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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2021 15:38:20 GMT
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Post by GRL on Dec 1, 2021 15:50:27 GMT
So, just to be clear, I made the point yesterday that a Barbadian journalist stated, irrefutably, that it "has never been right that our island had a head of state who doesn't look like us."
It was entirely in the context of the issues of race voiced earlier in the thread. A thread which had not been closed until I raised the point about the Barbadian journalist.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2021 15:51:07 GMT
Those who wish to discuss the forthcoming Ashes series should be allowed to do so without getting drawn in to a debate that is going round in ever decreasing circles to the point that no one beyond yourself and ww have any great desire to get embroiled in. FWIW I think Som got it spot on In suggesting that no-one saw fit to respond to ww’s point as, frankly, no-one could be bothered. I guess that just goes to show that you are not really considering problems from all angles. Fair enough, but I would say that this is partly why the world is a mess at the moment. Echo chambers and the belief that certain people are morally superior to others. It's a bit of a joke really. We won't get anywhere with that attitude, IMO. In fact, we'll be going round in ever-decreasing circles until some madman kills us all. Something for you to consider, perhaps? I'm actually quite genuinely disgusted by that attitude, to be honest.
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Post by somnambulist on Dec 1, 2021 16:01:08 GMT
Sigh. The thread was locked as it had degenerated into a discussion about race and culture. Anyone wanting to talk about cricket would soon have lost all heart and gone and done something else instead. I’m sure many have. The locking of the thread has nothing to do with “shutting down debate” or censorship. If it had been, the thread would have been deleted or “tidied up”. Neither happened. With the Ashes coming up, then there will be those who just want to talk about the cricket. Perhaps in a thread called, oh, I don’t know, “today’s cricket”. Issues of race, gender, cultural appropriation perhaps could be discussed in a thread bearing that name. Doesn’t seem unreasonable. Anyone who wants to contribute remains free to do so, without boring or scaring off those who don’t. Little perspective needed perhaps. This isn’t a board exclusively for those who choose to push forward their particular political or social agendas, although everyone is free to do so if they want. Re the complaint. It was made publically, has been dealt with in similar fashion. Again, if anything covert was going on, or if debate was being closed down (bloody hell…) then it wouldn’t have been. If anyone wants to take over modding then form an orderly queue. Thought not. I don't have a problem with your modding. I have a problem with the reasoning behind you locking that thread. If you look on the BBC Cricket page, which subject jumps out at you? Most of the discussion in that thread centred around the main stories on BBC Sport. The latest of ww's points was regarding a cricket journalist. It was a good point to which nobody seemed to know how to respond so they took to playing the man not the ball.
Honestly, I think it's not a particularly grown up way of going about things. If we are ever to evolve (or devolve back into) normal human beings then we have to learn to listen to opposing views and/or difficult opinions (and, in reality, truths) otherwise we might as well just shut everything down and shout at the wall. Seriously, please unlock that thread. Not strictly true. I responded to that a couple of times, then aborted before pressing the "create post". Seriously, I'd recommend that modus operandi to anyone on here. It's cathartic; you're able to get something off your chest without the inconvenience of having to commit to the interminable back and for, or even worse, having your thoughts wilfully misunderstood. I feel quite sorry for Simon Hughes. As Jon Ronson says, somewhere in his magnificent new Radio 4 series "Things Fell Apart" it is now all about impact rather than intent. Hughes's indiscretion was small but its affect was wide-ranging. I suppose that comes with the territory if you are a newspaper/magazine editor. Your judgement is your stock in trade. (The NY Times ditched one of their editors recently for commissioning a comment piece that was considered ill-judged in the current political climate). Here's the Ronson link. I'm not sure there's a better commentator on the nexus between social media and the culture wars. And he does it with an understanding and generosity of spirit so often lacking. www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/series/m0011cprAnd yes, Martin, I know, I'd have been better not clicking "create post"!
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Post by somnambulist on Dec 1, 2021 16:02:27 GMT
By all means move the above post to anywhere deemed fitting.
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Post by colebridgebull on Dec 1, 2021 16:03:25 GMT
Eh?
I can see I will have to simplify it further.
Let’s start from the position that some just want to talk about cricket or football based on what they see on the pitch. Fair enough? Let’s call them Group A
Others want to talk about wider social and cultural issues. Let’s call them Group B.
