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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2021 11:45:04 GMT
I'm not having that...
There were about 30,000 posts about BLM at the height of BLM activities. There are hundreds of different forums to talk about Brexit, Coronavirus and Music but you don't lock those threads. In fact, what's the point of the Magic Roundabout section of this forum is it's not to talk about non-footballing matters?
It seems to me that someone didn't feel comfortable with ww's observation about that radio interview yesterday (nobody aside from me even approached the subject). Also, they didn't really like a complaint about name calling.
I see no reason why the thread should be locked. No reason at all. Reopen the thread!
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Post by GRL on Dec 1, 2021 12:02:00 GMT
And Barbados has much relevance in the world of cricket.
Sir Garfield Sobers has always been very proud of the knighthood bestowed on him by Queen Elizabeth II.
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Post by eggchaserbull on Dec 1, 2021 12:05:45 GMT
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Post by somnambulist on Dec 1, 2021 12:32:22 GMT
I'm not having that... There were about 30,000 posts about BLM at the height of BLM activities. There are hundreds of different forums to talk about Brexit, Coronavirus and Music but you don't lock those threads. In fact, what's the point of the Magic Roundabout section of this forum is it's not to talk about non-footballing matters? It seems to me that someone didn't feel comfortable with ww's observation about that radio interview yesterday (nobody aside from me even approached the subject). Also, they didn't really like a complaint about name calling. I see no reason why the thread should be locked. No reason at all. Reopen the thread! I'm inclined to agree. I'm not a fan of shutting down debate. That said, there has to be a semblance of actual debate. Unfortunately the thread had descended into little more than trolling and was becoming tiresome. I'm not sure what the answer is, but I don't have to worry about it as I'm not a moderator. Thankfully there are people willing to take on this onerous task. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2021 12:41:18 GMT
I'm not having that... There were about 30,000 posts about BLM at the height of BLM activities. There are hundreds of different forums to talk about Brexit, Coronavirus and Music but you don't lock those threads. In fact, what's the point of the Magic Roundabout section of this forum is it's not to talk about non-footballing matters? It seems to me that someone didn't feel comfortable with ww's observation about that radio interview yesterday (nobody aside from me even approached the subject). Also, they didn't really like a complaint about name calling. I see no reason why the thread should be locked. No reason at all. Reopen the thread! I'm inclined to agree. I'm not a fan of shutting down debate. That said, there has to be a semblance of actual debate. Unfortunately the thread had descended into little more than trolling and was becoming tiresome. I'm not sure what the answer is, but I don't have to worry about it as I'm not a moderator. Thankfully there are people willing to take on this onerous task. It wasn't very much trolling unless you consider trolling to be any opinion with which you disagree. It contained a lot of people displaying signs of inconsistency and unwillingness to contemplate things from a different point of view. No reason to lock it. It was about cricket. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2021 12:45:36 GMT
On the subject of cricket, teams have gone on tours seriously undercooked for years now but this tour is going to take things to a new level. I don't think they have had any time in the middle yet.
If England can avoid defeat in the first test that will be a remarkable achievement.
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Post by somnambulist on Dec 1, 2021 12:56:41 GMT
I'm inclined to agree. I'm not a fan of shutting down debate. That said, there has to be a semblance of actual debate. Unfortunately the thread had descended into little more than trolling and was becoming tiresome. I'm not sure what the answer is, but I don't have to worry about it as I'm not a moderator. Thankfully there are people willing to take on this onerous task. It wasn't very much trolling unless you consider trolling to be any opinion with which you disagree. It contained a lot of people displaying signs of inconsistency and unwillingness to contemplate things from a different point of view. No reason to lock it. It was about cricket. Did I not say I agree? And no, I don't consider trolling to be "any opinion with with you disagree". I consider trolling to be provocatively making the same point over and over again ad infinitum without being too troubled by coherent argument or nuance. Frankly ww is better than that. |
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Post by GRL on Dec 1, 2021 13:09:38 GMT
"There are plenty of forums to discuss issues of race and identity. I think, bearing in mind this is, ostensibly, a football forum, that it’s been done to death on here."
My latter remarks were very relevant to the previous cricket thread inasmuch as cricket has been all about race for a month.
As for "making the same point over and over again," the broadcast which I drew to your attention was yesterday morning. It was mentioned for the first time yesterday. It was all about Barbados - the home of Sir Garfield Sobers who attended the "disinvestiture" yesterday.
Clearly the Barbadian journalist made an intensely racist remark.
One can't help but feel the moderators were uncomfortable with the idea that this would detract from the relentless one way direction of these kinds of matters.
