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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 10:40:52 GMT
500 MPs voted to Remain. Get that into your thick skulls. Who are you talking to? Remainers or Brexiteers? As your comment could be construed as ambiguous. (Because MP’s, mostly, are self-serving Hypothetical Windbags.) There are honourable exceptions. But not many. I speak about the increasingly bruited view that this fiasco can be blamed on Members of Parliament. If 75 per cent of them - with a greater understanding of the implications of leaving Europe - are advising Remain, how, pray, on a much bigger average than 37%, is it their fault? If their constituents were not aware of this advice, again, that is down to their ignorance. Everybody now knows that leaving is complete folly, so on what level is it a cock-up by MPs? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 10:53:46 GMT
Who are you talking to? Remainers or Brexiteers? As your comment could be construed as ambiguous. (Because MP’s, mostly, are self-serving Hypothetical Windbags.) There are honourable exceptions. But not many. I speak about the increasingly bruited view that this fiasco can be blamed on Members of Parliament. If 75 per cent of them - with a greater understanding of the implications of leaving Europe - are advising Remain, how, pray, on a much bigger average than 37%, is it their fault? If their constituents were not aware of this advice, again, that is down to their ignorance. Everybody now knows that leaving is complete folly, so on what level is it a cock-up by MPs?
The referendum was non-binding. If MPs are as cerebral as you suggest, they could have crushed this saga immediately.
Unless they were putting the implications of defying the electorate ahead of the consequences of following through on the CONservative's referendum pledge.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 11:06:38 GMT
Not necessarily "cerebral" but three-quarters of them correct.
They continue to do an excellent job because it hasn't happened.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 11:18:04 GMT
Not necessarily "cerebral" but three-quarters of them correct. They continue to do an excellent job because it hasn't happened.At what cost? Given the colossal amount of money Brexit will apparently cost the economy, the years of politicking against it haven't come cheap either.
And apparently it's worth an extra £2k a year for each and every one of them.
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Post by FASH on Mar 16, 2019 16:27:49 GMT
Who are you talking to? Remainers or Brexiteers? As your comment could be construed as ambiguous. (Because MP’s, mostly, are self-serving Hypothetical Windbags.) There are honourable exceptions. But not many. I speak about the increasingly bruited view that this fiasco can be blamed on Members of Parliament. If 75 per cent of them - with a greater understanding of the implications of leaving Europe - are advising Remain, how, pray, on a much bigger average than 37%, is it their fault? If their constituents were not aware of this advice, again, that is down to their ignorance. Everybody now knows that leaving is complete folly, so on what level is it a cock-up by MPs? Christ. You might punctuate correctly but seriously, I'm starting to believe you ain't got half brain. Generally, you tend hide behind your command of the English language to ridicule others. Beyond that you are very ordinary. |
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Post by MAXBULL on Mar 16, 2019 20:19:01 GMT
 Anyone know if those figures are correct?  |
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Post by colebridgebull on Mar 16, 2019 20:27:25 GMT
Your point being?
No-one disputes the outcome of the referendum (let’s leave aside the issues surrounding how we got there)
The current issue is delivering on that outcome. Once again-Leave won- now the leaders of Leave need to step up and deliver what they promised. If they can’t, they must stand up and face the consequences.
I don’t believe anyone voted to Damage this country.
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Post by mikeunderpenyard on Mar 16, 2019 20:28:39 GMT
Jammo could probably answer that, but I imagine he's currently on the march.
Have they managed to get out of Sunderland yet?
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Post by MAXBULL on Mar 16, 2019 20:31:50 GMT
No-one disputes the outcome of the referendum (let’s leave aside the issues surrounding how we got there) The current issue is delivering on that outcome. Once again-Leave won- now the leaders of Leave need to step up and deliver what they promised. If they can’t, they must stand up and face the consequences. I don’t believe anyone voted to Damage this country. I wasn't making a point, I was just surprised by those figures and wondered if they were true. Sorry.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 20:37:20 GMT
No, good recap there Max.
Only goes to show how traditional party politics have been split, and for me will never "recover".
Probably a good thing; the old school Lab v Tories is dead in the water.
Playground stuff.