If you had a big Venn diagram at this point, there would be a fair few in the intersection. As time goes on and the arguments develop or deviate from the original discussion, then the number in the intersection diminishes quite considerably as human nature dictates that some only really want to talk about the matters that concern their original group. Ultimately you end up with substantially the same people in Group A and B who were there originally, with a few grimly clinging on in the intersection. Which is now all that is left of our original Venn.
Still with me?
What I have sought to do, is restore Group A and B back to their original glory. That way, those who wandered off will hopefully return. Of course, some will get upset. Usually the ones who feel they are in some way worthy of the most attention. Such is life. That’s a societal problem that has been exacerbated by the rise of social media.
in the great scheme of things, it is odd that closing a thread has caused such an OTT reaction from some. It’s hardly putting the place into Maintenance Mode and I hadn’t got the time to be messing around trying to tidy it up so that it would keep everyone happy.
such is the joy of moderation. If you only keep the squeaky wheels oiled, the rest of the forum falls apart.
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Post by somnambulist on Dec 1, 2021 16:08:47 GMT
Eh? I can see I will have to simplify it further. Let’s start from the position that some just want to talk about cricket or football based on what they see on the pitch. Fair enough? Let’s call them Group A Others want to talk about wider social and cultural issues. Let’s call them Group B. If you had a big Venn diagram at this point, there would be a fair few in the intersection. As time goes on and the arguments develop or deviate from the original discussion, then the number in the intersection diminishes quite considerably as human nature dictates that some only really want to talk about the matters that concern their original group. Ultimately you end up with substantially the same people in Group A and B who were there originally, with a few grimly clinging on in the intersection. Which is now all that is left of our original Venn. Still with me? What I have sought to do, is restore Group A and B back to their original glory. That way, those who wandered off will hopefully return. Of course, the noisier ones in Group B will get all upset as they thrive on the attention they seek from Group A. Such is life. Now, I'm really confused!
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Post by colebridgebull on Dec 1, 2021 16:09:43 GMT
Eh? I can see I will have to simplify it further. Let’s start from the position that some just want to talk about cricket or football based on what they see on the pitch. Fair enough? Let’s call them Group A Others want to talk about wider social and cultural issues. Let’s call them Group B. If you had a big Venn diagram at this point, there would be a fair few in the intersection. As time goes on and the arguments develop or deviate from the original discussion, then the number in the intersection diminishes quite considerably as human nature dictates that some only really want to talk about the matters that concern their original group. Ultimately you end up with substantially the same people in Group A and B who were there originally, with a few grimly clinging on in the intersection. Which is now all that is left of our original Venn. Still with me? What I have sought to do, is restore Group A and B back to their original glory. That way, those who wandered off will hopefully return. Of course, the noisier ones in Group B will get all upset as they thrive on the attention they seek from Group A. Such is life. Now, I'm really confused! Response to Kilpeck.(pre amendments for fairness)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2021 16:16:24 GMT
The answer is OME. He was the bass guitarist for the forum.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2021 16:24:32 GMT
Eh? I can see I will have to simplify it further. What a cock-sure knobber.
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Post by colebridgebull on Dec 1, 2021 16:26:59 GMT
That’s Mr Cock-Sure Knobber to you.
Anyhow. Do you get it now?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2021 16:28:08 GMT
That’s Mr Cock-Sure Knobber to you. Anyhow. Do you get it now? I get that you're a bit of a narrow-minded, moral crusader. The type of self-confident Hancock who is destroying the world.
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Post by somnambulist on Dec 1, 2021 16:28:13 GMT
"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold".
W. B. Yeats knew a thing or two about internet forums.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2021 16:32:09 GMT
I don't have a problem with your modding. I have a problem with the reasoning behind you locking that thread. If you look on the BBC Cricket page, which subject jumps out at you? Most of the discussion in that thread centred around the main stories on BBC Sport. The latest of ww's points was regarding a cricket journalist. It was a good point to which nobody seemed to know how to respond so they took to playing the man not the ball.