It might be an idea if they incorporated somebody who doesn't think exactly the same way as themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2021 13:16:22 GMT
"There are plenty of forums to discuss issues of race and identity. I think, bearing in mind this is, ostensibly, a football forum, that it’s been done to death on here." My latter remarks were very relevant to the previous cricket thread inasmuch as cricket has been all about race for a month. As for "making the same point over and over again," the broadcast which I drew to your attention was yesterday morning. It was mentioned for the first time yesterday. It was all about Barbados - the home of Sir Garfield Sobers who attended the "disinvestiture" yesterday. Clearly the Barbadian journalist made an intensely racist remark. One can't help but feel the moderators were uncomfortable with the idea that this would detract from the relentless one way direction of these kinds of matters. It might be an idea if they incorporated somebody who doesn't think exactly the same way as themselves. Have you got any time on your hands? |
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Post by somnambulist on Dec 1, 2021 13:19:24 GMT
"There are plenty of forums to discuss issues of race and identity. I think, bearing in mind this is, ostensibly, a football forum, that it’s been done to death on here." My latter remarks were very relevant to the previous cricket thread inasmuch as cricket has been all about race for a month. As for "making the same point over and over again," the broadcast which I drew to your attention was yesterday morning. It was mentioned for the first time yesterday. It was all about Barbados - the home of Sir Garfield Sobers who attended the "disinvestiture" yesterday. Clearly the Barbadian journalist made an intensely racist remark. One can't help but feel the moderators were uncomfortable with the idea that this would detract from the relentless one way direction of these kinds of matters. It might be an idea if they incorporated somebody who doesn't think exactly the same way as themselves. You've made the same point over and over again on this thread just with different "supporting" examples. I think Martin pointed out above that he was the only one who engaged with you yesterday. Honestly I don't think anyone else could be bothered. Maybe that should give you pause for thought? I think the highlight of the thread was when you came back from the pub triumphant and couldn't wait to rub our noses in it. It was still trolling but at least it made me laugh! |
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Post by colebridgebull on Dec 1, 2021 13:19:31 GMT
Sigh.
The thread was locked as it had degenerated into a discussion about race and culture. Anyone wanting to talk about cricket would soon have lost all heart and gone and done something else instead. I’m sure many have.
The locking of the thread has nothing to do with “shutting down debate” or censorship. If it had been, the thread would have been deleted or “tidied up”. Neither happened.
With the Ashes coming up, then there will be those who just want to talk about the cricket. Perhaps in a thread called, oh, I don’t know, “today’s cricket”. Issues of race, gender, cultural appropriation perhaps could be discussed in a thread bearing that name. Doesn’t seem unreasonable. Anyone who wants to contribute remains free to do so, without boring or scaring off those who don’t.
Little perspective needed perhaps. This isn’t a board exclusively for those who choose to push forward their particular political or social agendas, although everyone is free to do so if they want.
Re the complaint. It was made publically, has been dealt with in similar fashion. Again, if anything covert was going on, or if debate was being closed down (bloody hell…) then it wouldn’t have been.
If anyone wants to take over modding then form an orderly queue.
Thought not.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2021 13:22:45 GMT
Sigh. The thread was locked as it had degenerated into a discussion about race and culture. Anyone wanting to talk about cricket would soon have lost all heart and gone and done something else instead. I’m sure many have. The locking of the thread has nothing to do with “shutting down debate” or censorship. If it had been, the thread would have been deleted or “tidied up”. Neither happened. With the Ashes coming up, then there will be those who just want to talk about the cricket. Perhaps in a thread called, oh, I don’t know, “today’s cricket”. Issues of race, gender, cultural appropriation perhaps could be discussed in a thread bearing that name. Doesn’t seem unreasonable. Anyone who wants to contribute remains free to do so, without boring or scaring off those who don’t. Little perspective needed perhaps. This isn’t a board exclusively for those who choose to push forward their particular political or social agendas, although everyone is free to do so if they want. Re the complaint. It was made publically, has been dealt with in similar fashion. Again, if anything covert was going on, or if debate was being closed down (bloody hell…) then it wouldn’t have been. If anyone wants to take over modding then form an orderly queue. Thought not. Sorted. Well sort of. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2021 13:26:30 GMT
Double sorted.
