Jean Anouilh which I fully agree with, "One cannot weep for the entire world. It is beyond human strength. One must choose." As UK Prime Minister, Cameron is responsible for the welfare of British people. He is not responsible for the welfare of people from other countries, and nor are we. Mis, you are incorrect in almost every point you make above, both generally, and me personally. That you wash your hands of such a tragedy is your call, but to suggest that a head of state has responsibility only toward humanity within his own borders is staggering - imagine a world where that really was the case? Anyway, I presume now that Cameron is (better late than never) reviewing his position on this, you'll be reviewing yours? |
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Post by willi on Sept 6, 2015 19:41:29 GMT
Genuine refugees do need help.., remove the illegal migrants, to make more space to assist people in need., simple as that.. On the flip side, how many Isis will pose as refugees to gain entry to Europe to conduct their terrorist activities.. Just a thought .. I fear we will find out in the not too distant future, ISIS know they could never invade us,but they are building numbers quietly behind the scenes and a huge influx of these migrants are almost certain to contain more |
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