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Post by Hawkeye on Dec 28, 2019 22:33:53 GMT
242460,I would never have sacked Beadle. He was apparently a difficult character,but was short-changed by the Board that season.By not backing him we lost the momentum and goodwill of the fans as he was unceremoniously dumped in a shameless way.He was able to bring in players to improve the team when necessary and was never given a fair chance to prove himself. His record deserved full backing from the club but was not forthcoming. Since then we have had a revolving door at Edgar St,and have lost our way.Very sad. In what way do you imagine Beadle was a "difficult character"? And on what basis are you suggesting that was the case?
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Post by shabbaranks on Dec 28, 2019 22:55:36 GMT
He had some great players during his Orient spell. But it's a whole lot easier to attract promising youth or quality older players to London than Herefordshire.
Any positive posts about Slade so far are all rooted in the past, what he's like, what he is likely to be like, what he once did...
...Since he joined, what has he achieved? Are we hard to beat? Has our defence improved? Has our attack improved? Do we play lovely football but don't quite get the results? Has the effort and commitment improved?
The answers are obvious.
Surely just by footballing odds, we must have fluked a decent performance by now under him? Was it the 2-2 draw with York? Is that it? Is that the height of our season?
We've just lost at home to bloody Leamington and most of y'all are meek and mild about it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2019 23:03:57 GMT
He had some great players during his Orient spell. But it's a whole lot easier to attract promising youth or quality older players to London than Herefordshire. Any positive posts about Slade so far are all rooted in the past, what he's like, what he is likely to be like, what he once did... ...Since he joined, what has he achieved? Are we hard to beat? Has our defence improved? Has our attack improved? Do we play lovely football but don't quite get the results? Has the effort and commitment improved? The answers are obvious. Surely just by footballing odds, we must have fluked a decent performance by now under him? Was it the 2-2 draw with York? Is that it? Is that the height of our season? We've just lost at home to bloody Leamington and most of y'all are meek and mild about it. Monkey Tennis is so upset that the bed wetting will probably start back up.
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Post by Barney still in B-Block on Dec 28, 2019 23:32:07 GMT
242460,I would never have sacked Beadle. He was apparently a difficult character,but was short-changed by the Board that season.By not backing him we lost the momentum and goodwill of the fans as he was unceremoniously dumped in a shameless way.He was able to bring in players to improve the team when necessary and was never given a fair chance to prove himself. His record deserved full backing from the club but was not forthcoming. Since then we have had a revolving door at Edgar St,and have lost our way.Very sad. In what way do you imagine Beadle was a "difficult character"? And on what basis are you suggesting that was the case? Wembley. There’s more, but isn’t that, on its own, enough?
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Post by Hawkeye on Dec 28, 2019 23:55:56 GMT
In what way do you imagine Beadle was a "difficult character"? And on what basis are you suggesting that was the case? Wembley. There’s more, but isn’t that, on its own, enough? barney, I have the distinct impression that the Wembley thing really bugs you. If only you had mentioned it before.... Yes, of course there's more. But based on what has happened since he and Jenkins were unceremoniously and unexpectedly dumped, I'm buggered if I can see any semblance of improvement in anything. Anything at all. With that I think you would probably agree.
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Post by indefatigabull on Dec 28, 2019 23:57:32 GMT
242460,I would never have sacked Beadle. He was apparently a difficult character,but was short-changed by the Board that season.By not backing him we lost the momentum and goodwill of the fans as he was unceremoniously dumped in a shameless way.He was able to bring in players to improve the team when necessary and was never given a fair chance to prove himself. His record deserved full backing from the club but was not forthcoming. Since then we have had a revolving door at Edgar St,and have lost our way.Very sad. Rather than not being given the chance to prove himself, I would contend that Beadle absolutely proved himself over three seasons. What he wasn't given was the chance to fail. That was taken away from him for some reason.