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Post by colebridgebull on Mar 16, 2019 20:58:24 GMT
No-one disputes the outcome of the referendum (let’s leave aside the issues surrounding how we got there) The current issue is delivering on that outcome. Once again-Leave won- now the leaders of Leave need to step up and deliver what they promised. If they can’t, they must stand up and face the consequences. I don’t believe anyone voted to Damage this country. I wasn't making a point, I was just surprised by those figures and wondered if they were true. Sorry. No dig from me Max (although I did wonder why you posted the figures at this juncture and noted the grammatically poor comment the original author added) There seems to still be an argument from some that the result must be delivered come what may (sic). As if failing to deliver is in some way thwarting democracy. Surely a true democracy would be entitled to think again once all the consequences of the decision made theee years ago are realised. An inconvenient truth for some no doubt, but I’ve yet to hear a sensible argument against it. |
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Post by Peroni on Mar 16, 2019 20:58:38 GMT
Your point being? No-one disputes the outcome of the referendum (let’s leave aside the issues surrounding how we got there) The current issue is delivering on that outcome. Once again-Leave won- now the leaders of Leave need to step up and deliver what they promised. If they can’t, they must stand up and face the consequences. I don’t believe anyone voted to Damage this country. Not sure pointless May will allow Farage to take her place |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 20:59:32 GMT
I speak about the increasingly bruited view that this fiasco can be blamed on Members of Parliament. If 75 per cent of them - with a greater understanding of the implications of leaving Europe - are advising Remain, how, pray, on a much bigger average than 37%, is it their fault? If their constituents were not aware of this advice, again, that is down to their ignorance. Everybody now knows that leaving is complete folly, so on what level is it a cock-up by MPs? Christ. You might punctuate correctly but seriously, I'm starting to believe you ain't got half brain. Generally, you tend hide behind your command of the English language to ridicule others. Beyond that you are very ordinary. It is indeed humiliating to drink in the same pubs and walk in the same streets as that 37% of the electorate with whom you seem to openly claim some kind of parity. |
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Post by mikeunderpenyard on Mar 16, 2019 21:01:09 GMT
I wasn't making a point, I was just surprised by those figures and wondered if they were true. Sorry. No dig from me Max (although I did wonder why you posted the figures at this juncture and noted the grammatically poor comment the original author added) There seems to still be an argument from some that the result must be delivered come what may (sic). As if failing to deliver is in some way thwarting democracy. Surely a true democracy would be entitled to think again once all the consequences of the decision made theee years ago are realised. An inconvenient truth for some no doubt, but I’ve yet to hear a sensible argument against it. three. Grammatically poor.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 21:03:23 GMT
Christ. You might punctuate correctly but seriously, I'm starting to believe you ain't got half brain. Generally, you tend hide behind your command of the English language to ridicule others. Beyond that you are very ordinary. It is indeed humiliating to drink in the same pubs and walk in the same streets as that 37% of the electorate with whom you seem to openly claim some kind of parity. If you employ an expert for advice, say a solicitor or a surveyor, doesn't mean you have to understand what they are doing. Surely we the population were badly advised/worked over by politicians during the run up to the referendum. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 21:10:56 GMT
It is indeed humiliating to drink in the same pubs and walk in the same streets as that 37% of the electorate with whom you seem to openly claim some kind of parity. If you employ an expert for advice, say a solicitor or a surveyor, doesn't mean you have to understand what they are doing. Surely we the population were badly advised/worked over by politicians during the run up to the referendum. ... which is precisely why I have never been persuaded that democracy is a good thing. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 21:17:49 GMT
I thought "half brain" was a great term, myself. Whether grammatically correct or indeed warranted - not for for me to comment.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 21:33:32 GMT
I thought "half brain" was a great term, myself. Whether grammatically correct or indeed warranted - not for for me to comment. Have always found ordinariness to be somewhat unattainable. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 21:37:34 GMT
I thought "half brain" was a great term, myself. Whether grammatically correct or indeed warranted - not for for me to comment. Have always found ordinariness to be somewhat unattainable. You don't have that problem with bitterness. |
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Post by Peroni on Mar 16, 2019 21:39:09 GMT
Christ. You might punctuate correctly but seriously, I'm starting to believe you ain't got half brain. Generally, you tend hide behind your command of the English language to ridicule others. Beyond that you are very ordinary. It is indeed humiliating to drink in the same pubs and walk in the same streets as that 37% of the electorate with whom you seem to openly claim some kind of parity. Do everyone a favour and stay out of pubs then |
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