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Post by oldmeadowender on Aug 25, 2015 23:59:57 GMT
Dear Peter,
You say you want to play football from the back. You're right. The correct way to play.
But guess what? You can't play football from the back if you don't win the ball at the back and do simple, sensible things at the back.
It just ends up in your own net instead.
I still support you but don't get lost in philosophy.
All good teams are built from the back.
You need strength at the back to show adventure going forward.
A stable platform creates the foundation for great things up front.
You don't build a house with a fancy top floor and no foundations.
Strong foundations then creativity in the upper design means a safe house and a great house.
Otherwise (back to football) you lose matches you should win.
I hope you agree.
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Post by Percy on Aug 26, 2015 0:01:50 GMT
I'm sure he does but there are 11 players that need to agree and utilise this info as well  |
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Post by herefordshirebull on Aug 26, 2015 5:00:18 GMT
Dear Peter, You say you want to play football from the back. You're right. The correct way to play. But guess what? You can't play football from the back if you don't win the ball at the back and do simple, sensible things at the back. It just ends up in your own net instead. I still support you but don't get lost in philosophy. All good teams are built from the back. You need strength at the back to show adventure going forward. A stable platform creates the foundation for great things up front. You don't build a house with a fancy top floor and no foundations. Strong foundations then creativity in the upper design means a safe house and a great house. Otherwise (back to football) you lose matches you should win. I hope you agree. |
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Post by herefordshirebull on Aug 26, 2015 5:05:47 GMT
Dear Peter, You say you want to play football from the back. You're right. The correct way to play. But guess what? You can't play football from the back if you don't win the ball at the back and do simple, sensible things at the back. It just ends up in your own net instead. I still support you but don't get lost in philosophy. All good teams are built from the back. You need strength at the back to show adventure going forward. A stable platform creates the foundation for great things up front. You don't build a house with a fancy top floor and no foundations. Strong foundations then creativity in the upper design means a safe house and a great house. Otherwise (back to football) you lose matches you should win. I hope you agree. a very well put post, but I disagree with you OME on one point - supporting Beadle. Ok it wasn't all his fault as the ref was terrible, but the defence is weak and the players on the pitch are not positioned to support each other particularly when it comes to assists. In my opinion a good 50% of last night's shambles was down to Beadle being out of his depth. |
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Post by widemarshbull on Aug 26, 2015 5:15:29 GMT
Why when everybody in the ground could see that a winger should have replaced Sam Gwynne .perhaps Beadle is no tactician ,Gwynne didn't once get past the left back .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 5:51:26 GMT
He probably didn't want to expose Wheatley to the boo boys, he seems to have lost his. Confidence as it is.
Quite why we only had 4 subs on the bench, I don't know.
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Post by nobby on Aug 26, 2015 7:03:05 GMT
He probably didn't want to expose Wheatley to the boo boys, he seems to have lost his. Confidence as it is. Quite why we only had 4 subs on the bench, I don't know. Part of our problem is to many fans who know sweet feck all about football and expect a new team to gel and win every match from day 1 and then choose to boo one of their own, the sooner the moaners feck off the better |
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Post by Differentiabull on Aug 26, 2015 7:18:26 GMT
I don't think there's anything wrong with the philosophy, we've just got a keeper whose confidence seems utterly shot.