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Post by Barney still in B-Block on Dec 29, 2019 9:39:21 GMT
Wembley. There’s more, but isn’t that, on its own, enough? barney, I have the distinct impression that the Wembley thing really bugs you. If only you had mentioned it before.... Yes, of course there's more. But based on what has happened since he and Jenkins were unceremoniously and unexpectedly dumped, I'm buggered if I can see any semblance of improvement in anything. Anything at all. With that I think you would probably agree. It did, but I’m parodying myself now. Honest opinion here - Beadle did all that was asked of him in years 1-3, was a good motivator, but I was never convinced that he added all that much else. And he had massive resources relative to the rest, and I’m not convinced that he had the nous or the contacts to succeed at this level. But, the way board treated him was craven. They didn't like him, so gave him a budget that wasn’t realistic, and clearly a lot less than was available - they set him up to fail. This was compounded by the ridiculous set-up that they brought in to replace him. In a nutshell, I doubt that PB would have continued winning divisions, even with the money that his successors were given, but am pretty sure he would have done better than Harris/Richards and Slade with the same budget. And he absolutely had earned the right to have a go. It was personality issues that did for him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 11:50:33 GMT
barney, I have the distinct impression that the Wembley thing really bugs you. If only you had mentioned it before.... Yes, of course there's more. But based on what has happened since he and Jenkins were unceremoniously and unexpectedly dumped, I'm buggered if I can see any semblance of improvement in anything. Anything at all. With that I think you would probably agree. It did, but I’m parodying myself now. Honest opinion here - Beadle did all that was asked of him in years 1-3, was a good motivator, but I was never convinced that he added all that much else. And he had massive resources relative to the rest, and I’m not convinced that he had the nous or the contacts to succeed at this level. But, the way board treated him was craven. They didn't like him, so gave him a budget that wasn’t realistic, and clearly a lot less than was available - they set him up to fail. This was compounded by the ridiculous set-up that they brought in to replace him. In a nutshell, I doubt that PB would have continued winning divisions, even with the money that his successors were given, but am pretty sure he would have done better than Harris/Richards and Slade with the same budget. And he absolutely had earned the right to have a go. It was personality issues that did for him. Also as great as all the players were during the first few seasons I don't buy in to the noises people make about them being better than this lot. These aren't exactly taking the division by storm, but nor would most of the previous lot have. Saying that, where is Oates these days? Wikipedia suggests he has been released by Exeter. Is he no longer playing? You would think he could get a decent game somewhere.
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Post by MAXBULL on Dec 29, 2019 14:06:25 GMT
We can’t keep changing managers all the time we will never get a decent set up doing that. Not to mention the cost.
If it’s still sh!t this time next year, then might be the time to look at it.
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Post by reasonabull on Dec 29, 2019 15:40:31 GMT
We can’t keep changing managers all the time we will never get a decent set up doing that. Not to mention the cost. If it’s still sh!t this time next year, then might be the time to look at it. That's it in a nutshell. You just can't keep sacking managers with all the costs involved.
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Post by Barney still in B-Block on Dec 29, 2019 15:56:13 GMT
We can’t keep changing managers all the time we will never get a decent set up doing that. Not to mention the cost. If it’s still sh!t this time next year, then might be the time to look at it. That's it in a nutshell. You just can't keep sacking managers with all the costs involved. Nonsense. Between 3 and 8 games is clearly the optimal time to bin a manager. In Lanyardovia.
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Post by timmeee on Dec 29, 2019 16:15:45 GMT
In a nutshell, I doubt that PB would have continued winning divisions, even with the money that his successors were given, but am pretty sure he would have done better than Harris/Richards and Slade with the same budget. And he absolutely had earned the right to have a go. It was personality issues that did for him. Very well put and I echo this 100%.
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Post by mikeunderpenyard on Dec 29, 2019 16:51:46 GMT
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Post by 242460 on Dec 29, 2019 17:00:47 GMT
Very fair comment that Barney. I know and understand you were never totally convinced by Beadle but what you say has much rational. Pity those making the decision to sack him did not use some.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 17:09:13 GMT
Beadle was sacked for non-footballing reasons. He didn't particularly fancy the journey "oop" north but reserved the right to have a go if he wanted to.
The sacking of Beadle was one of the biggest own goals of all time. Trouble is the persons who made that decision have also gone. (Thanks for that, lads.)
The only way forward is an injection of money.
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Post by 60s Bull on Dec 29, 2019 17:24:49 GMT
We should have made an offer to Ian Culverhouse last season when he was reported as being unsettled at King Lynn.
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Post by gefod on Dec 29, 2019 17:25:03 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 17:27:15 GMT
Beadle was sacked for non-footballing reasons. He didn't particularly fancy the journey "oop" north but reserved the right to have a go if he wanted to. The sacking of Beadle was one of the biggest own goals of all time. Trouble is the persons who made that decision have also gone. (Thanks for that, lads.) The only way forward is an injection of money.I have £49 of my Christmas money left.
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Post by gefod on Dec 29, 2019 17:33:17 GMT
Beadle was sacked for non-footballing reasons. He didn't particularly fancy the journey "oop" north but reserved the right to have a go if he wanted to. The sacking of Beadle was one of the biggest own goals of all time. Trouble is the persons who made that decision have also gone. (Thanks for that, lads.) The only way forward is an injection of money.I have £49 of my Christmas money left. How many cans of Monkey’s Tesco cider does that buy?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 17:39:31 GMT
I have £49 of my Christmas money left. How many cans of Monkey’s Tesco cider does that buy? Try getting your hands on any of it. Good luck with that. The big Tesco in Belmont, the one in town, Ledbury Rd, even the one on the way to the tip. All completely sold out. Why can't he just enjoy Christmas without having to resort to problem drinking?
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