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Post by bigglesbull on Aug 14, 2017 9:30:37 GMT
www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.htmlAs far as I see it, either: 1) This latest rise of Nationalism and Billy Big Bollocks will kill us all 2) People will soon reject capitalism, globalisation and social-stratification and will go for a form of chillax'd localism. 3) We are living in a simulation if the world had stayed local we wouldn't have this shite now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 10:13:10 GMT
www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.htmlAs far as I see it, either: 1) This latest rise of Nationalism and Billy Big Bollocks will kill us all 2) People will soon reject capitalism, globalisation and social-stratification and will go for a form of chillax'd localism. 3) We are living in a simulation if the world had stayed local we wouldn't have this #@&te now. "We'll have no trouble here!"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 11:40:10 GMT
www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.htmlAs far as I see it, either: 1) This latest rise of Nationalism and Billy Big Bollocks will kill us all 2) People will soon reject capitalism, globalisation and social-stratification and will go for a form of chillax'd localism. 3) We are living in a simulation if the world had stayed local we wouldn't have this #@&te now. I think you're right. A lot of people can't seem cope with diversity and this causes too many problems. Shut down everything and start again.
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Post by Peroni on Aug 14, 2017 12:07:28 GMT
if the world had stayed local we wouldn't have this #@&te now. I think you're right. A lot of people can't seem cope with diversity and this causes too many problems. Shut down everything and start again. that's always popular
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 11:06:13 GMT
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Post by singe on Oct 14, 2017 20:56:45 GMT
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Post by colebridgebull on Oct 14, 2017 21:03:19 GMT
Nailed on.
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Post by Differentiabull on Nov 4, 2017 13:48:14 GMT
There was a pro-EU rally* in Ledbury this morning. Warmed my heart it did.
* 5 people is a rally, yeah?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2018 14:22:11 GMT
A thought.
If the next GE is in three or four years time a load of coffin dodgers will have shuffled off and all the yoof who were 14 last year will be voting.
A lot of those exiting God's waiting room may well have been Tory voters.
Can't imagine any sane 18 year old voting Tory.
That statistic alone may well be enough to give JC an overall majority - assuming that everyone votes as before and he can get the vote out again.
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Post by eggchaserbull on Feb 26, 2018 15:28:34 GMT
A thought. If the next GE is in three or four years time a load of coffin dodgers will have shuffled off and all the yoof who were 14 last year will be voting. A lot of those exiting God's waiting room may well have been Tory voters. Can't imagine any sane 18 year old voting Tory. That statistic alone may well be enough to give JC an overall majority - assuming that everyone votes as before and he can get the vote out again. It's a nice thought. However, ignoring universal suffrage and reducing the age of majority, isn't that voter demographic the same as all elections that take place after a government has run the full course? Labour has been one of the two major parties in the UK since just after the end of the first world war, and in that best part of a hundred years we have only had 33 years of Labour government Plus, Jeremy Corbyn has now come out in support of a Customs Union with the EU, albeit a customs union with a difference which might just work. Who knows? Like all things brexit it's rather arcane. However, his main support base of the north voted overwhelmingly for Brexit, and I think they may desert him thinking he is now trying to tie us to the EU. Oh what a tangled web..............
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2018 16:01:08 GMT
Can't imagine any sane 18 year old voting Tory.
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Post by Barney still in B-Block on Feb 26, 2018 16:14:22 GMT
A thought. If the next GE is in three or four years time a load of coffin dodgers will have shuffled off and all the yoof who were 14 last year will be voting. A lot of those exiting God's waiting room may well have been Tory voters. Can't imagine any sane 18 year old voting Tory. That statistic alone may well be enough to give JC an overall majority - assuming that everyone votes as before and he can get the vote out again. It's a nice thought. However, ignoring universal suffrage and reducing the age of majority, isn't that voter demographic the same as all elections that take place after a government has run the full course? Labour has been one of the two major parties in the UK since just after the end of the first world war, and in that best part of a hundred years we have only had 33 years of Labour government Plus, Jeremy Corbyn has now come out in support of a Customs Union with the EU, albeit a customs union with a difference which might just work. Who knows? Like all things brexit it's rather arcane. However, his main support base of the north voted overwhelmingly for Brexit, and I think they may desert him thinking he is now trying to tie us to the EU.Oh what a tangled web.............. If we lose a few.... And it simply won't be enough to hand seats over to the Tories, I sincerely doubt. Many of the Tory marginals will fall, albeit a few to the Lib Dems, not necessarily a bad thing in itself. JC has probably done just about the best thing he could have, if he wants the keys to No 10. (Although IF Brexit happens, it's going to take generations to repair the damage, if we ever fully recover. Thanks Cameron, you arrogant, ill-informed, egotistic waste of space.)
