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Jan 8, 2024 15:25:11 GMT
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Post by Barney still in B-Block on Jan 8, 2024 15:25:11 GMT
Not adequately paying those folks who actually help people is unethical. I guess it would've been a bit easier if the Tories hadn't have 'misplaced' £10 billion. I've seen the vehicles the district nurses pitch up in. And therein lies the problem wain, as with much of your opinating. If it’s not happening on your own doorstep, or Rod, or Joey, or Tinyjohn, or Beryl from Basingstoke hasn’t blathered on about it, then it’s irrelevant. Understandable - if nonetheless still wrong - in the sixties, but in 2024, a little sad.
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Post by eggchaserbull on Jan 8, 2024 15:47:40 GMT
Here's a graphic for wage increase comparison since 2011. Most workers 30% + increase, those deserving workers, train drivers, 40%. Key workers 20% or below and medical practitioners an actual decrease of about 15%. It difficult to see what Doctors have to complain about. Perhaps they need somebody to make a TV drama about it, because this bunch of government dimwits don't seem to realise what's happening in the country they are supposed to be governing unless ITV and Good Morning Britain tell them.
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Jan 8, 2024 16:39:58 GMT
Post by Incognito on Jan 8, 2024 16:39:58 GMT
That graphic would be more fun if MP's salaries were included.
Also, do train drivers really earn more than doctors?
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Jan 8, 2024 16:51:41 GMT
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Post by Hawkeye on Jan 8, 2024 16:51:41 GMT
That graphic would be more fun if MP's salaries were included. Also, do train drivers really earn more than doctors? I think train drivers average pay before the recent strikes was c£60k. If their claim was settled (I can't remember if it was) it would rise to c£66k. Seems logical to conclude that that is more than what a Junior Houseman earns. However, as doctors rise through the ranks and become GPs (remember them?), Registrars, Senior Registrars and ultimately Consultants, their pay will have risen significantly above that of train drivers. I can state that train drivers are paid much, much more than coach drivers. 😉
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Jan 8, 2024 16:55:42 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2024 16:55:42 GMT
That graphic would be more fun if MP's salaries were included. Also, do train drivers really earn more than doctors? Is that just percentage changes year on year? Possibly with inflation factored in.
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Jan 8, 2024 17:09:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2024 17:09:41 GMT
It would appear to use 2011 as a base and shows the changes in gross annual pay for each group over time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2024 17:10:19 GMT
Like you though, I am totally unqualified on the matter. On the contrary I am qualified in the sense that I can see that the strike by junior doctors is unethical. I think this is where you keep going wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2024 19:05:53 GMT
Here's a graphic for wage increase comparison since 2011. Most workers 30% + increase, those deserving workers, train drivers, 40%.Key workers 20% or below and medical practitioners an actual decrease of about 15%. It difficult to see what Doctors have to complain about. Perhaps they need somebody to make a TV drama about it, because this bunch of government dimwits don't seem to realise what's happening in the country they are supposed to be governing unless ITV and Good Morning Britain tell them. View AttachmentYou say that but I saw a series of documentaries about trains when my kids were little and most of the trains were a right handful. Proper used to play everyone up.
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Jan 8, 2024 19:25:34 GMT
Post by GRL on Jan 8, 2024 19:25:34 GMT
Here's a graphic for wage increase comparison since 2011. Most workers 30% + increase, those deserving workers, train drivers, 40%. Key workers 20% or below and medical practitioners an actual decrease of about 15%. It difficult to see what Doctors have to complain about. Perhaps they need somebody to make a TV drama about it, because this bunch of government dimwits don't seem to realise what's happening in the country they are supposed to be governing unless ITV and Good Morning Britain tell them. View AttachmentThe cardinal error. Have a look at junior doctors pay per hour. They don't work many these days. Gordon Brown was at the root of that particular abomination. Deal with the ethics.
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Jan 8, 2024 19:26:01 GMT
Post by GRL on Jan 8, 2024 19:26:01 GMT
On the contrary I am qualified in the sense that I can see that the strike by junior doctors is unethical. I think this is where you keep going wrong. Deal with the ethics.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2024 19:27:24 GMT
I think this is where you keep going wrong. Deal with the ethics. That would be wholly inappropriate given the title of the thread.
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Post by Armchairfan on Jan 8, 2024 20:08:41 GMT
The "ethics" of the Junior Doctors,(and every Public Sector organisation) are, unfortunately having to challenge the Morals of this corrupt Tory Government. And those Morals are at a base level.
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Jan 8, 2024 20:26:59 GMT
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Post by Barney still in B-Block on Jan 8, 2024 20:26:59 GMT
Here's a graphic for wage increase comparison since 2011. Most workers 30% + increase, those deserving workers, train drivers, 40%. Key workers 20% or below and medical practitioners an actual decrease of about 15%. It difficult to see what Doctors have to complain about. Perhaps they need somebody to make a TV drama about it, because this bunch of government dimwits don't seem to realise what's happening in the country they are supposed to be governing unless ITV and Good Morning Britain tell them. View AttachmentThe cardinal error. Have a look at junior doctors pay per hour. They don't work many these days. Gordon Brown was at the root of that particular abomination. Deal with the ethics. Aw wain, this was fun, but that’s pure chum.
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Jan 8, 2024 21:09:14 GMT
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Post by mikeunderpenyard on Jan 8, 2024 21:09:14 GMT
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Jan 8, 2024 22:07:52 GMT
Post by glawsterwhite on Jan 8, 2024 22:07:52 GMT
Decisive leadership from sunak. That man has balls of steel lol
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Jan 9, 2024 8:50:14 GMT
Post by GRL on Jan 9, 2024 8:50:14 GMT
At least the little Labour chappie Wes Streeting acknowledges this kind of issue (and that it will get worse when they dish out absurd pay rises to persons who retire at 50):
"My friend's son has arse trouble it's been going on for nearly 2 years he lost his job because he couldn't function properly. After various scans and operations he was eventually booked in for what he hoped would be the final op a few days ago. His wife booked the week off to care for him and off he went. Suitably prepared and fully gowned he was in the hospital for 4 hrs before staff told him the surgeon was on vacation and he might as well go home. I'm assuming they got him in hoping they could find a replacement but with chumps pretending to be on strike whilst filling their pockets with locum work no one could be found. The NHS is an inept totally unaccountable disaster."
A gentleman posting on Herefordshire politics and local democracy with Gavin McEwan.
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Post by greekgod on Jan 9, 2024 9:15:03 GMT
I saw that post. Just above it was this "If doctors wish to regain the trust and mutual respect of patients they should call the off strike immediately."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2024 10:12:13 GMT
I think the whole purpose of strikes is that they are designed to cause inconvenience to the customer/user and therefore focus the employers mind.
Otherwise what's the point of them?
Also in ww land where most of the medical staff are idly doing laps of hospitals to kill a bit of time, the chaos caused when the said strikers walk out surely demonstrates that they must have at least some worth.
I think the inconvenience to the user is why striking is always a last resort (must be shit for the doctors knowing the problems it causes for their patients).
The problem with this government (and this is 100% their problem as the lag in pay rises has fully been on their watch) is that they have been reluctant to negotiate with any of the recent organisations that have striked.
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Jan 9, 2024 10:30:53 GMT
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Jan 9, 2024 10:53:53 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2024 10:53:53 GMT
See my "on their watch" above. I appreciate that we have had Covid and Brexit, but this government has done a sterling job of increasing taxes to their highest levels in living memory whilst systematically reducing the quality of everything that they have influence over. Go them.
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