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Post by keepmum on Aug 26, 2015 7:25:53 GMT
I don't think there's anything wrong with the philosophy, we've just got a keeper whose confidence seems utterly shot. And it will get worse if he reads some of the comments here ... If Rhys Evabs is still coaching him he's got some work to do |
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Post by oldmeadowender on Aug 26, 2015 7:48:12 GMT
He probably didn't want to expose Wheatley to the boo boys, he seems to have lost his. Confidence as it is. Quite why we only had 4 subs on the bench, I don't know. Part of our problem is to many fans who know sweet feck all about football and expect a new team to gel and win every match from day 1 and then choose to boo one of their own, the sooner the moaners feck off the better Nobby, if you know plenty about football,you'll also know the "gel factor" can be overdone as an excuse. I've played in a centre-back partnership in the past with a bloke and we hit it off from day one - read each other's game, covered each other's mistakes, felt like we'd been playing together all our lives from the first match. I've also played in a cb partnership with a bloke who thought he's push us up to the half-way line every time, then wondered why we conceded when the ball was played in behind us. We didn't gel. But you can bet if I'd played alongside that bloke again, I would have insisted we didn't defend so high. You need some great pace to do that. Shouldn't take more than a few games to gel IMHO. Could be wrong. But that's just my personal experience. |
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Post by sortitoutwebbbull on Aug 26, 2015 7:57:18 GMT
Part of our problem is to many fans who know sweet feck all about football and expect a new team to gel and win every match from day 1 and then choose to boo one of their own, the sooner the moaners feck off the better Nobby, if you know plenty about football,you'll also know the "gel factor" can be overdone as an excuse. I've played in a centre-back partnership in the past with a bloke and we hit it off from day one - read each other's game, covered each other's mistakes, felt like we'd been playing together all our lives from the first match. I've also played in a cb partnership with a bloke who thought he's push us up to the half-way line every time, then wondered why we conceded when the ball was played in behind us. We didn't gel. But you can bet if I'd played alongside that bloke again, I would have insisted we didn't defend so high. You need some great pace to do that. Shouldn't take more than a few games to gel IMHO. Could be wrong. But that's just my personal experience. What sort of standard did you play in OME? Semi or pro football? |
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Post by sittingbull on Aug 26, 2015 8:00:54 GMT
Why when everybody in the ground could see that a winger should have replaced Sam Gwynne .perhaps Beadle is no tactician ,Gwynne didn't once get past the left back . And Gwynne was one of our better players last night, who would you bring on as a winger? Wheatley would not fit the bill. |
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Post by oldmeadowender on Aug 26, 2015 8:04:35 GMT
Nobby, if you know plenty about football,you'll also know the "gel factor" can be overdone as an excuse. I've played in a centre-back partnership in the past with a bloke and we hit it off from day one - read each other's game, covered each other's mistakes, felt like we'd been playing together all our lives from the first match. I've also played in a cb partnership with a bloke who thought he's push us up to the half-way line every time, then wondered why we conceded when the ball was played in behind us. We didn't gel. But you can bet if I'd played alongside that bloke again, I would have insisted we didn't defend so high. You need some great pace to do that. Shouldn't take more than a few games to gel IMHO. Could be wrong. But that's just my personal experience. What sort of standard did you play in OME? Semi or pro football? Neither, so shouldn't better players than me and my cb patrners be able to gel together quicker? You talk to each other and say what isn't working for you, that's my point. I never had the pace to make it! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 8:05:32 GMT
I love the way the experts are deciding that we should play high (to not allow the tall forwards to be in the game) and another one says we should not.
For me theres not a right or wrong way , it depends on the personnel. I think if Summers had played last night we would have won. Hes more commanding in the air than Jamer or Oates. That in its self should have been enough, notwithstanding that hes more of a natural leader. Edwards and Jamer just too quiet on the pitch.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 8:07:52 GMT
Why when everybody in the ground could see that a winger should have replaced Sam Gwynne .perhaps Beadle is no tactician ,Gwynne didn't once get past the left back . And Gwynne was one of our better players last night, who would you bring on as a winger? Wheatley would not fit the bill. Did your head-dress slip over your eyes?
Mind you, we didn't have any "better" players, so it's a moot point.
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Post by bringbackelmo on Aug 26, 2015 8:07:52 GMT
I think PB was right not to bring in a back up keeper but this is exactly where we could have done with one.
We've got a very young lad conceding buckets of goals and struggling with confidence but no way of taking him it out of the firing line. Ideally I'd take Rivers out for a game or two but having to bring in a new keeper to do so would probably completely destroy the lad.
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Post by oldmeadowender on Aug 26, 2015 8:18:36 GMT
I love the way the experts are deciding that we should play high (to not allow the tall forwards to be in the game) and another one says we should not. For me theres not a right or wrong way , it depends on the personnel. I think if Summers had played last night we would have won. Hes more commanding in the air than Jamer or Oates. That in its self should have been enough, notwithstanding that hes more of a natural leader. Edwards and Jamer just too quiet on the pitch. It depends on the opposition, so Rodders might have been right last night, I wasn't there, if the opposition had no pace we could have played a bit higher? |
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