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Post by plug6 on Feb 26, 2018 16:15:50 GMT
Can't imagine any sane 18 year old voting Tory. Haha. Your opinion isn't worth a jot. Maggie ruled. Ok?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2018 17:38:34 GMT
It's a nice thought. However, ignoring universal suffrage and reducing the age of majority, isn't that voter demographic the same as all elections that take place after a government has run the full course? Labour has been one of the two major parties in the UK since just after the end of the first world war, and in that best part of a hundred years we have only had 33 years of Labour government Plus, Jeremy Corbyn has now come out in support of a Customs Union with the EU, albeit a customs union with a difference which might just work. Who knows? Like all things brexit it's rather arcane. However, his main support base of the north voted overwhelmingly for Brexit, and I think they may desert him thinking he is now trying to tie us to the EU.Oh what a tangled web.............. If we lose a few.... "loose"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2018 19:54:17 GMT
Another trump card from Corbyn. Derail the Tory Brexit plans. Back negotiating a customs union he knows the other EU members wouldn't agree to WITHOUT concessions like freedom of movement etc. Thus rendering Brexit a total waste of time and money. Its a fair stance to take given that half the country don't want to leave. I'd say significantly more than half don't want to leave now they've seen how this farce is panning out. In the interests of fairness though I've no figures to back up the leave/remain percentage at this juncture. That's the last thing the Tories want at the moment..a statistically significant poll that shows most people now don't want to leave.
Making a right mess of this the Tories. Useless.
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Post by singe on Feb 26, 2018 20:56:32 GMT
Another trump card from Corbyn. Derail the Tory Brexit plans. Back negotiating a customs union he knows the other EU members wouldn't agree to WITHOUT concessions like freedom of movement etc. Thus rendering Brexit a total waste of time and money. Its a fair stance to take given that half the country don't want to leave. I'd say significantly more than half don't want to leave now they've seen how this farce is panning out. In the interests of fairness though I've no figures to back up the leave/remain percentage at this juncture. That's the last thing the Tories want at the moment..a statistically significant poll that shows most people now don't want to leave. Making a right mess of this the Tories. Useless. The tide is definitely turning. Good to see that most Labour voters are overwhelmingly against Brexit. www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/26/britons-favour-second-referendum-brexit-icm-poll
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Post by donkey on Feb 26, 2018 21:17:48 GMT
Another trump card from Corbyn. Derail the Tory Brexit plans. Back negotiating a customs union he knows the other EU members wouldn't agree to WITHOUT concessions like freedom of movement etc. Thus rendering Brexit a total waste of time and money. Its a fair stance to take given that half the country don't want to leave. I'd say significantly more than half don't want to leave now they've seen how this farce is panning out. In the interests of fairness though I've no figures to back up the leave/remain percentage at this juncture. That's the last thing the Tories want at the moment..a statistically significant poll that shows most people now don't want to leave. Making a right mess of this the Tories. Useless. Ooh Jeremy Corbyn! Spent his entire political career campaigning against the EU, then when his Momentum overlords tell him to completely reverse his opinion he meekly does as he's told. theguardian.com/politics/2016/jan/20/labour-eurosceptics-accuse-corbyn-reversing-position-eu-referendum
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Post by sevenoaksbull on Feb 26, 2018 21:23:41 GMT
If I recall correctly, both parties were pretty well represented in both leave and remain campaigns in the referendum, so to pin it all on the Tories is a bit of a stretch. Corbyn and others of the left have always been opposed to Europe too, until they spotted an opportunity to have a pop at an open goal in a bid for power. Lots of traditional Labour voters - ie those from traditional working class backgrounds, not the intellectuals of Momentum - voted out and those that I know still want out. I would no more trust that poll in the Guardian than any other poll; pollsters don’t have a particularly good track record of late, either here or over the pond.
Neither side has ever put forward a coherent argument for their case and that doesn’t appear to be changing anytime soon. The ‘average voter’ is bored with Brexit and would like the Government (whichever party) to deal with things which impact on their daily lives. Things like a woeful shortage of housing, inefficient delivery of health and care services and proper education. Instead what we have are political pygmies on both sides trying to score points off each other and the numpties on social media amplifying the noise in their echo chambers, which the media seem to think is representative. Its not.
Right, feel better now that’s off my chest......
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Post by Monkey Tennis on Feb 26, 2018 21:31:46 GMT
Quite frankly, right now, I'd vote for anyone who pledged to abolish potholes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2018 6:34:09 GMT
If I recall correctly, both parties were pretty well represented in both leave and remain campaigns in the referendum, so to pin it all on the Tories is a bit of a stretch. Corbyn and others of the left have always been opposed to Europe too, until they spotted an opportunity to have a pop at an open goal in a bid for power. Lots of traditional Labour voters - ie those from traditional working class backgrounds, not the intellectuals of Momentum - voted out and those that I know still want out. I would no more trust that poll in the Guardian than any other poll; pollsters don’t have a particularly good track record of late, either here or over the pond. Neither side has ever put forward a coherent argument for their case and that doesn’t appear to be changing anytime soon. The ‘average voter’ is bored with Brexit and would like the Government (whichever party) to deal with things which impact on their daily lives. Things like a woeful shortage of housing, inefficient delivery of health and care services and proper education. Instead what we have are political pygmies on both sides trying to score points off each other and the numpties on social media amplifying the noise in their echo chambers, which the media seem to think is representative. Its not. Right, feel better now that’s off my chest...... Superb post. Absolutely bang on the money.
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