Honestly, I think it's not a particularly grown up way of going about things. If we are ever to evolve (or devolve back into) normal human beings then we have to learn to listen to opposing views and/or difficult opinions (and, in reality, truths) otherwise we might as well just shut everything down and shout at the wall. Seriously, please unlock that thread. Not strictly true. I responded to that a couple of times, then aborted before pressing the "create post". Seriously, I'd recommend that modus operandi to anyone on here. It's cathartic; you're able to get something off your chest without the inconvenience of having to commit to the interminable back and for, or even worse, having your thoughts wilfully misunderstood. I feel quite sorry for Simon Hughes. As Jon Ronson says, somewhere in his magnificent new Radio 4 series "Things Fell Apart" it is now all about impact rather than intent. Hughes's indiscretion was small but its affect was wide-ranging. I suppose that comes with the territory if you are a newspaper/magazine editor. Your judgement is your stock in trade. (The NY Times ditched one of their editors recently for commissioning a comment piece that was considered ill-judged in the current political climate). Here's the Ronson link. I'm not sure there's a better commentator on the nexus between social media and the culture wars. And he does it with an understanding and generosity of spirit so often lacking. www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/series/m0011cprAnd yes, Martin, I know, I'd have been better not clicking "create post"! Any chance of you providing a brief summary of the post which was aborted? Did you have any specific thoughts on what the chap said on the radio and how it should be considered in the grand scheme of things?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2021 16:35:01 GMT
That’s Mr Cock-Sure Knobber to you. Anyhow. Do you get it now? I get that you're a bit of a narrow-minded, moral crusader. The type of self-confident Hancock who is destroying the world. Have you been eating sweets? It is just you seem to be confusing this cess pit with somewhere really important. You are getting well pumped up.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2021 16:40:08 GMT
I get that you're a bit of a narrow-minded, moral crusader. The type of self-confident Hancock who is destroying the world. Have you been eating sweets? It is just you seem to be confusing this cess pit with somewhere really important. You are getting well pumped up. Do you not think about the fact that you rarely add anything to these type of conversations. Just ridicule, basically. I think these type of conversations are important regardless of where they are had. If someone reads something on here, goes away and thinks about it and then writes something on Twitter which then gets retweeted a million times then surely there is some point to it. Even if they just talk about these things in the pub, it's still the same. People need to start reacting differently to what we currently are doing. All sense seems to have disappeared. I don't care if I'm saying that on here or tied to a flagpole on top of 10 Downing Street! It doesn't matter! If we're all to get over all these miscommunications about race, sex, gender, class etc. then the only way to do it is to actually listen, think about stuff and discuss it. We're not going to sort out the world with smart remarks and ridiculing people.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2021 16:45:09 GMT
Have you been eating sweets? It is just you seem to be confusing this cess pit with somewhere really important. You are getting well pumped up. Do you not think about the fact that you rarely add anything to these type of conversations. Just ridicule, basically. I think these type of conversations are important regardless of where they are had. If someone reads something on here and then goes away and thinks about and then writes something on Twitter which then gets retweeted a million times then surely there is some point to it. Even if they just talk about these things in the pub, it's still the same. People need to start reacting differently to what we currently are doing. All sense seems to have disappeared. I don't care if I'm saying that on here or tied to a flagpole on top of 10 Downing Street! It doesn't matter! If something on here gets retweeted a million times I will buy you a years supply of sweets. The funny thing is I have in many ways fallen for cricket over football because I find it easier to cope with. It doesn't get under my skin so much (apart from perhaps the Ashes). Yet here you are giving it large about total crap. That is me done on this thread. Happy to talk cricket on the Ashes one.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2021 16:49:00 GMT
Do you not think about the fact that you rarely add anything to these type of conversations. Just ridicule, basically. I think these type of conversations are important regardless of where they are had. If someone reads something on here and then goes away and thinks about and then writes something on Twitter which then gets retweeted a million times then surely there is some point to it. Even if they just talk about these things in the pub, it's still the same. People need to start reacting differently to what we currently are doing. All sense seems to have disappeared. I don't care if I'm saying that on here or tied to a flagpole on top of 10 Downing Street! It doesn't matter! If something on here gets retweeted a million times I will buy you a years supply of sweets. The funny thing is I have in many ways fallen for cricket over football because I find it easier to cope with. It doesn't get under my skin so much (apart from perhaps the Ashes). Yet here you are giving it large about total crap. That is me done on this thread. Happy to talk cricket on the Ashes one. Total crap? I'm not sure why the BBC Sport page is full of total crap. It seems to me that you either don't think racial tensions are important or that there is only one direction that it can be seen from. If one thing is wrong for one person, it should be wrong for another... or perhaps not wrong at all.
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Post by Peroni on Jan 22, 2022 20:00:17 GMT
All set with my W Indies shirt on.
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Post by Peroni on Jan 22, 2022 20:05:23 GMT
Bye bye Roy
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