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Post by GRL on Dec 1, 2021 13:48:00 GMT
"There are plenty of forums to discuss issues of race and identity. I think, bearing in mind this is, ostensibly, a football forum, that it’s been done to death on here." My latter remarks were very relevant to the previous cricket thread inasmuch as cricket has been all about race for a month. As for "making the same point over and over again," the broadcast which I drew to your attention was yesterday morning. It was mentioned for the first time yesterday. It was all about Barbados - the home of Sir Garfield Sobers who attended the "disinvestiture" yesterday. Clearly the Barbadian journalist made an intensely racist remark. One can't help but feel the moderators were uncomfortable with the idea that this would detract from the relentless one way direction of these kinds of matters. It might be an idea if they incorporated somebody who doesn't think exactly the same way as themselves. You've made the same point over and over again on this thread just with different "supporting" examples. I think Martin pointed out above that he was the only one who engaged with you yesterday. Honestly I don't think anyone else could be bothered. Maybe that should give you pause for thought? I think the highlight of the thread was when you came back from the pub triumphant and couldn't wait to rub our noses in it. It was still trolling but at least it made me laugh! It was not I who decided the abiding issue in cricket is race. It's a very well balanced clientele in that pub. Currently being discussed in terms of "Pub of the Year." |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2021 14:59:39 GMT
Sigh. The thread was locked as it had degenerated into a discussion about race and culture. Anyone wanting to talk about cricket would soon have lost all heart and gone and done something else instead. I’m sure many have. The locking of the thread has nothing to do with “shutting down debate” or censorship. If it had been, the thread would have been deleted or “tidied up”. Neither happened. With the Ashes coming up, then there will be those who just want to talk about the cricket. Perhaps in a thread called, oh, I don’t know, “today’s cricket”. Issues of race, gender, cultural appropriation perhaps could be discussed in a thread bearing that name. Doesn’t seem unreasonable. Anyone who wants to contribute remains free to do so, without boring or scaring off those who don’t. Little perspective needed perhaps. This isn’t a board exclusively for those who choose to push forward their particular political or social agendas, although everyone is free to do so if they want. Re the complaint. It was made publically, has been dealt with in similar fashion. Again, if anything covert was going on, or if debate was being closed down (bloody hell…) then it wouldn’t have been. If anyone wants to take over modding then form an orderly queue. Thought not. I don't have a problem with your modding. I have a problem with the reasoning behind you locking that thread. If you look on the BBC Cricket page, which subject jumps out at you? Most of the discussion in that thread centred around the main stories on BBC Sport. The latest of ww's points was regarding a cricket journalist. It was a good point to which nobody seemed to know how to respond so they took to playing the man not the ball. Honestly, I think it's not a particularly grown up way of going about things. If we are ever to evolve (or devolve back into) normal human beings then we have to learn to listen to opposing views and/or difficult opinions (and, in reality, truths) otherwise we might as well just shut everything down and shout at the wall. Seriously, please unlock that thread. |
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Post by colebridgebull on Dec 1, 2021 15:14:35 GMT
I have explained the reasoning.
It is a thread that deals with “today’s cricket”. It could, by a stretch, be argued that that thread title encompasses everything going on in the wider game, which reflects many of the debates going on in many areas of life at the moment. However, the thread was not started in that way and the content will no doubt put many off.
Closing the thread enables a reset.
Those who wish to discuss the forthcoming Ashes series should be allowed to do so without getting drawn in to a debate that is going round in ever decreasing circles to the point that no one beyond yourself and ww have any great desire to get embroiled in. FWIW I think Som got it spot on In suggesting that no-one saw fit to respond to ww’s point as, frankly, no-one could be bothered.
If you, ww and a few others want to debate other issues then, of course. You can. And will. I just don’t see how it’s healthy for the board to effectively drag everyone else into the discussion.
I’m sorry if you see that as “shutting down debate”. It really isn’t. It’s simply ensuring that everyone can engage if they want in a structured fashion. And if they don’t, they don’t have to trawl through interminable circular arguments to express their views on the merits of the pitch at the Gabba.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2021 15:18:22 GMT
I have added two threads that hopefully square all this off.
Ashes OGT and then a catch all for the issues of the day that have bogged this one down.
Shall we not try that?
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Post by colebridgebull on Dec 1, 2021 15:28:29 GMT
Yes.
It worked for the main board and the Magic Roundabout, so no reason why it shouldn’t work on a smaller scale.
I really don’t see why it’s got some so worked up into a frothy mist. If you were standing with your mates in a pub talking about the day’s events, you might get a bit miffed if others intervened and insisted you talked about something else. You’d probably end up on separate sides of the room in your own groups and all would be happy.
Although there are some who never are.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2021 15:31:23 GMT
It just stops some good threads getting trashed, usually by the same person.
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Post by colebridgebull on Dec 1, 2021 15:33:36 GMT
It won’t…
You watch.
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